Feb 6, 2019
A Public Letter to the Rabbonim

Entrepreneur and philanthropist David Schottenstein responds to 2 Crown Heights rabbis who banned the women's MicDrop. Update: Mr. Schottenstein clarifies his message.

To the esteemed Rabbonim of the Beth Din of Crown Heights,

Earlier today a letter that the Beth Din put out publicly was widely circulated on multiple social media channels and published on Jewish news websites regarding the Rabbonim’s opposition to an event featuring women speakers called Wonder Women by a Jewish owned startup called MicDrop.

For the Rabbonim to form an opinion regarding this event in response to a halachic inquiry on whether attendance is permissible or not is completely understandable. What is so perplexing, and more troubling is how is it possible that this question deserved such a vociferous response, a response that will no doubt negatively impact MicDrop’s Jewish business owners (who I might add, give frequently and generously to the Rebbe’s mosdos)?

There are fires burning throughout our community, fires which are consuming and destroying innocent lives in Chabad and frum communities both locally in Crown Heights and throughout the world and we have heard absolutely nothing from the Beth Din. Deafening silence.

Sexual abuse has been rampant for decades in our schools, camps and yeshivos, abuse that has led to excessive drug use, mental health issues and even suicide in a number of cases and yet there have been exactly zero letters publicly published and circulated by the Beth Din. This is akin to a country facing a severe drought and famine and instead of its leaders figuring out how to feed their starving citizens they choose to spend their time dealing with an issue like the rampant running of yellow lights or figuring out how to get people to stop littering.

I was recently at our community kaporos event here in Bal Harbour, Florida and we were confronted by an angry group of demonstrators who were incensed at our killing of innocent chickens (which of course would then be donated to feed the poor.) I asked the protestors how many demonstrations they had been to protest the killing and slaughter of actual human beings, innocent human beings, taking place in Syria, Darfur and various other places throughout the world. The answer was none. Exactly none. The hypocrisy was almost comical and a few of them even sheepishly smiled at the question realizing how foolish they must have looked.

I do believe the Rabbonim want to do the right thing and care deeply about Anash but would it be possible for the Rabbonim to perhaps figure out how to deal with actual life-threatening issues and issue public statements regarding said matters?

The owners of MicDrop immediately contacted various Rabbonim to figure out how they can correct the halachically problematic issues with their event so it would meet the Beth Din’s standards.

If only some of the people running our camps and yeshivos responded in the same way regarding the known sexual offenders and abusers who are currently teaching our children.

There are some who view the Rabbonim’s letter as a concerted effort to subjugate and suppress a women’s ability to speak her mind in a public setting. I don’t know if that is the case or not. I do not posses the gift of mind reading and do not know this to be true or false. I do, however, possess something known as common sense and anyone with even a tiny bit of that can look at this situation and see a serious case of displaced priorities.

For the sake of the community you serve, please get those priorities straight and address the issues that actually matter, matters that Halacha would certainly place in the category of “Pikuach Nefesh”.

With tremendous respect,
David B. Schottenstein

Update:
I would like to clarify the purpose and intention behind writing my letter.

I truly have the utmost respect for the Beth Din and Rabbi Osdoba. Anyone who feels I meant to disrespect them is simply wrong.

When Beth Din issues a psak it must be followed and the MicDrop owners are currently working to comply with the Beth Din’s opinion.

I am in no way saying that just because there are other burning issues out there the Rabbonim should not tackle this one. Indeed, two wrongs do not make a right.

My letter is a PLEA, a sincere request, that the Rabbonim tackle these life threatening issues with the same ferocity and public condemnation as was used in this case.

If the Rabbonim have previously put letters out about these serious issues and I have managed to somehow miss all of them then I apologize. I do not believe that to be the case. I am not a Rav and do not profess to be. In terms of Halacha I am certainly an ignoramus. I am, however, a concerned member of our community, the Chabad community, and I believe all of us have the right and frankly even an obligation to engage in dialogue about tackling these incredibly important issues.

If the Rabbonim were to tell me that my letter was disrespectful or inappropriate in any way I would immediately retract it and apologize. Again, I do not believe this to be the case.




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Opinions and Comments
1
Question
Is his point that since our community is plagued with major issues it's irrelevant if other things are right to do or not...
Just because there are big issues doesn't mean we should look over things which are clearly wrong.
(2/6/2019 11:26:08 PM)
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Getting Priorities straight
100 percent.
Don't step on halacha , even if you have the greatest goal in mind.

Consult rabbonim, even if you have great intentions.

Don't knock rabbonim for the good they are doing, even though they haven't resolved all other problems that exists.

And btw, if you drive to shul, don't run over anybody on the way, even though you are going to do a mitzvah. That's what this event does with halacha and people as well.

Good intentions. But not kosher. Might resolve some issues, but on the expense of other issues. You need a rabbi to help you and Mr mic drop, to decide what is PRIORITY. not everyone that cares and has a heart, has the right to vote. Sorry. Doesn't work this way in Judaism.
(2/6/2019 11:28:19 PM)
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respect
I respect micdrop owners for trying to fix any halachic issues. That is commendable
(2/6/2019 11:28:20 PM)
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Crown heights resident
Thank you for writing a very respectable response. How true are your words coming from your heart.
(2/6/2019 11:28:50 PM)
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cop out
poor response

just because there may be important issues, does not make a wrong right
listen to the message, dont shoot the messenger
(2/6/2019 11:28:54 PM)
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What
I don't begin to understand even where you come from and why you think you have even a voice (this is not mic drop. Lol). You are right? Know halacha? Everyone that has a pen or computer writes their two cents. You can write your stuff in the comments (like I'm doing). That's about it. And then go learn and talk to a rov to get guidance. (Col should do the same). Unfortunately, money influences , as you wrote, it's hurting his business (and that's where col comes from as well with their decisions). What a shame
(2/6/2019 11:34:05 PM)
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chutzpa
i personally thnink your right but your way of talking is not at all the way to Rabbis that have far more knowledge in all Torah matters. Rabbis Jobs are to educate the public but you have no right to educate the Rabbis in public! You could of knocked on their door to speak with them.
(2/6/2019 11:37:47 PM)
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well said!
Thank you!
(2/6/2019 11:38:39 PM)
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The man we need!
Rabbi Dr. David B. Schottenstein should perhaps consider running for the crown heights community council. He is the sensible voice we need!
(2/6/2019 11:40:59 PM)
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What ?
This event should be open for Woman only,2 wrongs
Don’t make anything right,a Woman should not be speaking in front of men period
(2/6/2019 11:50:58 PM)
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Awesome
This is awesome, THANK YOU
(2/6/2019 11:52:02 PM)
12
Wrong focus
Instead of explaining why there's no problem with the mic drop event you are focusing on why the rabanim don't focus on other things. Sounds childish to me.
(2/7/2019 12:00:51 AM)
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Shocked
What does one thing have to do with the other?
Yes, there are many problems and areas we can improve in, both as individuals and as a community. Just because the Rabonim spoke up about this one, and you’re upset about another, doesn’t make this right. Rabonim are here to make sure Halacha is carried out properly and if this is wrong, they are letting us know. What is so hard to understand?? Maybe if everyone would accept the psak, the Rabonim would be comfortable to rule on more difficult areas. Let’s not criticize our Rabonim. You, and the others who commented against them, are playing with fire. Please!
(2/7/2019 12:05:44 AM)
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The difference
The difference is very simple.
No is is officially abusing. No camp instructs theur staff to molest children and no shul has board meetings about which shul member should touch a child next.
If that would be the case the beis din would come out immediately condemning such actions.
This event on the other hand is being organized.
Since it is something they do not allow they issue astatement that this is against Torah.
(2/7/2019 12:05:55 AM)
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If this is about addressing issues...
Then why is it being labeled as specifically a 'women's' event?
(2/7/2019 12:18:12 AM)
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Well said.
Obviously someone encouraging the Rabbi's to write the letter. Rabbi's don't wrote letters anytime they think something is an issue. They only wrote letters when asked. Nudges get letters.
(2/7/2019 12:20:05 AM)
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Problem
So you’re basically saying it is an issue but just not top priority, but it is an issue. Thanks for confirming.
(2/7/2019 12:35:12 AM)
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Oppresswho
It’s a free country David B S. If I don’t agree do I not have even a tiny bit of common sense? Who would know Halacha a Rov or an entrepreneur....
(2/7/2019 12:44:36 AM)
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NICE TRY
Nice try............... but 2 wrongs don't make right!!
Period end discussion!!
(2/7/2019 1:00:14 AM)
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Mechitza during speechs - Source by Alter Rebbe
For an early source for having a Mechitza even during a speech, see the Alter Rebbe's Shulchon Oruch Siman 315, 3:

