Feb 6, 2019
2 Rabbis Slam Women's MicDrop

Crown Heights Rabbis Avrohom Osdoba and Shloime Segal prohibited attendance at the upcoming "MicDrop - Wonder Woman" talks.

By COLlive reporter

Crown Heights Rabbis Avrohom Osdoba and Shloime Segal are discouraging the public from attending the upcoming spoken word event, "Wonder Woman - Series of Stories from the Superherione Next Door."

Organized as part of the MicDrop with Rosh Lowe, it typically features non-professional speakers who share a personal or impactful speech, inspiring their audience. Members of the audience later vote on their favorite speech.

The Wonder Woman events will feature 12 women who attended a preparation workshop with Rosh Lowe, a former TV news reporter who founded the MicDrop training and speaking service.

The event, "Wonder Woman - Series of Stories from the Superherione Next Door," is scheduled to take place on Thursday, February 7th and Saturday, February 9th, at the Ailey Citigroup Theatre at 405 West 55th Street in Manhattan.

But in a public letter, the two rabbis stated: "We have found that this event involves numerous halachic prohibitions, such as mixed seating, women presenting in front of men, the sharing of personal matters in public, and more."

They added that the "spirit of the event is alien for frum Jews, and how much more for Lubavitcher chassidim."

The letter comes despite the common practice of women publicly speaking to crowds of both men and women at numerous Chabad Houses and Chabad organizational events.

Public speakers Rebbetzin Esther Jungreis inspired audiences with her tale of survival and faith during the Holocaust, while Shlucha Rivka Slonim lectures internationally on Jewish observance and contemporary life.

The slate of teachers and lecturers at Judaism's largest websites, such as Chabad.org and TorahCafe.com, feature both male and female experts in their fields, and Chabad Shluchos have long been addressing their communities and Shabbatons in Crown Heights, and the National Jewish Retreat of the JLI institute.

While MicDrop events and workshops have been garnering attention, they must be seen and experienced to fully appreciate its impact on both participants and audience members, Rosh Lowe told COLlive.com.

"MicDrop was started with the intention of helping people find their voice," said Lowe, who spent seventeen years as a television news reporter and saw first hand the power of story telling as a means for connection.

"The ability to communicate is fundamental in creating an environment where people feel like they are not alone in their struggles. In fact part of micdrops method is to have the speaker use their story as a vehicle to inspire and educate an audience.

"We strongly believe that MicDrop is fully compatible with Halacha. MicDrop has no opinion on the laws of modesty, mixed seating or women presenting in front of men. We realize that some of our clients may and we welcome the opportunity to tailor our program to their needs and standards," Lowe said.

Lowe said that he and co-founder Eli Nash plan to reach out to the Rabbonim to "better explain MicDrop and what guides us. We welcome the opportunity to host a portion of our events where our program is within the guidelines of the Rabbonim so as to to offer our important service to more people within the community," he said.

The events, for both men and women, will feature 12 frum career women who will share their challenges, struggles and triumphs on topics ranging from death, life, insecurity, male chauvinism and poverty.

Two shows will take place in Manhattan, at the Ailey Citigroup Theatre at 405 West 55th Street.

1st Night: Thursday, February 7th

Featuring Katy Horowitz, Adina Miles, Mica Soffer, Faigy Vail, Chana Wasserman and Chava Witkes

Doors open at 6:30pm; Event starts at 7:15pm.

2nd Night: Saturday, February 9th

Featuring Chaya Chanin, Esti Lowenbein, Simi Polonsky, Toby Richler and Itta Werdiger

Doors open at 8:00pm; Event starts at 8:45pm.

Click here to purchase tickets.


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Opinions and Comments
1
Dont care for these events
Not that I am attending I couldnt care less for these events but it isnt taking place in Crown heights so why are these rabbis involved you cant control the world
(2/6/2019 12:52:30 PM)
2
Glad
I was wondering...
This does sound very interesting and if it was an all women's event I would be happy to attend, but it doesn't seem right halachikly. Glad the Rabonim are speaking up. Hopefully they will change this to an all women's event so that I and my many friends can join.
(2/6/2019 12:53:37 PM)
3
i dont undertand
Why is col posing a link to purchase tickets when rabbonim wrote against it?
Are they publically disregarding the Rabbonim's opinion? Just becos they don't like it?
(2/6/2019 12:56:15 PM)
4
Wow
Finally the rabbonim speaking out
Thanks collive for posting this
(2/6/2019 12:59:14 PM)
5
Thank you Rabbi Osdoba
Halacha is Halacha, like it or not
(2/6/2019 1:01:52 PM)
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1

(2/6/2019 1:03:50 PM)
7
Overblown
I've been following this story a bit. Collive commentators make this sound like it is one of the top five crises gripping the frum community today. "Oh my! MicDrop!! Where are the rabbanim speaking out against this toevah".

