Jun 18, 2010
Aguch Wins 770 Shul
Signs and banners are now expected to be removed from the main 770 shul * by Israel Bardugo

BREAKING: A New York judge has ordered 770 Gabboim to hand over the Shul premises to the Chabad establishment within 30 days.

By COLlive reporter in Crown Heights

A New York judge ordered the Gabboim to hand over the premises of the main shul in 770-788 Eastern Parkway Friday in the Crown Heights section of Brooklyn to Lubavitch World Headquarters.

The Gabboim, representing Congregation Lubavitch Inc., were ordered to transfer the control of the shul to Agudas Chassidei Chabad (Aguch) and Merkos L'inyonei Chinuch, the central organizations the Rebbe established.

Kings County Justice Bernadette Bayne has ruled that the Gabboim "are ordered to deliver possession to Agudas Chassiei Chabad - the 770 premises including that portion of the premises located at 770 Eastern Parkway, Brooklyn, NY used as a synagogue - within 30 days."

And "are ordered to deliver possession to Merkos L'inyonei Chinuch Inc. - the 784-88 premises including that portion of the premises located at 784-88 Eastern Parkway NY used as a synagogue - within 30 days."

Since Gimmel Tammuz 1994, the shul was in control of the messianic group in Crown Heights, proclaiming they believe that the Rebbe is alive on signs and banners and opposed mainstream Chabad attempts to hold their Chassidic gatherings there.

Legal rights over the shul has already been granted to Aguch and Merkos by the now-retired Judge Ira Harkavy over 2 years ago. 3 appeals by the Gabboim have been rejected.

In the court session on Friday, Justice Bayne scolded the Gabboim for not giving over the possession earlier. "You waited for so long and have not done what you've been ordered to do," she said.

Aguch was represented by David Zaslowsky of Baker & McKenzie. Lawyers of the Gabboim said they will be appealing.

Thursday, in a last-minute effort to find a peaceful solution, Crown Heights Rabbi Avrohom Osdoba recommended to the Gabboim to come to a 'Zabla' settlement in a rabbinical court. They have refused.


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Opinions and Comments
1
BH!!!
Good times are coming!
(6/18/2010 1:48:24 PM)
2
Isn't it obvious?
Why weren't the institutions the Rebbe established maintaining control the whole time? Why are there so many fringe groups vying for dominance? The Rebbe set things up in a certain way for a reason.
(6/18/2010 1:49:59 PM)
3
good decision
maybe now 770 wont be such a zoo!
(6/18/2010 1:50:39 PM)
4
wow
great whats next,
(6/18/2010 1:50:48 PM)
5
mazel tov mazel tov!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(6/18/2010 1:51:12 PM)
6
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN IN PRACTICAL TERMS?
(6/18/2010 1:51:13 PM)
7
Didan Notzach !!!
& thanks to Rabbi Osdoba & Rabbi Katzman !!!
(6/18/2010 1:54:13 PM)
8
sooo
sry for my ignorance but r they meshichist or not? and what happens from here?
(6/18/2010 1:55:53 PM)
9
manchester
mazal tov but is anythink gunnu actually change
(6/18/2010 2:01:55 PM)
10
Omg
Didan notzach!!!!!!!!!!!!
(6/18/2010 2:03:26 PM)
11
Whats wrong with u
k u make it sound like the government is demoloshing 770!!! (my name is mister auzborne. im the official from the housing department of new york!)
(6/18/2010 2:04:38 PM)
12
Oh Please dont pull off the signes....
I am far from a Mishachist but I consider myself an anti Extremest!
Puling down the signs will make a fight and will make Moshiach come in a longer time...