"Needless to say, it is permitted to erect dividers strictly for the sake of modest...to intervene between men and women during a sermon, or in any similar situation."

This Din is based on earlier sources in Rishonim.
(2/7/2019 1:02:31 AM)
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Well said!
Would be nice to see a positive change from the top.
(2/7/2019 1:08:29 AM)
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Fool me twice...
First COL posts the Rabbonim's letter with a very anti-Rabbonim slant (as a marketing ploy to sell tickets). Then, they post a response which is ALSO anti the Rabbonim.

All this while clearly having a conflict of interest, considering that COL's publisher is one of the speakers at the event.

No disrespect to David Schottenstein, but is he implying that we shouldn't listen to the Rabbonim because he didn't give them permission to address this issue? He maybe a great guy, but what gives him the authority or expertise to have an opinion on what Halachic matters the Rabbonim are allowed to address?

Either you think that little of journalistic integrity, or perhaps you think that little of your readers.
(2/7/2019 1:22:21 AM)
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Well said
The Rabbonim who ‘lead’ our community are weak and preoccupied with infighting to actually handle and issues; issues which for so many years have been neglected. They should all be ashamed...and fired.
(2/7/2019 1:25:34 AM)
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Imbarrasing
Why is a public event not in accordance to halacha similar to running yellow lights?! Is Torah not a life matter for any yid, let alone for us educated by the rebbe that the identity of a yid is Torah and it's halacha?!
(2/7/2019 1:28:15 AM)
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Sorry david
Difficult when you write esteemed rabonim and then portray them with no common sense.
Regarding other issues , I believe there were letters from CH rabrabonnon to go to authorities regarding child molesters.
Regarding that organizers give money to chabad doesn't mean that they can't take a stand.
Regarding concerts in Israel , rabbonon wrote letter saying they were not for people going to them.
Rabbis wrote letter against "call of the shofar " gathering.
So I'm not getting your point about this being the first letter.
So
(2/7/2019 1:30:07 AM)
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Kol Hakavod
Well written David.
(2/7/2019 1:40:40 AM)
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Question for ya
Can a Rav who does not know his own community give a proper psak?

(2/7/2019 1:45:48 AM)
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Ch’er
Thank you David for your courage in writing this response.
Sounds very much like my comment to the original post of the Rabbonim letter.

Bless you David for your good work. Always Be strong be good and kind.
(2/7/2019 2:01:54 AM)
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Fair point but
The rabbis provided a Halachic ruling.

Commenting on social issues, however severe they are is a different matter and I can see why Rabbis would refrain from commenting on social issues..is that their role? I'm not sure.

So you are conflating two very different types of ideas.

But your point is still valid.

They were asked a question by an individual, why the need to comment publicly on this?

I'm sure there have been other issues asked privately that do have a public affect. Issues related to Agunos, mental health, sexual and domestic abuse, addiction, financial crime and dishonesty and many more....


But it's always only tznius ( big eyeroll).

(2/7/2019 2:05:28 AM)
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Agree 100%
For those who don't know: Two wrongs does make a right!

òìä åäöìéçå
(2/7/2019 2:32:15 AM)
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Oy vey, where to start...
The article states as follows: "...featuring women speakers called Wonder Women by a Jewish owned startup called MicDrop."

I assume you do not know, so I must issue an explanation. There is also a well known, non-Jewish (i.e. non-tnius) film that came out last year that has a very similar name. The title of the film is "Wonder Woman", as opposed to the "Wonder Women" workshop.

The Rabbonim are doing a job that makes them uncomfortable. It is entirely appropriate for them to issue such a letter, and it is entirely appropriate for me to fill in the blanks for you, Reb Schottenstein.

As for your comments, like, "...If only some of the people running our camps and yeshivos responded in the same way regarding the known sexual offenders and abusers who are currently teaching our children," it sounds like you need to find a more appropriate way of communicating in public.

The rabbonim are not licensed attorneys, nor are they licensed medical practitioners. It is not appropriate for the Rabbonim to say ANYTHING, publicly or privately, that reveals information protected by legal and/or medical privacy laws.

Reb Schottenstein, the only reason I am responding to you, is because I know that by law, the Rabbonim cannot. Criminal matters are enforced by the United States District Attorney's Office, and the Rabbonim are acting correctly and within the law by remaining officially silent. Most likely, it would be against federal law for the Rabbonim to comply with your demands, like when you stated, "...would it be possible for the Rabbonim to perhaps figure out how to deal with actual life-threatening issues and issue public statements regarding said matters?" Issuing public statements in such instances would violate privacy-protection laws.

Thank you for voicing your opinion.

Menachem Mendel Harrison
(2/7/2019 3:54:59 AM)
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Always the same excuse
Always the same response: why don't you write about this or that? First of all there are letters on many issues
Secondly that doesn't make this issue any less of an issue
Grow up & listen yo to a rov
Thirdly now you know why rabbonim hardly intervene....No one listens anyway
(2/7/2019 4:22:28 AM)
33
Voice of Reason
Thank you David.

- A Shliach
(2/7/2019 4:22:30 AM)
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Wow
I'm extremely impressed, well written and respectful. And thank you to you, David, for all that you help the mosdos that help us!!
(2/7/2019 4:53:48 AM)
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arrogance of the first degree
I'm speaking as a wealthy person BH so before any chochom says "jealousy" its not, I wish Mr Schottenstein well and much continued success in all his endeavours.