The organizer said he'd be willing to tailor it to the needs of the community. Just get some separate seating, the women speakers should know not to address certain issues and that's that. Why is this infinitely more evil than toastmasters or some other public speaking workshop.

Should I assume some hot heads repeatedly brought this issue to Rabbis Osdoba and Siegel, making sure they knew just how evil and corrupt this workshop is?
(2/6/2019 1:10:20 PM)
8
Yakov
Unfortunately, the problem is much larger than mike drop... many of the examples mentioned in this article of females presenting in front of male audiences are promoted by our mosdos but they are flat at wrong... you cant blame Rush for thinking he is doing something good... we have become extremely desensitized... i hope the Rabbonim keep on speaking up... we need to hear THEIR voice
(2/6/2019 1:11:06 PM)
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A few points
To quote:

Public speakers Rebbetzin Esther Jungreis inspired audiences with her tale of survival and faith during the Holocaust, while Shlucha Rivka Slonim lectures internationally on Jewish observance and contemporary life.

A few points (I don't know the answers to this)
1) Did they present in a regular Frum setting to both men and women or was it in a setting of people coming to learn more about Yiddishkiet?
2) This doesn't at all address the other points that were made in the letter about mixed seating, sharing of personal matters, and more. So it seams misleading to present it as an answer and not point out that the other things still remain.

To quote:

"A lot of people have different opinions about MicDrop, but I will say this - everyone who goes to see an event, has an experience that they won't forget," Lowe said. "So before you cast judgment, come to an event. See how you feel, see how you are inspired."

This is what everyone that wants you to buy into something does. It's literally done by everyone of these types of things that it's too many to enumerate. Can you imagine taking this approach to every such event, lifestyle, way of life, belief system, therapy, religion, etc.

Sorry but that response sounds totally misleading and dishonest.

For those who will say that we do the same, you give me the easy answer to how those 2 are different.
(2/6/2019 1:12:36 PM)
10
CHer.
Interesting A few points come to mind. Despite it being mention in previous comments.

1). Yes finally the Rabbonim are speaking out. Why arent that speaking out on safety issues in the community. Perhaps a kinus Hisorirous or something like that. Where have they been in the past very long months. Perhaps a year or so.

2) are they discouraging or forbidding ?

3) why in general are they getting involved with this event. Its not in Crown Heights or even close to it.
Do they feel that they have accomplished all arrears of issues within the community. Therefore Crown Heights is at its perfection.

4) just curious, at this day n age in CH, how many of the 2500-2700 residents (families) actually listen or even care what the Rabbonim say? (Can I guess maybe maybe 20-30%)
(2/6/2019 1:13:33 PM)
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A little respect to our Rabbonim
"2 rabbis"
"Crown Heights Rabbis Avrohom Osdoba and Shloime Segal"
Excuse me? I'm a little aware of machlokes regarding beis dins etc, but the solution isn't to disrespect and play down all people involved.
These are not "2 rabbis", they are Rabbonim (albeit possibly not getting along - I don't keep up with all the lashon hora), who are turned to and relied upon by the Crown Heights community.

"The letter comes despite the common practice of women publicly speaking"
Were the rabbonim reached out to for comment and clarification? No, they weren't, apparently because the author has already drawn his conclusions. Drawing ignorant conclusions is not reporting. This article wasn't by a "reporter", it is an editorial opinion piece pretending to be fact based in order to mislead.
(2/6/2019 1:15:17 PM)
12
Here we go again!
Let's see...what are some of the issues that are damaging our community? How about agunos? Abusive teachers? Ostentatious (opposite of tznius!) bar mitzvahs and weddings? Unpaid teachers? Unheard kids? Overworked moms and dads? Jealousy and competition getting into yeshivos and seminaries?
Issues for our community: Let me count the ways - what about impossible rents and tuitions? literally deafening music at simchas with no regard for infants or the elderly? And...of course...let's not even mention the political in-fighting that of course no one is turned off by! (Anyone been in Bais Rivkah lately?)

Are there others?
Really, does MicDrop top the list of community ills? Or does one thing have nothing to do with the other? In other words, let's pick an issue and make that THE issue, and we can wring our hands and say - about other stuff - well, at least we're dealing with this stuff!!

Hashem Yishmor!!!
(2/6/2019 1:18:29 PM)
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Some Points to Consider
1) Why are the Rabonim reacting to this if it's not happening in Crown Heights?