instead The People who put it up should take it down, after all the point is to bring Moshiach right?!
(6/18/2010 2:05:21 PM)
13
Why dont they take it to Beis Din???
(6/18/2010 2:05:49 PM)
14
Why appealing?
So they can cause more macholokes, and more yechi signs?
(6/18/2010 2:05:58 PM)
15
Harmony
Why do the new Gabooim need to appeal? Why cant they just try to work peacefully with Agudas Chassidei Chabad and Merkos L'inyonei Chinuch as it looks like Rabbi Osdoba is trying to do as well. I think at this point we all would like to see everyone coming together and working in harmony, who needs the fighting?
(6/18/2010 2:11:07 PM)
16
mazel tov!!!!!!
(6/18/2010 2:14:35 PM)
17
great news
its going to be a great shabbos
(6/18/2010 2:14:42 PM)
18
Here goes again
Which person in their right mind will tell an owner of a building you don't own your basement because I have stolen it from you sixteenyears ago?
(6/18/2010 2:19:31 PM)
19
Great!
Dida Noytzach! Hashem is everywhere!
(6/18/2010 2:19:31 PM)
20
to number 8
They are mainstream Chabad (non mshichist), and it's a great day in Chabad. Boruch Hashem! Dignity may now be restored to the Rebbe's shul.
(6/18/2010 2:21:52 PM)
21
Achdus
Its time to end machlokes and return 770 to a place where The Rebbe's Choizer Reb Yoel can fabreng and Yidden from all groups can fabreng and feel at home.
(6/18/2010 2:26:06 PM)
22
Good News
Lets hope this will mean real change and 770 will go back to the way it once was not a place where everything must be with machlokes.
(6/18/2010 2:27:40 PM)
23
mazel tov
didan notzach
(6/18/2010 2:29:30 PM)
24
Didan Notzach
770 will finally become an official Chabad moisad!
(6/18/2010 2:34:28 PM)
25
wow!
b'h. respect has come to lubavitch!
(6/18/2010 2:36:09 PM)
26
YEAH
maybe now,
we can finally get rid of all the meshichists and ,lets totally forget the rebbe (like your judge said,the rebbes totally irrelevent).
with the new vaad we can finally make sure the community is totally frei.
lets not forget,tznius should be totally forgotten.
we can continue,but just like the arabs they wont be happy till the jews are destroyed,same with the anti's
very good, keep it up!!!
for sure moshiach can come with all the messhichists gone!
unreal how low the community has gone.
and like usual , the poor poeple that need help wont be getting any. atleast the messhichists are gone .
when finally family members will be fighting and killing each other,they might realize something is wrong.
but the ikkur is that the messhichists will be gone
(6/18/2010 2:37:33 PM)
27
sara
Lipsker on volume?
(6/18/2010 2:41:06 PM)
28
DIDAN NOTZACH
now with the messhichists gone,
we can totally forget moshiach,
hahaha
(6/18/2010 2:41:09 PM)
29
not good!!!
how are they going too take down the signs??????
the tzfatim will not let then there will be huge fights and then the riot police are going to have to come ,and then huge chilul hashem and lubavitch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
disaster shebi disaster!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(6/18/2010 2:41:13 PM)
30
770
770 will now become 770!
(6/18/2010 2:41:48 PM)
31
Appealing
BH BH, happy to hear the gabboyim are appealing. I will coninute to be run by the democraticly elected people like the the Rebbe intended.
(6/18/2010 2:43:40 PM)
32
Es Vet Zein Gut!!
Bais Rabeinu should be a place where Yidden or ONLY mekarev to Chassidus and NO ONE is merachek c.v. That is what I believe the Rebbe wants for 770. May it be soon b'darchei noam ubiikir b'sholom. Moshiach Now!
(6/18/2010 2:46:22 PM)
33
this is bad!
i want gerlitzky losh and holtzberg in charge - not krinsky again!
help!
Moshiach now!
(6/18/2010 2:51:46 PM)
34
a new day
This week brings in a new Vaad and a new 770. A kiddush Lubavitch.
(6/18/2010 2:56:23 PM)
35
btw
there were elections so they still are in charge of the shul it just means that merkaz will now have to pay all expenses
(6/18/2010 3:00:05 PM)
36
we will need to have security
whenever there will be a change there will have to have security at least for the first few years until it settles in to the minds of the extremests...then people can slowly start getting back to normal lubavitch ruotine......i guess the next step would be no more tzvatim allowed in 770 then we got to start working on there base in israel....now that is going to be tuff.....yes it will..but if there is a will there is a way...and there is a way...ill be posting some good ideas in the near future..for now mzal tov myaybe i can now see a future remaing lubavitch and bringing up lubavitcher children..thank you rabbi krinsky!!
(6/18/2010 3:04:10 PM)
37
May it all go well
What your telling me rabbi yudel krinsky rabbi avremel shemtov and reb yoel kahn will all be coming downstairs to 770 to farbreng together?

Between you and me people -nothing is going to change. Everything will be the same. The bochrim are all going to be there, the signs are all going to stay up, the minyonim are all going to have yechi after their minyan.

Either way, I just hope and pray - al hatzion - that everyrhing goes extremley well, in a peacefull manner and that at the end of the day - everyone should be filled to their tops, with much happiness and joy!!!
(6/18/2010 3:07:22 PM)
38
hold on chabads coming!!
didan notzach!!!!!
(6/18/2010 3:12:11 PM)
39
no yechi
i think yechi is bitel torah
(6/18/2010 3:22:19 PM)
40
DISGUSTING!
AGREE WITH #33
(6/18/2010 3:28:35 PM)
41
wahoooo!
wait a min here!
1st im happy that s/t is goin right but then im scared for what the signs will do and att 35: u wish merkas is just sitting back and just paying expenses! ha!
but what we rly want is e/o just not be so stubborn and be happpy and do so many more mitzvos that we have moshiach now!!!!!!!
(6/18/2010 3:29:49 PM)
42
Aschaltah Digeulah!!!
This is all in preparation for Moshiach to come, "paving the path" cleaning up 770 from all its accumulated garbage so that the Rebbe can walk in.
(6/18/2010 3:31:50 PM)
43
Didan Notzach !!!
Didan Notzach !!!Didan Notzach Didan Notzach !!!Didan Notzach !!!!!!Didan Notzach !!!Didan Notzach !!!Didan Notzach !!!Didan Notzach Didan Notzach !!!Didan Notzach !!!!!!Didan Notzach !!!Didan Notzach !!!Didan Notzach !!!Didan Notzach Didan Notzach !!!Didan Notzach !!!!!!Didan Notzach !!!Didan Notzach !!!Didan Notzach !!!Didan Notzach Didan Notzach !!!Didan Notzach !!!!!!Didan Notzach !!!Didan Notzach !!!
(6/18/2010 3:34:55 PM)
44
TO #33
YOU FORGET ZALMAN LIPSKIER
(6/18/2010 3:40:25 PM)
45
Cohen
The pain is just unbearable - chassidim fighting each other like cat and mice (although I don't know who's the cat).