However, who does he think he is telling rabonnim what to prioritise? Of course the issues he speaks of are crtitcally important BUT we are supposed to follow Da'as Torah NOT Da'as Baalei Batim! If he wants things to change he should speak to his Rov who can respectfully communicate his concerns, if his Rov thinks they're valid. The internet and its websites are not a forum for criticism of Rabinnic Procedure!
(2/7/2019 5:04:03 AM)
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Fact Check
"and yet there have been exactly zero letters publicly published and circulated by the Beth Din."

FALSE!
(2/7/2019 5:16:19 AM)
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Ad hominem
You may have a question as to why there is a silence from the leaders on more important issues. Where and how that question should be presented is another matter (did you pick up a phone and call the Rabbonim directly?)

That question, however, should and must stand alone. Using other rulings that have been issues by the Rabbonim as a spring board to present your question, as expresses through out your letter, is wrong and simply outrageous.

Given that the Rabbonim forming of "an opinion regarding this event in response to a halachic inquiry on whether attendance is permissible or not" is, in your words "completely understandable", then that should be left alone, untouched, and not backhandedly disrespected, contrary to your concluding words "with tremendous respect".

The Rabbonim addressed a Halacha that they believed should be addressed. Case closed. For any and all other inquiries - obtain the mail address and send a letter.
(2/7/2019 5:20:43 AM)
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Child abuse matter was addressed 7 years ago.
Refer to a July 11th article on Collive.com in which the Crown Heights Beis Din specifically addresses the importance of reporting child abuse. This is not a new issue, nor one which has not been addressed, though it might be worthwhile to remind the community.
(2/7/2019 5:29:41 AM)
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Well said
Refreshing to hear some honest dialog. So refreshing. Finally. Litterally people are dying, families are being torn apart. Crazy _____ is going down. And where is the leadership?. Totally back this letter and everything said. I know little about the event but that is the point. In the scheme of things it seems so irrelevant.
(2/7/2019 5:45:05 AM)
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Not sure...
Just because the rabbonim chose not to speak out against something doesn't mean they can't speak out against something else?!

They'll probably back down from fear after having upset a rich person though.
(2/7/2019 5:50:47 AM)
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To Mr David,
Perhaps if those people took them self as serious as you took your business, they would not be seeking Mike drop or and any other form of feel good, non effective, millennial psychology.
I would safely assume that a person who takes religion seriously, i.e. minyan/chassiudus every day (Not just occasional inspirational tidbits) would not care for Mike drop.

I do strongly advocate for one on one Principal based scicologist.
(2/7/2019 6:06:20 AM)
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WOW
Perfectly said!
(2/7/2019 6:11:41 AM)
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Yakov
Schottenstein and many of those that posted similar comments on the original article are missing a crucial point.

This event is being marketed to anash in a major way... this website features it prominently and regularly. As the the community's Rabbonim they must speak up... if not, to quote Mr Schottenstein, "their silence is deafening ". These types of breaches in halacha take place regularly... the distinction here that obliges them to speak out publicly is the pirsum this event is given. Schottenstein clearly doesnt understand how serious the issues with this event are... hence the reason for his view that this is "common sense". I am shocked at the brazen chutzpah to publicly challange the Rabbonim and at COL for giving it a platform
(2/7/2019 6:12:18 AM)
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He has a point
David has a point, rabonim should be just as vocal about other topics.. however, these are some of the rabonim of CH and we can’t pick and choose what we listen to whether or not we think it’s too strict. Let’s hope MicDrop will raise its standards and ‘set the standard’ also, the heading saying ‘response’ is a chitzpah, rabonim don’t need a response, howabout ‘opinion’ or ‘thoughts’
(2/7/2019 6:13:29 AM)
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Home run, David
Agreed, 100 percent!! I have always been a fan of David Schottenstein. A powerful voice in our community who stands for what is right and just.
(2/7/2019 6:16:36 AM)
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Finally
Wow a breath of fresh air! Thank you for saying what these Rabbonim need to hear. Let's hope something actually changes from their part and their level of leadership actually becomes dedicated towards REAL issues that continue to threaten and destroy our community and people!!
(2/7/2019 6:17:38 AM)
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Mic drop and real therapy.
Mice drop is an overly extroverted ridiculous way of expressing oneself. It’s essentially seeking approval from a lot of people at once. Its not effective psychology.

I watched many and gained nothing. Essentially was all “feel good“

One real hour of real psychology with a real therapist after a real day of hard work does much more than a thousand mic drops.
(2/7/2019 6:19:28 AM)
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Good point, but
The other Beis Din did put out a letter several years ago about sexual abuse. Of course not nearly enough, but credit to Rabbis Schwei and Braun for at least saying something.
(2/7/2019 6:21:25 AM)
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Confused.
So you dont disagree with their letter? You simply think that they should focus their attention elsewhere? On things, that in your opinion, require greater attention? Maybe the other issues are too complex for them. You made this one obvious, so even simple farmers like us can realize the issues.
(2/7/2019 6:24:04 AM)
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Grateful and Thankful
Mr. Schottenstein, maybe now would be a good idea for you to be grateful and thankful that the Rabbonim are "finally" speaking out. Build and encourage them to do it more. Writing against them at a time when you clearly believe they are doing what they should have always been doing....seems to me as counterproductive.
(2/7/2019 6:28:08 AM)
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Micdrop for women only
Regarding abuse

https://www.collive.com/show_news.rtx?id=20387&alias=abuse-experts-skip-the-rabbis
(2/7/2019 6:31:21 AM)
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Oy, Not Again!
Everyone is entitled to their opinion and even a halachic opinion if the person is a talmud chacham.
But, to criticize MicDrop in this fashion is very inappropriate.
Doesn't the Rabbinic "leadership" of the CH Jewish community have other burning issues that need to be addressed....like the number of teens and young people in CH who are now leaving Yiddishkeit. Come-on, lets get real. Wake-up folks!
(2/7/2019 6:32:03 AM)
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Chani
Well said!
(2/7/2019 6:35:12 AM)
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Sorry David you are wrong
A letter like this should have not bin send (as you can see now it is publicized).

I have always respected you and still do. But this is out of character to write a letter like this. You make this sound like this is a small issue (as you write There are fires burning throughout our community...)

This is a big issue. You may not understand this. This can just bring people more down then it can bring good.

I advise you to first maybe get Personally involved. Make a Mosod that gives fun and inspiring classes with food..... with great speakers..... to people of the kind that like MicDrop come in to Crown Heights once a month and speak to thees people, who I am sure will listen to you as you are successfull and you also know how to speak. As I have heard you give a Devar Torah (in Tzemach Tzedek Shull) and it was great.

Then once you have gotten really involved in helping thees people in CROWN HEIGHTS then after 6 months or a year. When the Rabbonim see that you really care about the community and have a close friendship with all these people.

Then approach the Rabbonim (personaly) explain to them why you think this will benefit them and the community...
and work things out.

But to Criticize any Rabbonim like this. Which ends up to be public is just wrong. You of all. should know this.