How can anyone honestly ask such a question after reading this article and if you've been on Collive recently. This is clearly something that is targeting the Lubavitch community and therefore relates to it. The speakers are from Crown Heights and it's targeting people in Crown Heights

2) What is wrong with with the event?

Most people asking this, probably didn't read the letter. Read the English one, it's pretty short and clear about what they are taking issue with

3) Why is Collive sharing the letter and then also sharing a link to the event?

Look at the speakers at the event
(2/6/2019 1:21:20 PM)
14
Mike
I accept that these Rabbis choose to take this route and speaking up for something they believe is not the right thing to do but my question is there are so many other things in the neighborhood that are out of control why do they pick and choose and dont speak up for a lot of other things that need to be sorted out.And please dont say we have to start somewhere
(2/6/2019 1:23:30 PM)
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To #10
Regarding your fourth point.

Of course we follow rabbonim!!!
We are yidden!!
You may have a personal nisayon, but that doesn't mean that Torah changes. Yes, yidden listen and follow rabbonim!!
(2/6/2019 1:24:51 PM)
16
Even if it's all women
The Rabbanim said they may discuss private matters, which would be prohibited.
This also presents a shialah if a woman can be a professional if it would mean professional meetings that include men and women together or if the woman would have to speak in front of men.
(2/6/2019 1:28:21 PM)
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PR Stunt
This article is merely a coverup to advocate for this Mic-Drop event.
The title is intended merely for click-bait as the article itself goes on to describe how Mic-Drop will respond and how they are in the right. Especially indicative of this, is the fact that it continues with all the necessary details for those wishing to attend, including a link to sign up.


(2/6/2019 1:28:55 PM)
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mezuyaf metocho
they start of by writing its catagorically asur (without source). then they write that shluchim could get heter. Sorry but the public is not that gullible
(2/6/2019 1:30:02 PM)
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Lubavitcher from out of town
Why does it seem like Rabonnim like to use the religous club when it suits them the most and don't propose an alternative setting to discuss these issues. As Americans you do not shut down or prohibit people from attending lectures or any event. Instead, if they have an issue they should create an alternative venue to discuss the issues being addressed at the mic drop event. Unfortunately Rabonim and Halacha institutes only interject their opinions when it comes to shunning, condemning, or prohbiting something. to add salt to the scab, These condemnations are usually impersonal, overarching, and demagoguery that appeals to the guilt of Chassidim. Instead these Rabonim need to be actively involved in the day to day lives of their communties and showing a genuine interest in their people.
However, This constant pattern of behavior from Rabonim and Institutions of Halacha is discouraging people by the dozens each time they write these mass letters.
This event is appealing to people who are looking for a positive way of expresssing issues in their daily life and encouraging each other in a public setting. Good for them.
(2/6/2019 1:30:59 PM)
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(2/6/2019 1:31:00 PM)
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Thank you!
Thank you Rabonim for speaking up!
(2/6/2019 1:33:52 PM)
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Don't change the topic
It's irrelevant whether the event is in Crown Heights or not. The fact is that it is being promoted to CHers and it isn't appropriate.

Maybe there are other issues the Rabbonim should speak up about. But that doesn't make this right.
(2/6/2019 1:36:18 PM)
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comment # 3
Thank you COL for posting the Rabbonims letter.

I am impressed that you allowed comment #3 but the question is screaming for an answer "Why is col posing a link to purchase tickets when rabbonim wrote against it?!
Are they publicly disregarding the Rabbonim's opinion?!"

Al kol peshoim techase ahava... the director of this website is one of the speakers... hence the reason for the dismissive tone of this article and the continued endorsement of this event.

As the voice of our community, col has the achrayus to act responsibly and always promote the words of our Rabbonim no matter how much they may disagree.

Looking forward to seeing the link removed and the dismissive tone changed
(2/6/2019 1:43:04 PM)
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Please Do NOT shoot the MESSENGER
The Rabonim have an obligation to guide community members.
Whether you agree or disagree with their guidance, they cannot shirk their responsibility.

COLLIVE has a mission to keep its readers informed. Thank you Mica Sofer for keeping us informed.
(2/6/2019 1:43:46 PM)
25
Do it right.
The pictures on the purchasing ticket site does not adhere to halacha. It can be a nice event if done accordingly. women speak to women on appropriate topics.
(2/6/2019 1:49:20 PM)
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Rosh Lowe is a mentch
Don't miss this golden paragraph above that's so easy to miss and show's Rosh's true emisdikeit:

"We welcome the opportunity to host a portion of our events where our program is within the guidelines of the Rabbonim so as to to offer our important service to more people within the community."

Halevai all producers have the respect that he does.

Good move, Rosh!