Besides I'm afraid moshiach might be coming soon.
(6/18/2010 3:41:19 PM)
46
to #26
true, this is not the final step to bring moshiach, but getting those extreme messianics out of 770 is for sure a step in the right direction
(6/18/2010 3:52:16 PM)
47
Send the tzfasim back to tzfas
Enough with the flags Enough with the crazies
Lets turn a shul back into a mokom kodoish and a covod for the rebbe and lubavitch
(6/18/2010 3:52:40 PM)
48
L.A.
"CHEVRE, WE HAVE IT"
(6/18/2010 3:58:57 PM)
49
We All Lose!!!
This premature celebrating doesn't seem to end with all of you wackos.
Every time one side wins the other side appeals.
do you really think this is going to end?
and even if it does, do you really think it will end well?
I guess all you guys care about, is the fight itself and not the end result.
This is getting really pathetic.
Meanwhile the world Laughs as Chabad the best of the best, make utter fools of themselves.
(6/18/2010 3:59:38 PM)
50
yes I agree with #33
This is no Didan Notzach at all! just going to cause more Machlokes, And a goyish judge shouldn't have the power to say what will be with 770.
(6/18/2010 4:06:06 PM)
51
whats with the signs
why is such a big deal to take down the yechi sign? i know meshechist scream yechi whenever and wherever and all but why would they make a big deal about taking down this sign? do they NEED to have in front of their eyes 24/7???is it an aveira not to see or say yechi constantly???
it became so ridiculous its embarassing!
and at least now, fry people will come in 770 and see a proper, organised shul fit for the Rebbe's shul!!
(6/18/2010 4:07:35 PM)
52
TO #39
90% OF THE LEARNING NOWADAYS IS BITUL TORAH, IF YOUR NOT LEARNING FROM IT.
READING DONT MEAN NOTHING IF YOU DONT TAKE THE MASSEH BPOEL
(6/18/2010 4:08:08 PM)
53
TO #45
BUT IF YOU DESTROY THE MESSICHISTS, ITS WORTH IT
ATLEAST THATS WHAT THE ANTI'S R FEELING AND SAYING
CAN YOU IMAGINE THEY HAVE A FAMILY MEMBER R"L THAT BELIEVES IN THE REBBE,THEY WILL TRY TO KILL HIM ALSO
ATLEAST IT WILL BE WORTH IT , IN THEIR EYES!!
(6/18/2010 4:10:23 PM)
54
DIDAN NOTZACH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
s'past for shnas 770!!!! tell all the meshichistim to go back to pakistan!!!!!
(6/18/2010 4:11:33 PM)
55
CHT
Ppl, what are you talking about, we were just electing gaboim altogether.
(6/18/2010 4:13:49 PM)
56
MAZALTOV!!
DIDAN NOTZACH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(6/18/2010 4:21:22 PM)
57
CHT
also, I don't know how long you guys live in crown heights, but do you remember 770 before these gaboim - the ceilings and walls, the bathrooms, the repair. I just don't get it we all agreed to rosenberg psak and fair election and now everybody happy gabboim to be thrown out - only two of which are meshichistim - but all 4 properly elected.
(6/18/2010 4:34:12 PM)
58
Just in time for camp!
All the signs can now be removed and distributed to all the camps for color war.
(6/18/2010 4:37:39 PM)
59
Elchonon Hellinger
#54,
Your comment sums up your ignorant blatant hate.. please stay in your ignorant hate filled cave.. we are all jews, and although i'm not a fan of the yellow flags, I stand with Rabbi Dani Cohen extending ahavas yisrael to every jew of every stripe.

(6/18/2010 4:45:33 PM)
60
this pulls away moshiach
770 was fine till now theres going t be a riot
(6/18/2010 4:48:52 PM)
61
whats with osdoba
didnt rosenberg say that osdoba and shwei have to sign together
(6/18/2010 4:50:43 PM)
62
to # 28 MASHCHISIM not Meshichists
MASHCHISIM not Meshichists & they have nothing to do with the Rebbe they follow mendy hendel their rebbe shlita. They sing when he walks in they make him a shvil. Let them enjoy it but not in 770!
(6/18/2010 4:55:22 PM)
63
WOW
WATS NEW. NOW THEY WILL APEALL AND THE HOLE THING IS GONNA START OVER AGAIN. BUT FOR NOW MAZEL TOV!
(6/18/2010 4:56:32 PM)
64
zabla
I bet the Gabboim are wishing they'd listened and gone to a zabla earlier...
(6/18/2010 4:59:33 PM)
65
Great job!!!
Great job Rabbi Y.Y. Katzman and ....
Your friend from out of town.
(6/18/2010 5:04:47 PM)
66
TO EVERYONE WHO IS ANTI MISHICHIST
Do you know that my family in mishachist and i went to Detroit camp? Did everyone tease me abt it nooooo. So i think here to if some people want the sign then let them have it.
(6/18/2010 5:06:13 PM)
67
Laaniyas Dayti
The following issues appear to need clarification if not legislation and institution:

1. There appears to be no question as to who has legal ownership and title of 770. If a new shul (a la Yossel Motchkin's spirited address before the elections - $60-70 million...) The Krinsky et al title holders need to be the ones in charge.

2. Legal ownership comes with liabilities (marbeh nechasim marbeh...). Loy Oleinu, haSatan mekatreg beshaas hasakana. Hazardous conditions (abysmal fire-exit allowance) create a "shaas hasakana". Who is liable Lo veloy oleinu, should the disastrous fire safety conditions on Yomim Noraim (wooden fences closing in rows of mispallelim is the icing on the cake...) - enough said. Who will cop the blame and the liability? Lame gabboim who only own aliyah-rights, or corporations that own property? The gaboyim don't even have the right to choose who davens at crucial times (like the 1st night selichos which is arguably the largest attendance of the year, and the baal-tefilla is an old man with a weak voice - at what stage does a voice become TOO weak? At final internment or before?)