Wishing you lots of Success and Nachas from your business and Family
(2/7/2019 6:42:33 AM)
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Why?
Mr Schottenstein
Your response brings a reaction that I’m sure most of us will have in chabad and I stress Chabad, not Chabad light. Why are you questioning Rabbonim? You are merely a businessman who has a few extra dollars than the average. How do the few green pieces of paper that hashem gave you as a loan, make you a decider and an opinion in halacha? You Bh have a back for business because you work hard and that is your profession. When it comes to halacha, that is not your profession nor does the money stand as a strong opinion in the yiddishe life. Yes you may give a lot of tzedakah that’s amazing, but tzedakah is a mitzvah from the Torah that must be done and all you have is a loan from hashem. Giving tzedakah does not give a person yiddishkeit and chassidishkeit! Those you have to earn on your own
Hakol midei shomayim chutz miyiras shamayim.
(2/7/2019 7:00:10 AM)
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Lousy opinion
Nobody argues that there are other pressing problems that they need to address, some of them were addressed with letters as well. They did not organize a boycott.

The rabbis were asked a question and gave an answer.

You may not like the answer, but it's no different then any other answer regarding any other halachic question.
(2/7/2019 7:02:02 AM)
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100% agree
Silencing women is never an option.
(2/7/2019 7:11:58 AM)
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Machkoles
Machlokes, especially with Rabbonim, brings many ills, chas v'chalilah. Maybe this should have been discussed privately. The only thing positive coming out of this so far is that it is a sign of Moshiach's coming.
(2/7/2019 7:13:49 AM)
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Hmmmm
So the answer to something Rabbonim say is wrong is to point out other issues? This is quite childish to me personally. Write a letter asking them to take care of another thing. Nothing to do with an issue that is wrong.
And I find the line of money towards mosdos an embarrassment to tzedakah and yidishkeit. If something is halachickly wrong that has nothing to do and should never have anything to do with how much money you give. Tzedakah is actually a privledge to the giver not a bribe.
(2/7/2019 7:19:26 AM)
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Why did they ban it?
I completely agree with David.
(2/7/2019 7:29:55 AM)
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Yes but....
You are right. There are certainly big issues to address in our communities. BUT that doesn't take away from the fact that this needs to be addressed as well. If you want rabbonim to take care of the issues you stated, that's a very good idea. Write a letter solely addressing those needs. But using that as a response to mic drop events is just ignoring the need to fix that issue as well.
(2/7/2019 7:50:46 AM)
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Youre right.
So why dont the organizers of Micdrop go to rabbonim BEFORE advertizing the event to get their approval??
(2/7/2019 7:53:02 AM)
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Out of line
Reb Dovid is a beautiful soul and a bal tzedakah etc. However coming out against the rabbanim is out of line. All the money and fame in the world doesn't give you the right. The rabbanim were very leveled in their response. One has nothing to do with the other.
This is an issue and they are addressing it.
Besides that point, it would be one thing for other rabbanim to respond but for a jew, (yes a big oihev yisroel and philanthropic heart) to be that person? That draws a line.
(2/7/2019 7:53:59 AM)
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Very nice letter
1) the Beis din along with the community council allocates funds for individuals seeking help when it comes to serous issues one should deal with it by going to seek Professional doctors. Using mic drop can be and I’m sure is beneficial however even the alter rebbe in Tanya did not want Tanya to be instead of seeking out a dr.
2. Yiras shamoyim and learning Torah can definitely help the situation, people are gravitating towards spirituality and some use drugs to feel good. I must say over the last number of years I have seen an increase of public shiurim
So if one needs to seek help it should be done in a tznuis respectful and dignifying manner not as a business and not to create public excitement on the account of people having and dealing with issues
(2/7/2019 7:57:05 AM)
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Thank you!
Well said!! That was a breath of fresh air.
(2/7/2019 7:57:36 AM)
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huh??
since there are other issues out there they shouldn't adress this one??

not sure which 'common sense' that is...…

just because they cant solve world wide huge issues doesn't mean they shouldn't adress anything....obviously

this event is halachically wrong, and we thank the Rabanim for clarity on this matter, and unless someone is a rav and can seriously halachically respond, their answer does not qualify as a RESPONSE. at all.


and, as much as it says with respect, this letter is extremely disrespectful.

(2/7/2019 8:00:40 AM)
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Is this a joke?
Is this guy really writing like this to the Rabbonim? You write "with tremendous respect," but the entire letter is incredibly disrespectful.

I'm sorry to say this, but this is ridiculous. Rabbonim are not in the business of fixing the entire world. It's simply not their job. Why are we blaming the Rabbonim for people's aveiros? This is implying that if the Rabbonim would just do their job properly then everyone would be a beinoni, and it is therefore the fault of the Rabbonim that we're not all beinonim.

Nevertheless, in response to the issues you raised, which are:
Sexual abuse
Abuse leading to drug use
Mental health issues and suicide

What exactly should the Rabbonim be doing about this? Since you are very knowledgeable (enough so to be telling other people how to do their job), maybe you can suggest what else the Rabbonim should be done that falls within the scope of their responsibility.

Regarding sexual abuse, the Rabbonim said to report to the authorities. They gave a psak that it is not only permissible but imperative to report such a crime to the non-Jewish police force. That's their job, to tell us what Torah says. And they told us that Torah says to report such a crime r"l and not to turn away.
In private they told any mosad who came to them not to employ these people, and many of the schools did not ask the rabbonim and relied on their own calculations in keeping some of these people on the payroll by placing them away from children and in administrative positions rather than with young children. If they don't ask, the Rabbonim are not accountable for that, so any school who still is doing such a thing did not ask the Rabbonim. I will not name names. Nonetheless, it is clear that the Rabbonim did their job.

Abuse leading to drug use: Obviously it is assur to do drugs. It is well known the Rebbe's response to numberous baalei tshuva who were formerly hippies about the opinion of Torah on this matter. The Rabbonim have notified the community members in every circumstance that I have been involved, which is unfortunately very many (part of my shlichus is with teens, addiction, recovery and rehabs) and literally in every case they have been supportive and promoted rehabilitation and therapy. So they do their job. They tell people where to go for help with addiction and drug abuse. They tell families and parents to seek professional help for loved ones that are involved in drugs. I see this regularly. They support the mosdos in CH for drug prevention (Behrman's moisad and everything else that's under NCFJE).

And mental health is the same as above. They direct people to seek professional help and preferably from someone who is Torah observant. So they do their job. They let people know that if they are struggling with addiction or mental illness (of which addiction is one) that Torah obligates them to seek professional help, and in ideal circumstances they should seek someone who follows the way of Torah, as that will be most helpful. (And it is very true. I have had many people from frum backgrounds say that it was invaluable for them to see a frum therapist so that they didn't have to explain everything and so that many ideas in the culture were known to the therapist already. This does not even speak to the halachic aspect, but just on a practical level the Rabbonim's advice is good).