3. Is the Beis Din the Beis Din of Crown Heights? Rabbi Osdoba's letterhead says yes. Then the Beis Din has jurisdiction on all shuls - why just 770? The rabonim should be visiting all shuls. Or are they just the beis din of Congregation Lubavitch Crown Heights? Do they move out with the crowd?

4. So now a judge has ordered eviction. Let's imagine that the Cong.LCH moves out - how many people will follow? How many will stay and daven with the "new" administration? Will the mispallelim have a say in gaboyim, baalei tfilla etc? Will the dangerous conditions continue in Tishrei?

5. Everyone seems to be looking out for the new 3rd rov and his position in this mix. Some feel that a strong independant is needed. How can that be if he needs to have the approval of one of the current rabbonim? Why wasn't it worded that he needs to have the approval of one of them OR of Rabbi Rosenberg? Some seem to think thsat Rabbi Osdoba will run a candidate. If so won't Rabbi Shei? The pendulm still has much kinetic energy and could swing for decades, but worse, it a recipe for finding the lowest possible threat to either - and that bar would need to be low..

6. How is it possible that to become a dayan in Crown Heights one needs to transgress the halacha of not seeking such a position (Hilchos Dayanim.)? Are there any "strong" "independent" "reliable" and/or of suitable image for this community which is internationally considered the Lubavitch core? One doesn't hear names yet.

7. Perhaps a system of referendums needs to be implemented to establish certain trends in the shchunah (perhaps requiring super-majority on major issues.)
(6/18/2010 5:09:50 PM)
68
Nothing will change
As someone who spent many years with the Tzfatim in 77,0 I can guarantee that nothing will change even if Aguch takes over 770. The tzfatim will fight to death to keep every sign up. This is Yehrag Ve'al Yavoor for them and nothing will change their belief. We all remember when aguch changed the plaque and they hired security, they still couldn't control the Tzfatim. They will come in middle of the night to put every sign back up and they are much stronger and more violent then any security team Aguch hires. I can promise you that if Aguch takes down any sign or Perochas they will put up much bigger and even more signs then what they have now.
(6/18/2010 5:10:03 PM)
69
Mazal tov!! Achdus
now 770 will look beautiful!! All the people that daven in the Rebbe's room will come down. They'll have their gaboim running the shul.. THE TZFATIM WILL SING YICHI WITH ALL THEIR CHAYUS.

This is true Achdus!!!
(6/18/2010 5:11:50 PM)
70
Superior to you?
Why is it that meshichists blame the "frying out" of the younger generation on the non-meshichists (who by definition need to be anti-meshichists)?

Don't they realize that the young and smart are just not buying "we are waiting for the resurrection"? It is the extreme narrowing of the broadest hashkafa in yiddishkeit that Chabad is. and they don't get it?

They must know something we plain ole chassidishe folks don't. Or else they are BP's (boymel pi..ers) a condition that needs to remain secreted.
(6/18/2010 5:17:32 PM)
71
many times
I heard this "didan notzach" many many times, and 770 remains the same
another appeal, another appeal,
BH,Moshiach will come before any changes
(6/18/2010 5:28:32 PM)
72
I agree...Didan Notzach!
With everyone who says expel the Tsfatim-Mosrim-liars-Thugs. I just hope Aguch actually does it this time.

#11 I really do believe you work for the City. You are certainly illiterate enough.
(6/18/2010 5:34:04 PM)
73
correction in the article
you write that they've been in charge since gemmel tammuz 1994, the truth is they only had the chutzpa to fight against the rebbe and make elections for gaboyim a year after gimmel tammuz when they forcefully through out the gaboyim who were there for many years.
(6/18/2010 5:35:44 PM)
74
signs
the yechi sign was up before gimmel tammuz but i guess there are new people who who run chabad thank god the tvatim will be thrown out now noone will think about the rebbe now
(6/18/2010 5:37:53 PM)
75
To #29
Are you proposing that we let the Tzfatim do whatever they want? Do you realize that those signs in 770 have been causing a Chillul Lubavitch for as long as anyone can remember?

Don't believe it? Stick around Vosizneias.com for a bit, read some of the comments, you're bound to bump into quite a few critical comments on Lubavitch and their "Yechi signs".

The Tzfatim have been doing so many crazy things in 770 in the past few years, that people have become (nebach) immune to the insanity. The Shvil, the yellow pins and flags...


(6/18/2010 5:58:03 PM)
76
Green Tea
Oh Please- Can 770 be normal again?

People , look around. 90 percent of AMERICAN yungermen daven OUT of 770 on shabbos.

770 has become a shul for foreigners.

(6/18/2010 6:06:20 PM)
77
mazel tov!
get the crazy tzfatis out!
(6/18/2010 6:10:24 PM)
78
TIME OUT!
We should all read this before farther comment!
http://collive.com/show_news.rtx?id=9445&alias=the-anatomy-of-machlokes
(6/18/2010 6:19:35 PM)
79
BORUCH HASHEM
MAZEL TOV THIS IS GREAT NEWS THE REBBE IS PROUD
(6/18/2010 6:37:41 PM)
80
discusting
I am sorry guys but some of your commens are really discusting. Such a hatred. Where is your achavas Israel? I think for you it died with the Rebbe as well as any other responsibility. Good Shabos.
(6/18/2010 6:47:56 PM)
81
so now?
770 will actually be normal place where one can daven in?
will the place not look like color war???
(6/18/2010 7:20:13 PM)
82
WOW
Will you all now leave and don't let the door hit your backside! Yup all the shtarke chassidim of the rebbe whom have been alienating and embarrasing chabad to no end.
Ye ye we know they love us either way - well you know what? enuff is enuff!
(6/18/2010 7:20:17 PM)
83
What Didan Natzach !!! Enormous Chilul Hashem
Veoivecho Pelilim is a Klolo
Not going to Zablo and going to Erkous is the biggest Chilul Hashem.
Some Tipshim compare this to Seforim Case Every one knows that the Rebbe tried to go to a din Torah. In this case no din torah was an option only Court. So whats all the singing and dancing we should all cry on the tremendous Chilul Hashem.
(6/18/2010 7:22:36 PM)
84
nauseous
It's absolutely sickening to see how people who blame the machlokes on the "messianics" speak about fellow yidden. Shame on you!
(6/18/2010 7:23:54 PM)
85
mazel tov
mazal tov times 100000000.......................................................................................................................
(6/18/2010 7:25:10 PM)
86
why?
Does the gabai not listen to R Ozdoba and drop the court case?
(6/18/2010 7:50:05 PM)
87
oy oy oy
reading some of these comments made me cry!!
Whether you think you are right or wrong it doesn't matter. What matters is RESPECT!!! How dare you talk to another Jew like that!
This doesnt seem like a Didan Notzach for the Rebbe, it seems more like a personal war.

TO NUMBER 54:
I cant believe you can talk to other Jews like that!!!??? Do you know how many Jews are dying in Eretz Hakodesh for our country and you call it Pakistan? What are these Jews like bugs to you?!!
If everything you do is Because the Rebbe or for the Rebbe, then maybe think for a second about what you just said.....and would the Rebbe back you up on that. The Rebbe said countless times that as soon as the you deviate from the Meshaleachs path you are no longer connected like before and you loose your title as a shliach.
(6/18/2010 7:50:56 PM)
88
mazal tov!
diana notzach! boruch shehecheyanu...lazeman haze!
(6/18/2010 8:01:37 PM)
89
boruch hashem. achdus!!!
yechi sgn should stay up, taking them down, will cause more fights.
(6/19/2010 5:06:03 AM)
90
FROM A YOUNG CHABAD BOCHUR that is very hurt.
I have recently lost a loved one and had many people tell me "oy what a bitter golus" and "lets hope moshiach comes very soon..." and seeing this is very very hurtful how people go back to the same machlokes and hate towards another jew which only makes our bitter golus longer and a longer wait for me to be reunited with the family member whom I really miss.

All this machlokes is just disgusting!!!

All it does is HARM to EVERYONE!!!

STOP with all the HATE!!!!

Dont forget why the beis hamikdosh was destroyed!!!

Yidden are getting distracted on what the MAIN and MOST IMPORTANT "BASIS" of the TORAH is... AHAVAS YISROEL!!!

do YOU really want moshiach??? do you really care???

Yidden are suffering tremendously from this bitter golus!!! we have lost TOO MANY special NESHAMOS very very recently, before their time!!!

HOW MANY MORE KORBONOS DO WE NEED CH"V?!?!?!

STOP THIS MACHLOKES AND SINAS CHINAM!!!!