I'm not exactly sure what else people expect from the Rabbonim. Should they start breaking down people's doors and shipping them off to rehab? Should they start writing prescriptions for mood stabilizers? What else do you want?

From my perspective it seems that you are just blaming the Rabbonim because you're mad that there's all sorts of terrible stuff going on and apparently the Rabbonim are supposed to be stopping it. I hope you can see just how ridiculous that sounds.

Not only are the Rabbonim failing in the other issues, but they're doing their job. The fact is that you're the one who is way out of line and your expectations of the Rabbonim belie an obvious lack of understanding. Do you think that if the Rabbonim issued a psak that you're not allowed to do drugs then all of the addicts would just put down the drugs? I just don't get this. It makes no sense. I have personally had the Rabbonim tell me that if an addict becomes willing to enter a rehab or detox, even if is it on Shabbos, you are mechuyav to drive him as it is the din of pikuach nefesh mamosh. What else should the Rov do? Drive them himself? I don't doubt that the Rabbonim would (although I'm pretty sure that most of them don't drive). This is a complete straw man.

By the way, if this guy would go to the Rabbonim to help with the guidelines and make an event according to halacha, I'm sure he could request a letter stating so. The problem is that the Rabbonim seem to indicate that the whole spirit of such an event is not in the spirit of Torah and Chassidus.

Basically, why can't these ladies just make a farbrengen for their girlfriends in their living rooms and share whatever deep dark secrets they need to share?

This whole thing is just a big power struggle and it's all klipa.

Yitzchak Miller
(2/7/2019 8:11:01 AM)
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Why Are Agunot, Molested Children, and Abusers being ignored by the Rabbonim?
I think that the point here, is that we suddenly have a letter of concern.
One morning, the rabbis decided that Mic Drop is a problem that needs a letter. Maybe there are Halachic issues that they want to address, HOWEVER we have over a DOZEN Agunot in our CH community that are in deep pain, serious financial trouble, and if this continues, then these children will have no choice but to raise a generation of young adults that will choose much WORSE things than attending a mic drop.
Dear Rabbonim,
With the same fervor, passion, and PR, please address:
• Agunot in CH
• Child abuse in CH
• Abusive husbands in CH
• Poverty in CH
While professionals are definitely needed in these situations, by not have a passionate letter from Rabbonim on these life-threatening issues, then it makes it look like these issue are of much less importance; therefore the abusers are given a "green-light" to continue to abuse, the victims feel even more powerless, and the cycle continues to decline....
Rabbis with authority: Please speak up and use your power for good and please help those of us in CH who need your help.
(2/7/2019 8:35:19 AM)
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#67
Great response. If I may... community leaders and people of means are the ones responsible for dealing with these issues. Especially people that have a strong opinion ;).
(2/7/2019 8:37:52 AM)
70
Encouraging MicDrop to do the right thing
I'm in business and BH successful. It's not easy keeping halacha in business and I see first hand how difficult it can be. I also see how many of anash who are scrupulous in mitzvos bein adam liMokom yet struggle with Choshon Mushpot halachos. Chabad chasidus was revealed so that we can make a true dira lo yisbarech btachtonim, this is primarily done by the baile esek (those in the business world) as mentioned by Rebbe. Further, the mihalech in Chabad as described by the Alter Rebbe is that sechel flows from ratzon and shapes midos (and as the Rebbe makes clear the job of the Chosid is to use his intellect to keep his midos in check). Today, we see the exact opposite where it is feelings uber ales. What happens in outside world eventually seeps into our world and you can see this in the words of the author of this article.

It's not too late. The founders of Mic Drop still have an opportunity to listen to the Torah. They now have a psak halacha and a clear directive of what the future of Mic Drop should be. Throughout our history, Jews struggled in their fidelity to halacha and as I mentioned, I too have struggled. The founders have an advantage that I don't, it's in the (very) public sphere and they have a huge opportunity to make a kiddush haShem and inspire all of us - and primarily their target audience who are looking to them for inspiration - by acting with misiras nafesh and abiding by a halachik ruling.

The Rebbe called Rabonim his "abir shebabirim" (most beloved). Show us how it's done! Show us what it means to be a frum yid!
(2/7/2019 9:09:46 AM)
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While I agree with the premise of this post....
Who do you (or we) think we are to question rabbonim publicly?
Call them like Flatbush girl did, or visit them in office to discuss....
(2/7/2019 9:19:21 AM)
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The Rabonim simply put out a letter
Everyone relax. They were asked a community question and the community wants to hear from them. You’re all getting way too worked up and complicated. There’s not much to this little and simple letter where they responded to a question.

They didn’t galvanize hundreds of people or set up a task force or any complex mechanism.

All the other problems have nothing to do with this. And those complaining can say the same about Judaism itself or anything they disagree with. Do what you want and do your job but let the Rabonim do their job and define their job.

This letter and comments are just childish.
(2/7/2019 9:21:37 AM)
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Agreed
I agree with mr schottenstien . These rabonim are very 2 faced .
(2/7/2019 9:31:46 AM)
74
There is lots of nuance
There is lots of nuance how to deal with Modern Orthodox Jews within the Lubavitch community.

On one hand we must do everything to respect them and keep them as the Rebbe’s Chassidim even if they don’t learn Chitas, Rambam, dress in a certain manner etc. We’re not a community about purging members, etc. Yet on the other hand, we mustn’t let our mashpiim and Rabonim be silenced by elements that wish us to be another Modern Orthodox community with a twist.

We are Chassidim, we have spiritual leaders and don’t judge those who wish not to adhere. If women want to speak there or men wish to attend, so be it, gezunterheit. We don’t have a taliban police force. Nor should we. But we do have mashpiim and rabonim with a critical role to lead those who wish to be ultra conforming to halacha and midas Chassidus. Are they infallible? Of course not, but the Rebbe wanted them to be held in highest esteem.

Even the Kohen Gadol was accountable and even for lashes when appropriate, but in a very discreet way. Not in the town square (of which collive is a modern form of that).

By the way, I admire the great achievements of the author of the article. And his legendary philanthropy. I only wish him the best. Just think that the manner in which it was written (if it should have even been written at all) was ill conceived.
(2/7/2019 9:43:41 AM)
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To # 68
Agunos is a problem for thousands of years and the few that are in CH let it be known sometimes there is 2 sides to a story. The rabbis already gave a clear ruling that anyone who hits and does child abuse must report them to the police. What more do you want. They are not policemen. The ruling was clear go to the police and report offenders. The rabbis are here to keep the Torah alive and keep Halacha. Even Rabbi Braun said that the Mic Drop is against Torah on his minute Pod Cast which I have if anyone wants I can post it.
(2/7/2019 9:57:28 AM)
76
Finally
Finally a voice of reason. Well said, David.

To everyone crying "disrespect" - what exactly have our local rabbonim done to earn respect?
(2/7/2019 10:19:09 AM)
77
Men coming to hear women share?
Why are there only women speaking? It wouldn't be so bad if men were speaking too. We have all lost our sensitivity to gender issues. Time to bring back the modesty.
(2/7/2019 10:24:26 AM)
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A few points
There are some of my thoughts on this letter:

1) I'm writing about this letter and not the author. I don't want to judge someone's entire being and life on a letter they wrote.