(6/19/2010 5:38:36 PM)
91
# 88 is definately not a Lubavitcher
First of all it is Didan Notzach NOT Diana Notzach!!!!
Next no real Lubavitcher says lazman hazeh but says lizman hazeh!!!
(6/19/2010 6:41:06 PM)
92
why oh why?
Why can't the gabboyim just work together with the Aguch.
whoever heard of Gabboyim being the owners premises like shuls educationa;l institutions?
There must be a governing body with experinece in leadership, business acuman, integrity and transparency, If the Aguch have it, then they are the clearly the ones who should be in control.
It seems that the mainstream want the Aguch to be in charge,
(6/19/2010 7:39:21 PM)
93
ahavas yisroel
i agree all this lack ahavas yisroel is ridiculous
the rebbe's last messsage was achdus and ahavas yisroel for ecaxtly this reason.
how can u consider yourself a true lubavitcher, a true shliach of the rebbe if you (maybe) have ahavas yisroel for fry people, for people in your chabad house but not for your fellow lubavitcher chossid!
to love another not because of how much he has, what last name he has, what advantage can you get by being friendly with him no to love a fellow jew because he is a jew, just because he has a neshama!!!!
SINAS CHINAM WAS THE CAUSE OF THE DESTRUCTION OF THE BESI HAMIKDASH and now people are arguing and there are so many machlokes mamash in 770!!!!!
yes, we all have diffrent opinions and diffrent views on things, yes, we dont all agree with evryone but we all have diffrent ways of serving hashem, the important thing is to have ahavas yisroel and respect for one another.
i know its not easy, but i dont understand how people can call themselves true chassidim when they put down other people because they think diffrently then others.
why does it say that a farbrengen can do more than malach michoel?? because there is nothing that can give more pleasure to hashem than to see his children be' achdus!!
put ure pride and ure thoughts aside for a little bit.
you will never find someone with the same thoughts like you, with the same machshava, the same ideas on evrything.
u cant make a war out of evrything, if evrybody works hand in hand together, maybe moshiach will finally come, we will no longer have to suffer and argue.
but people need to open their eyes....
im just a teenager writting all this and i dont understand how there is such a big lack of achdus and ahavas yisroel in our own community, in what the rebbe fought for...
what hapened to to love a fellow jew just the same as you its the basis of the holy torah???
PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH
(6/19/2010 10:42:58 PM)
94
huh?
to 20: mainstream chabad is mishichist and does say yechi
to 26: shkoyach
to 46: bored!
(6/19/2010 11:03:39 PM)
95
Huh? Please explain
Can someone explain what this means in plain English?
(6/19/2010 11:04:59 PM)
96
OIFEN HAMISKABEL
These two words that the Rebbe stressed have been completely forgotten in this debate. If you want to sway people to your way of thinking you have to take stock of where they're holding and act accordingly. . Many,many perople daven in 770 for many reasons and you cannot hit them over the head with one sided ideology.
770 doesn't just belong to one group. People who need to "kop:" a mincha don't have time to enter into dialogue with anyone assuming there is someone to talk to. All they do is see the signs and walk away thinking everyone is crazy..
(6/19/2010 11:36:08 PM)
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an outsiders view
I love chabad and all their rebbes and their history their torah and their niggunim . I love so many things about your chassidus and i'll just tell you all that those signs snd the whole yechi thing is such a turnoff to so many jews. i've been to 770 a bunch of times in recent years and I walk out sad. it looks like a camp color war dining room and it's definately a chilul chabad and their rebbes. this goofa is a cause of machlokes with the greater jewish world and this is coming from a genuine chabad lover (not shitchiyusly, but I actually read your rebbes maamorim and learn tanya). this is a real problem that maybe your already used to, but just try to imagine how it seems to an average frum outsider. hopefully rabbi krinsky and other reasonable smart people will make the shul into the kiddush hashem it once was. it will definately cause achdus in ganz klal yisrael (i'll share one sad story that those signs and yechi shita causes. I was speaking to a respectable rav who doesn't have an ounce of sinas chinam in his body, and in our conversation I mentioned that I was in 770 and he told me he doesn't want to hear about it and I need to dip in a mikva. that's an examle of how it turns people off from chabad)
(6/20/2010 12:31:12 AM)
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"chosid" to all the antis!!
you are an embarrement to lubavitch and yidishkeit!
when will u learn the rebbes sichos!
YECHI ADONINU MORAINU V'RABEINU MELECH HAMOSHIACH LEOLAM VOED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(6/20/2010 12:33:26 AM)
99
to 98 Your an embarrassment
(6/20/2010 1:03:32 AM)
100
to 11
is that
YAL"M from wisconsin?
(6/20/2010 1:16:04 AM)
101
STOP THE HATRED!!!
Why is it that all the spiteful remarks seem to be coming from one direction?
Why is there so much pent-up discontentment, negativity and raw hatred on the part of the Didan Notzacch crowd?
Why do the haters claim to be concerned with the good of Lubavitch, when it is their very hatred that is destroying Lubavitch and making it LíLag Vakeles?
The young generation (to its amazing credit) is not turned-off by Mishichisten or the signs in 700, as the Didan Notzachniks would have us believe, but rather by the poisonous hatred and intolerance coming from the Notzachniks. JUST LISTEN TO WHAT THEY ARE SAYING!!!
This form of intolerance and good old fashion bigotry is antithetical to all that the Rebbe and Lubavitch stands for, even our kids know itís wrong.
For the good of our children and for the good of Lubavitch, the hate which is garbed BíItztele DíKddusha, is got to stop, it is un-Jewish, it is against the Rebbeís explicit teachings, and most of all it is old and Passéí
If you need therapy, go for therapy. If you need a Mashpia, get yourself a Mashppia but itís time to get rid of the chip on your shoulder and STOP THE HATRED!!!
(6/20/2010 1:23:06 AM)
102
down with the signs out with the turkeys
(6/20/2010 1:35:40 AM)
103
What Is THIS???
What is with the Didan Natzach? which court case did you win? againts another jew - who thinks a little different than you? the whole crown height voted for 4 people, i don't get where kurinsky comes in???
(6/20/2010 2:06:39 AM)
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See the bigger picture!!
If you think Moshiach etc. -even the most extreme- is more merachek than the miusse pirud, then you're all 'ego' & no brains.
(6/20/2010 2:35:45 AM)
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Baruch ata ... Shecheyanu
This is a rescue from the from the worst klipah ever to threat lubavitch and all that the Rabbeim worked for all the years,

What a special day
(6/20/2010 2:45:47 AM)
106
Who's been against a Din torah/Zabla all along?!
(6/20/2010 2:45:58 AM)
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sheina
i cant believe this is happening again! so much hatered...for what? the whole world is against the jews, and us lubavitchers who should be a shinning example have to fight all the time between our own selves?? i might just be 17 but maybe thats why it hurts me soo much. I see people who claim to be the rebbes chassidim, these people can be my parents or teachers and now to see you guys like this is a low blow.
I cant believe it.................we have enough troubles as it is, so many innocent people are dying what more do u old people need as a wake up call!!! Just stop...if you have nothing nice to say then dont say it at all, thats what you teach me
and maybe just for a day practice what you preach and then dont go around asking why teenagers fry out..........maybe because we seek the truth and to many of us you guys all seem like faking liars!!!!
I know i should be used to this by now but every time I am pained again!!!
(6/20/2010 2:48:49 AM)
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# 98
thats exactly the perfect example of what meshechist do:
THEY IMPOSE THEIR IDEAS ON OTHERS !
YOU SUFFOCATE PEOPLE WITH YOUR FLAGS, YOUR HUGE YECHI SIGNS, YOUR CARS PAINTED WITH YECHI ON IT AND YOU SINGING IT EVERYWHERE.
BELIVE IT WHAT YOU BELIVE IN.FINE.
BUT DONT IMPOSE IT ON THE REST OF US IT JUST TURNS PEOPLE OFF.
SERIOUSLY.
(6/20/2010 3:07:21 AM)
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How to deal with violent squatters, achdus not the issue
This is the main question.
If some violent squatters take over your home while you have been on vacation and put up signs in your house, you would not hesitate to get a court order and police help to remove these unhealthy fundamentalists.

It would be absurd to even listen to those telling you "You must be at peace with the squatters".

Once all appeals are over, Aguch will need to use lots of GUTS to implement the retaking (not takeover) of what was hijacked for 16 years. They may be threats, but we can't give in to Mafia/blackmailing. If it's yours than police force & security may needed for years to come.

The main point: we are dealing with illegals/squatters.
It doesn't have to mean I don't love them as Jews. But it also doesn't mean that I am ready to lose my home! = 770
(6/20/2010 3:40:42 AM)
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Question to all the yechi yodelers?
Where does it say in Siddur Tehilas Hashem Yechi?
It doesn't,therefore you have no right to tamper with the nusach that the Alter Rebbe was misaken.
Next why is it that at every possible moment ie.after every aliyah after chatzi kaddish of krias hatorah,after yehalelu & taking the torah back to the aron koidesh,between yayechulu & savri maranan of kiddush yechi must be said?
Do you all say yechi after asher yotzar or before or after tasmish al hamita or before?
The whole mantra business is getting sickening & is making a galechter from Lubavitch!!!!

No Yechi in 770,
A disgusted chosid in Yerushalayim Ir HaKoidesh
(6/20/2010 3:48:48 AM)
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DONT BE ANTI MESHICHIST
we are all jews, we all want moshiach,
dont take down the signs, the problem has already settled, taking down the signs will renew the problems!
(6/20/2010 4:51:36 AM)
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To 109
You got it right to the point
(6/20/2010 6:47:11 AM)
113
Enough tragedies. Enough defying the Rebbe.
Does anyone remember 19 kislev, nun gimel??
Did anyone learn or see the video of sichas motzoei shabbos p. teruma, tov shin mem ches (the PUBLIC tzava'a of the Rebbe)??
(6/20/2010 7:52:27 AM)
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to 111
those signs have done more damage to the work of all the rabbeim than anything else!
They has turned 770 into a circus. and have been merachek 10's of thousands from chassidus and Lubavitch. Dare I say that those signs are the very reasons Moshiach is not here today.
(6/20/2010 8:30:13 AM)
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Shmuel
We must put the sighns in 770 to a vote. At the next election in ch we should put this question on the form.

Do want the yechi sighns in 770 on the wall or off the wall.