2) He writes that it's completely understandable for the Rabonim to have their opinion and then writes literally in the next sentence that it's so perplexing.

3) He talks about doing the right thing and then mentions that the owners of MicDrop give frequently and generously to the Rebbe’s mosdos, is that a reason to change Halacha? Why is that even relevant? He'd jump to accuse them of giving relevance to money and then writes this.

3) He says the Rabonim have zero letters published on abuse issues, that's totally false and simply untrue.

4) It's easy to criticize the Rabonim and has always been done throughout history. Let's stay focused here for a minute. The Rabonim wrote that it's not befitting, just leave it at that. What's so complicated about that?

5) He brings examples of people protesting Kaporos and leaders of a fictional community. In general and especially if you know a bit about journalism and writing, this is totally inappropriate. He's basically comparing the Rabonim to crazy protesters.

6) You can criticize every figure in Judaism and Judaism itself based on his thinking about what should have priority.

7) He writes in a very disrespectful and demeaning tone (the Rabonim lack even a tiny bit of common sense) and just covers when he refers to them directly. This part is truly shameful

8) He brings up a terrible thing people say about the Rabonim (about subjugating and suppressing women) and says maybe it's true and maybe it's not, he's simply not a mind reader. You can also add that some people say the Rabonim are doing it for some other terrible reason and maybe it's true and maybe it's not, and that you're simply not a mind reader. More disrespect.

9) Telling the Rabonim that for the sake of the community to get the priorities straight.

Any married person with children and life experience should know better than to write such a letter. I find it very surprising for anyone to write such a letter and put their name on it, especially a person that does so much good. All I can think of is that it was done out of a strong emotional reaction.
(2/7/2019 10:38:02 AM)
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Rabbis causing more embarrassment to this community

I DON'T HAVE ANY OPINION ON THIS MICDROP AND SO I WILL JUST KEEP MY MOUTH SHUT ON SOMETHING I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT.
BUT I DO HAVE AN OPINION AND ACTUALLY A HUGE ISSUE WITH THE RABBIS PICKING AND CHOOSING WHEN THEY WANT TO GET INVOLVED AND TAKE AN ACTIVE ROLE AS "RABBIS" IN THIS COMMUNITY. JUST A SHORT TIME AGO A DISGUSTING ACT WAS COMMITTED AGAINST HARDWORKING SOFRIM IN THIS COMMUNITY. INSTEAD OF THE RABBIS TAKING A STAND AND EVEN IF THEY DIDN'T AGREE AT LEAST CLARIFY WHAT THEIR STAND WAS, AND AT THE MINIMUM CALL OUT ON THE TREMENDOUS DISGRACE THAT WAS CAUSED TO INNOCENT PEOPLE. THEN. THE THE RABBIS REMAINED SILENT!!! SILENT!! NOT A SINGLE WORD! AND NOW THEY ARE TALKING AND EXPECT TO BE LOOKED AT AS AUTHORITY. LET ME BE CLEAR RABBIS CAN'T JUST PICK AND CHOOSE WHEN THEY WANT TO USE THEIR TITLE WHEN THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE HEADING A COMMUNITY AND EXPECT THE PEOPLE TO LISTEN!!
AND UNLIKE YOU RABBIS, WE WILL NOT BE SILENT!!
(2/7/2019 10:44:48 AM)
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David, I'm sorry to have judged you
David, may Hashem Bentch you with only goodness

When I read your original letter I heard a lot of disrespect and I was surprised and judgmental of what you wrote. It definitely came across to me as very disrespectful.

Writing, as we all know from texting, can come off very differently than what we intend.

And since I can't read your mind and only what you wrote, I judged what you wrote and I even judged you a little. I realized it's just one letter and it's not all of you, and still I judged you a little as well.

Then you added to your letter that you didn't mean to be disrespectful and that's not your intention at all. So I'm sorry to have judged you. I deeply appreciate your honesty in what you added, that's beyond commendable and humbling to me, and I think it's something so many of us can learn from. Not become defensive and double down. To stay true to our good intentions and not let the accusations of others define us and what we do.

May Hashem Bentch you with only good things
(2/7/2019 10:51:50 AM)
81
Name?
At least David had the guts to put his name and face out there, to all those who are questioning him or vice versa why are you ashamed of signing your name at the end of the comment?

Of all 74 comments there is only one person who actually signed his name...

Regardless of what your opinion is, at least have the guts to sign your name like David did, hiding behind a comment with no name is worthless and simply more of the same which is just bad mouthing someone else.

Binyomin Levin
(2/7/2019 10:51:54 AM)
82
Such Irony
These Rabonim can't even agree who are the proper Rabonim in CH. If that seminal issue cannot be addressed, they are not entitled to a voice. First figure out their own issues, without which, they are not entitled to respect.
(2/7/2019 10:58:30 AM)
83
ALWAYS A MISUNDERSTANDING
THE POINT IS THE RABBONIM DONT CARE ABOUT ANYTHING BUT IN THIS IT A POLITICAL STANCE. JUST LIKE THE LEFT ESPECIALLY ALL THE ATHLETES , THEY CRY AND BEMOAN HOW TERRIBLE BLACK LIVES MATTER, HOW MANY OF THEM WENT TO CHICAGO AND TRY TO STOP THEIR OWN VIOLENCE. NONE. ITS A TIME TO STAND UP TO EVERYTHING THATS WRONG, AND NOT BE POLITICALLY CORRECT
(2/7/2019 11:41:45 AM)
84
G-d Bless you!
Well said David!
(2/7/2019 12:02:22 PM)
85
Young bochurim
are leaving yidishkeit. I agree with the DS, crown heights leadership needs to get their priorities straight. Instead they are trying to create a socially closed community which is impossible in current times. The result will be that even more people are going to ignore these type of Beis din letters and/or take Beis din seriously. Why issue new halachic rulings which many ch residents can't follow anyway and thus make those who attended guilty or feel like criminals. Is this truly what Hashem wants from us?
(2/7/2019 12:14:54 PM)
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In response to #72
They didn't "simply put out a letter". They ruled who is guilty of what. This is a Beis din. Unless, of cause, they are not taken seriously anymore and their "halachic rulings" are meaningless.
(2/7/2019 12:18:18 PM)
87
Excellent Article Mr Schottenstien
Very well written and with the a lot of repect. Thank you for bravely putting your name out there and standing up for what you believe in.

Kol Hakavod
(2/7/2019 12:27:43 PM)
88
Was there a Bais Din held?
Did someone bring a claim against Micdrop?
Did the owners have an opportunity to respond?
If the Bais Din issued a psak without hearing from the organizers, this seems manifestly unfair.
(2/7/2019 12:52:45 PM)
89
Oye
The road down hill begins with a single small step, not usually with a big leap. Allowing a "small" opening to immodesty leaves room for the opening to grow bigger and bigger.....It may actually turn into something unexpected or unwanted.
(2/7/2019 1:35:30 PM)
90
Such ignorance
People who know nothing about how a Beis Din operates and it's responsibility are sitting here passing judgement on them. Ironic how it's those who are supportive of a more "modern" open minded and non-judgmental approach.

They're always reliable more judgmental and more unreasonable than you're typical person. People are tribal and religious and if they don't embrace that, then they'll be tribal and religious about being non-tribal and non-religious.

Do whatever you want, allow the Beis Din to do what they're there to do. And decide how you can do things differently and stop telling the Beis Din what and how they should do things.

The lack of self awareness is astounding and astonishing.
(2/7/2019 2:20:06 PM)
91
well written!
Kol Hakavod David!
(2/7/2019 2:55:22 PM)
92
#82
You sound like a little child. Do you say the same thing about the presidency and any post where there are unfortunately fights and arguments. This is as old as Yiddishkiet is. You're free to do what you want and even have an opinion, just know it's your own opinion and there are other ways of looking at things.
(2/7/2019 3:01:42 PM)
93
Psychologist Rabbi’s
The Orthodox community has rabbis who are also psychologists. Such a question needs to be addressed by them because they understand both sides of the issue.
(2/7/2019 3:09:58 PM)
94
Regarding Agunos and our Rabbonim
First, re-read #68
Here is a fact: In Crown Heights there is a well-known individual, considered by many a mashpia for men, who COUNSELS men to NEVER give a get. He has caused irreparable - and I do mean non-repairable- great, great damage. He is, in fact, responsible for their being mamzerim! AND THE RABBONIM ALL KNOW HIM AND WHAT HE PREACHES AND ADVISES.
There has been not a single word to the community about this individual's despicable counseling to men!!!
And, no, there is no other side to this. It is a fact.
(2/7/2019 3:39:36 PM)
95
Stop with the victimhood already!
Whenever there's an issue regarding Tzneeus,many feel the need to attack the Torah,Rabanim,Chabad,our moisdois, or whatever can take the focus off one's personal responsibility to adhere to the dinim of Tzneeus.
(2/7/2019 4:15:49 PM)
96
History
Our best teacher is history. There is nothing new under the sun. Just look at our past. Whoever started with Rabbonim and Halacha, they're were doomed. Take Korach with all his wealth and logical explanations. Take Zimri. Nevii Habaal. And so on. Whether you like it or not - the Rabbonim said, you swallow it.
Your Doctor prescribes a pill. You don't understand how it works. You have questions. You swallow it. Or in this case, your Doctor tells you soemthing is unhealthy for you, even if you have questions, you listen. Even a fool understands this.
(2/7/2019 4:36:27 PM)
97
People suffering=crisis?
There are people suffering and families fighting big issues but that doesn't mean there is a community wide crisis that Rabbonim need to address...

For example there are over 1500 families in CH and maybe 4 agunas...thus there is no aguna crisis
(2/7/2019 5:09:06 PM)
98
Billionaires
In the world of Chabad Rabbonim, the two Rabbis connected with this story would be, if you had to make an analogy, Billionaires on the Rabbi wealth list...based on their age, experience, reputation, etc...

It's time for people to show derech eretz
(2/7/2019 5:12:41 PM)
99
You Could Have Been More Respectful
I agree with much of what you wrote, but I really believe that this is a frum community and we must respect our rabonim even if we disagree with them. You could have written your open letter without making statements that can be seen as an attack on the rabonim. This doesn't do much good for the community, we have enough division as it is, we need to to create events and engage in actions that foster unity and respect.
Now that the deed is done, I urge you to use your creativity and influence and take the necessary steps to form an organization or hold an event that will help the community come together for a positive purpose, we need it desperately.
(2/7/2019 5:27:42 PM)
100
Kol Hakavod
I found David’s letter to be sincerely respectful. May you go from strength to strength!!
(2/7/2019 5:55:24 PM)
101
cnl
When I read Dovid's letter, the same thoughts came to me. We never hear from the Rabbonim about teachers not getting paid, child abuse, wife abuse, molestation, people who dont have money for food, addiction and a whole slew of problems affecting our community. It's only topics like this or eruv that we hear from them. Priorities are messed up!
(2/7/2019 7:06:11 PM)
102
Number76
Agreed, very well written article.
About respect...
While I found this article to be respectfully written, your comment came across as... well, not.
There are certain people in our lives that deserve our respect without having earned it. These include our parents, teachers, an old person, and one knowledgeable in Torah study. Even if a Rov has never done anything for us ever, he is nonetheless deserving of respect as per his title.
(2/7/2019 7:43:39 PM)
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Re: #68- AGUNOS
Thank you for bringing up this vital topic!!!!

As a victim of Get refusal, I can verify what you wrote! I care tremendously about Halacha, will always turn to a rav when I have a shaila, and thus I was shocked again & again when rabbanim ignored my pleas for help! I, and those helping me (shluchim & others) contacted the CH rabbanim . They offered ZERO help. Even the shluchim assisting me were dismayed & shocked. There are many mekoros which state that igun is pikuach nefesh, yet I & other agunos with whom Ive spoke continue to be completely ignored. And , as comment 68 notes,there are children living in the worst of pain (no father around, in some cases only chillldren who look on as all their friends have siblings, while their mothers are prevented from doing so, and mothers struggling on single mother incomes,etc) & the rabbanim are silent.
Plz, if yourr reading this, approach a rav/rabbanim & share w them that this is an inyan of pikuach nefesh, a horrible chillul Hashem, and actions must be taken to help.