Then you will see what the rebbes chassidim of ch really want.
(6/20/2010 8:48:13 AM)
116
Didan Notzach!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There's a Yom Tov 16 Adar (5766), there was a Yom Tov Chai Teves (5768), and nothing happened. Now, there's a Yom Tov Vov Tammuz, and - B'Ezras Hashem - Aguch and Merkoz will take over 770 (and I won't have to prevent myself from being there daily between 9:56 - 11:00 AM, 3:11 - 3:45 PM and: winter: 6:41 - 7:15 PM; summer: 9:26 - 10:00 PM). AD MOSSAI!!! AD MOSSAI!!! AD MOSSAI!!!
(6/20/2010 11:05:36 AM)
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Fights in CH
I'm a non-Meshichist Lubavitcher (I don't like saying "anti" because I'm not against someone but against their IDEAS) but I have no problem with those who say Yechi (as far as they do not force us to say it) and don't remember that the Yechi signs were placed before the eyes of the Rebbe and the Rebbe never asked to remove them. If Yechi was a problem, the Rebbe would have asked to remove it. However, the Rebbe has NEVER asked to remove the signs and did not protest when thousands of Chassidim sang the words of Yechi in his presence. I was there at that time in 770 and we sang it EVERYDAY in the presence of the Rebbe. Yechi was sang almost everywhere in the world. Since Guimmel Tammuz 5754, many Lubavitchers (including me) don't say it anymore. We may not agree with the Meshichisten, but how do you intend to forbid them from saying something that the Rebbe himself didn't ban during his lifetime? You can tell them everything, but one thing that everyone knows: the Rebbe had allowed to sing Yechi and to exhibit Yechi signs in the 770. Kfar Chabad also exhibited Yechi signs. Even in disagreeing with this, Yechi banners are part of Chabad folklore since the Rebbe has authorized them in the Shul. When I see a banner on which is printed the words of Yechi, it reminds me of the time we would have merited the redemption in the Rebbe's lifetime but we missed the rendez-vous. And it reinforces my desire to see Moshiach coming immediately, no matter who will be Moshiach. Believe me, this decision to give the 770 shul to R. Krinsky will not help the situation of Lubavitch. And be assured, the response is likely to be virulent and many people will not let this happen. And honestly, these days, everyone could see that the problems between Meshichiten and non-Meshichisten were settling, thinks were cooling down. This decision is a step backwards. This is a poisoned apple. Nobody wants this. Please!!!!
(6/20/2010 11:17:55 AM)
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To 103
You ask
"What is with the Didan Natzach? which court case did you win . . . againts another jew - who thinks a little different than you?"
I seem to recall a court case in the late eighties that was against another Jew vda"l
(6/20/2010 11:37:09 AM)
119
A new sign
is it too much to hope that the offending sign will be replaced with one featuring a quote from the one and only R' Yisroelik Shemtov, namely "Dis iz not a chicken market!"
(6/20/2010 12:24:50 PM)
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Encourage everyone to READ comment #97
This is what it should be ALL about. Divarim Yotzim Min Halev. This special "outsider" as he calls himself will IYH be an INSIDER if Rabbi Krinsky and Rabbi Shemtov will be succesful in transforming 770 to beLikovod the Rebbe and ONLY mekarev a Yid to chassidus and not the opposite c.v. To #97 You are learning the Rebbes sichos and mamorim you are already the Rebbes a chosid!
(6/20/2010 1:43:06 PM)
121
wow
thats alot of opinions!!!!
(6/20/2010 2:20:54 PM)
122
A story
I attended a wedding where Yechi was sung by a close relative of the Choson or Kalaha's side. During the singing a bochur brought over with a Moshiach flag to liven up the dancing.
The one singing Yechin motioned with his hand to take a away the Moshiach flag. The bochur got the message and took away the Moshiach flag. As he was leaving with the Moshiach flag a guest at the wedding who did not look even one bit frum came over and grabbed the Moshiach flag and danced enthusiastically with the Moshiach flag! B"H he was left alone and allowed to dance with this Moshiach flag undisturbed.
(6/20/2010 2:25:40 PM)
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#122
Nice story (honestly) but did you consider perhaps the other hundreds of guests that may have been turned off about Moshiach or Lubavitch?!
(6/20/2010 3:06:53 PM)
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to 123
what about the people turned off from m,i hu yihudi
(6/20/2010 3:17:41 PM)
125
i agree!
go #93
(6/20/2010 3:46:37 PM)
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to 26
way to go i agree with you one hundred %
there needs to be achdus among us lubavitchers
its enough !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(6/20/2010 7:00:09 PM)
127
well said #93
very well said # 93
if more people thought like you, moshiach would be here.
(6/20/2010 7:32:10 PM)
128
bittul torah
youre all bored with nothing to do with your life just writing terrible things and saying how terrible it is, hatred, vichulu
you think it interests people what you thing about mishichistim? "i think" and "i agree" and "thats not nice" are all stupid!
dont even say "youre not speaking with ahavas yisroel" or
"this is not the way chassidim talk!"
get off internet and find a life
(6/20/2010 8:57:57 PM)
129
mishichist
how can u take down sighns that the rebbe saw with his own eyes and didnt take them down do u realy think the rebbe didnt know what the future was going to be???????????!!!!!!!!
(6/20/2010 10:22:51 PM)
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#128
ure funny
u found the time to read all these comments and criticize what we should say or not say....
ure telling US were speaking with hatred?
wow...when you point your finger at someone theres three fingers pointing back at you
(6/21/2010 12:45:22 AM)
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achdus/richuk
2 points
1: Just last week everyone was talking about achdus, there's nothing that can bring a bigger fight then doing what most people here are suggesting.
2:It's not the Yechi that's merachek yidden. What is merachek more yidden then anything else is when they hear about Lubavitchers fighting with themselves.
(6/21/2010 3:17:53 AM)
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wow
130 comments
(6/21/2010 3:54:51 AM)
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To number 107: Totally agree
Its funny because im also a teen and I can totally relate to what youre saying. sometimes i feel like lubavitch is just one big joke, with people saying one thing and doing another!!
(6/21/2010 4:26:52 AM)
134
GO 93 GO!!!
Right on 93. Well Said!!!
(6/21/2010 10:34:54 AM)
135
Achdus
While there is never an excuse for sinas Chinim letting injustice and bizayon go does not contribute to Achdus just resentment. Its time Reb Yoel Kahn should be able to come down in 770 to fabreng without being disturbed. We must always love our fellow Yid that does not mean we should tolerate behavior which goes against our holy Torah and our Rebbeim such as disrepect for Rabbonim and causing a Chilul Lubavitch. 770 is The Rebbe's shul not a place to put up signs which cause divishion and make many people uncomfertable. May we have true Sholom with the coming of Moshiach Takef u'miyad.
(6/22/2010 1:15:26 AM)
136
????????????
where were all of you guys who are bashing moshiachistim and yechi etc. in 1992, 1993, 1994???
why didn't you tell the rebbe then - that he should order the signs be taken down immediately?
wasn't it a chillul hashem then also, just like now?
why was everything "ok" then, but now, you have problems with it?
if it is a chillul hashem now, it surely must have been a chillul hashem then too? what made it "kosher" then?
if something was "disrespectful" why did you keep your mouth shut and not say a word in protest?
(6/22/2010 11:42:54 PM)
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to 136
Don't we say, Better late than never???
(6/24/2010 1:33:49 AM)
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INTELLIGENT PERSON
HOW IS R. Rubashkin supposed to pay millions of dollars if he's in prison. Maybe they'll should let him out to make some money to pay it off. Linda Reade obviously has no intelligence. You can't have it both ways linda.

Friends please visit this site:

http://www.therobingroom.com/Judge.aspx?ID=1305

scroll down and read how unpopular she was even years before the Rubashkin trial. Also please post a comment. Maybe we'll all band together and someone will take notice that she is less useful as a judge than a dead pig.
(6/24/2010 1:52:22 PM)
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