Moshiach Now
(2/7/2019 7:58:25 PM)
104
Sad
Whether this is a priority or not, it’s definitely a major problem that must be addressed. This lack of tznius is one small step that can lead to a huge downfall. When we protect our boundaries it prevents the domino effect reaction of actions completely against Halacha. The abundance of Brachos that Tznius brings is immeasurable in all areas, as the Rebbe repeatedly mentioned. This event is definitely not for a frum Jew who calls himself a Lubavitcher chossid of the Rebbe, but for someone who is sadly looking for loopholes in the words of Halacha. May our eyes open to see the true value of the boundaries of Yiddishkieit which are only stepping stones for us to grow higher in our Yiddishkiet and see the beauty in it as opposed to falling a downhill, slippery slope, G-d Forbid.
(2/7/2019 9:05:33 PM)
105
David Schottenstien a true bal tzedaka
Loves seeing his name everywhere. The question is which I must ask David - Tell me David - what does what you have to say have to do with the tea in China? Since when do two wrongs make a right? You obviously are looking for excuses as if to say: Hey, that frum guy goes to the movies, therefore i will....eat non-kosher? You have a complaint that the Rabbonim did nothing about sexual abuse in the past - where were YOU? Did you ever approach the Rabbis regarding these travesties?? Now that MicDrop affects your pocket...all of a sudden you wake up?
(2/7/2019 10:11:03 PM)
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Challenge
This is how all standards fall. Start with a little, end with a lot. it never stops. We need to stand up to this and not let this be considered fine. Sorry to compare but the Party of Achashverosh was also fine and kosher but look where it lead us... we need to stand up to the challenge and not allow ourselves to be desensitized and compromise on our true tznius standards, be a little extreme( in a good way), and respect our Rabbonim!!!
(2/7/2019 10:33:55 PM)
107
WRONG
Rabonim have a responsibility to say it like it is according to Torah and NOBODY - regardless of ones financial status has the right to contradict it! No matter what cleverly disguised contradicting words he uses, it is WRONG, WRONG , WRONG.
And, people donating to our moisdos doesn"t give them the right to dictate how those moisdos should run spiritually. and if their giving money is linked to their having a say then those moisdos are better off without their money.
(2/7/2019 10:50:09 PM)
108
The follow up letter is well done
The follow up letter is nice. Either someone on his PR team told him to tone it down, or he realized on his own accord that he overstepped the boundary. Either way, respect.
(2/7/2019 11:42:29 PM)
109
what·a·bout·ism
the technique or practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counteraccusation or raising a different issue.
Also called whataboutery.
(2/8/2019 12:02:29 AM)
110
To 94
Although, your passion against the mashpiah is well placed, u need to be more careful about labeling a Jewish child. I happen to know the case that you are talking about, and the marriage is legitimit according to halacha. Any child born from that union will be 100% kosher. One who calls another Jew a mamzer is liable to get malkus as stated in the talmud, just like eating ham, but Yom Kippur will not atone for the sin of labeling a person a mamzer until forgiveness is granted by the offended party. We need to be more careful with our words. The same rabbonim who are corrupt are the ones labeling kosher Jews as mamzeirim, so why would you trust them? Dr. Goldberg
(2/8/2019 12:14:53 AM)
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Two way street
If the mic drop event featuring Rebbetzins is to not be viewed by men, then we should also do away with men leading women’s Farbrengens, especially at Seminaries and girls’ high schools. Both are inappropriate and not tzanua.
I suppose by the same token, Rebbetzins and Shluchos should not speak or give shiurim to the male congregants of their Chabad houses.
(2/8/2019 12:19:03 AM)
112
A few points.
Dear Mr Schottenstein,

If this want an issue, people wouldn't care WHAT the rabbonim would have to say. The fact people are upset with the Rabbonim is because they know there is some issue here. Lol.

What do you want the Rabbonim to say about the various other issues you mentioned? They are halachic leaders, not money people or political people who can organise rehab, free counselling and other workshops... What do you want them to say? Weed is hereby osur, abuse is hereby osur? It doesn't seem befitting of their job description as halachic leaders, not community activists or philanthropists...

We don't want to eventually, over time, come to equate our Anash, or even Shluchim, chv, to our Chabad house baale batim. If we compromise on halachic, justify cutting our beards, start eating in vegan (non certified) eateries etc, then what are we bringing non frum Jews to? Another circle of not the most frum Jews? We gotta wake up and realise that compromising never existed in the Chabad vocabulary until most recently.

Not compromising on big events, pr, Chabad houses beauty, food etc. Why start compromising now on the thing which pretty much makes us Jewish? Halacha!!?!


I do like your resoonse to the protesters though.
Anyways, hit me up with a reply.

A bochur who is concerned his kids will grow up in the remnants of what used to be Chabad but now Chabad zero.
(2/8/2019 12:28:00 AM)
113
Well said!
The ship is on fire, half the crew are dead, but the captain is sitting there fishing. Chabad is burning, half our children have been spiritually and emotionally murderered, but the rabbis are busy catching fish, for very fishy reasons.
(2/8/2019 12:35:00 AM)
114
Busha V'Charpa!!! Reb Dovid is 1000000% CORRECT
Have any of you wondered why 2/3rds of Crown Heights Beis Din is missing from this letter?????????
When it came to ABUSE they were the ONLY ones who DID issue a letter (although we need more of them). Someone posted above to prove his point but it actually backfires on him because we are missing the MAJORITY of our CROWN HEIGHTS BES DIN https://www.collive.com/show_news.rtx?id=15398&hl=Child+abuse
(2/8/2019 1:20:47 AM)
115
I am confused!
This event is not under the auspices of any religious mosdos and not even being held in crown heights! For those who care do go, are Broadway shows and bars going to become off limit?
(2/8/2019 2:06:38 AM)
116
Why does this response have any weight??
How can a guy that takes pictures with full on non tziusdikeh women, have any opinion in this?
Does he want the rebbonim to tell the it's osir to take pic like this?
(2/8/2019 7:12:20 AM)
117
He's 100% right.
Good for you. People will attack you for daring to speak up but your point is well taken and makes all the sense in the world.

The good thing about living in the modern age is that everyone DOES have a voice BH. Yes, even this "little" writer can dare to post an opinion when he sees his friends suffering and hears only silence. Don't listen to the negativity. Tune it out and keep speaking for truth.
(2/8/2019 8:27:48 AM)
118
What?
It’s not like the Rabbi’s are intimidating putting anyone in cherem, they’re rendering halachik/hashkofik guidance to those who follow and value their opinions. If you don’t, go gezunterheit.
(2/8/2019 9:08:15 AM)
119
Healthy Alternative to Mic Drop
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(2/8/2019 1:32:58 PM)
120
Go David Go
You can't always get approval from everyone, as long as your heading in the right direction...
(2/9/2019 7:12:34 PM)
121
Reality check...
You guys all bash the Rabbis (aka Rabbonim) for not addressing certain issues. Pretty fair.

Hmm...maybe we should first show them that we can listen and care about what they say....🤔
(2/9/2019 8:13:50 PM)
122
Esquire, Canada
Well written letter Mr. Schottenstein. Commentator #121, yes, pretty fair.
(2/11/2019 1:13:25 PM)
123
Yankel Todres
This "reply" doesn't make the slightest bit of sense to me. Is he saying that until the Rabbonim stop genocide and violence in Syria, Darfur and various other places throughout the world, they can't Pasken a Halacha for the Jewish residents of Crown Heights? Is he suggesting that all the ills of the world have to be corrected before HIS organization can be subjected to the rule of Halacha? At exactly what point would they become obligated to follow Halacha?
(2/11/2019 1:37:42 PM)
124
Kol Hakavod for speaking up David Schottenstein
Very well written, David Schottenstein is an excellent writer. He may not be a rav but he is an example of someone that cares about the community and does not stand passively and idle while buildings are burning. Wake up people and follow his lead to take action toward important things.

To number 111 so right, super inappropriate!
(2/12/2019 2:36:35 PM)
125
shame on them
As a victim of a system of major corruption
which caused me to fall into a vicious cycle of abuse.
My life has been destroyed by so called rabanim etc.
I will say the following. These [ I mean most not all]rabanim are guilty as charged.
They Don't give a hoot if your in a abusive relationship etc.
This is the terrible galus were in. They should be called for who they are narcissistic selfish , Just because they know a lot of gemarah chasidus etc, and know how to spin things to make them look good, only makes things worse. we need the rebbe mhm back asap. Lets dance together and really care about one another kaish echad beleiv echad.
moshiach now.
(2/12/2019 10:24:17 PM)
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