(2/6/2019 1:50:03 PM)
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Journalistic Integrity
I have two comments on this article, without even getting into the Mic Drop argument.

First, in the name of transparency, there should be a note before the article letting people know that one of the scheduled speakers at this event is the founder and editor of this website. Whenever there's a potential conflict of interest, it is incumbent on any journalistic outlet to disclose it, so the readers can draw their own conclusions.

Second, two Rabbis from the Crown Heights Bais Din released a ruling, and this is what the article is about. To present a counter-argument to their ruling with a quote from Rosh Lowe, saying, "We strongly believe that MicDrop is fully compatible with Halacha," is akin to writing an article on a medical issue, and countering respected medical professionals' published diagnosis with the opinion of a Hollywood influencer. To present the arguments as equal sides of the story is misleading and immoral.
(2/6/2019 1:50:41 PM)
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A "mic drop" is a sign of being boastful and conceited.
A mic drop is the gesture of intentionally dropping one's microphone at the end of a performance or speech to signal triumph. Figuratively, it is an expression of triumph for a successful event and indicates a boastful attitude toward one's own performance.

The gesture became prevalent in the 1980s, when it was used by rappers and comedians.

SOUNDS VERY JEWISH TO ME:)
(2/6/2019 1:51:56 PM)
29
Only this?
Chabad events where women are hypnotized and called up on stage to perform,dating game between husband and wife up on a stage,chinese auctions without separate viewing times for men and women... it's sad but the sensitivity to Tzneeus seems to have diminished.
(2/6/2019 1:53:13 PM)
30
yay
yay for blatant sexism!
(2/6/2019 1:53:26 PM)
31
Yakov Crosby
Women should not be talking like this in public forget about separate seating the can go give theyre own private shiurim
(2/6/2019 2:02:07 PM)
32
number 3
your right it does seem chutzpadik to do such a thing.
rabbanim dont enjoy being machmir, they have their reasons and our job is to accept their authority. we can only benefit from listening to them. we musnt be fooled into thinking we know better. we dont.
(2/6/2019 2:03:31 PM)
33
Come forward
Will the rabbis also come out against sexual predators as adamantly as they oppose women talking publicly?
Food for thought
(2/6/2019 2:10:14 PM)
34
Absolutly beautiful letter
written very well
We are very lucky to have such Rabonim B"H
May they live and be well
Thank you
(2/6/2019 2:20:57 PM)
35
As a Shlucha- I agree
There should be no women speakers speaking to a man and women audience. We don't find that with any other Chassidim. We never found it with our Rebbetzins. To be vocal at times yes. To speak to audiences No. What message do we send to our daughters going to Chitrik and Beis Rivkah dress tznius but when you are married your sheital can go to the ground and you can talk to men and women.

Thank you Rabbi Osdoba. We need Tznius women heros for our girls that represent the Rebbetzins .
(2/6/2019 2:21:26 PM)
36
The Rabonim Shared Their Piece
Take it or leave it. The Rabonim are in position to help clarify for those that choose to be guided by their guidance.

Let us not be fooled. The Rabonim will soon pass on, and the direction of how you wish to choose a way to live life will present itself without their guidance. Wise up. Live up, soon it'll be your turn that life changes form.

Quit clowning around - give all the life that you can while you can. You want to witness brave women share their guts in words from a position of power?
You want to see what it looks like for people to be scared AND courageous with all the differing opinions around them along with the many ones playing in their own heads?
You want to enter a space where people chose action in life?

You have a platform.

Life is full of choices.

Live yours.
(2/6/2019 2:21:39 PM)
37
Since these Rabbis...
are so dedicated to protecting the Sanctity of women, perhaps they would finally be ready to participate in a serious day of learning with Rabbi A. Twersky and other trained specialists to educate themselves about Domestic Violence right here in our community? Then they can become true leaders and devote themselves to saving women's mental, physical and ruchnius heath and that of future generations. Much more important than a one night event.
(2/6/2019 2:22:51 PM)
38
Thank you rabbis!
You just guaranteed double the attendance at this amazing event!
(2/6/2019 2:36:56 PM)
39
Why are Rabbonim getting involved?
The rabbonim are trying to shield the community from another form of pritzus.
Not to mention that some of these women are not remotely frum, and even encourage untznius nius clothing with their business
(2/6/2019 2:37:59 PM)
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The part I find funny
At the end of article; click here to buy tickets
(2/6/2019 2:39:26 PM)
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#10
They don't forbid or discourage. According to the title of the article they slam.
(2/6/2019 2:40:01 PM)
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Respect
Perhaps "slam" is not the most respectful word to use, when discussing Rabbonim? This event is being promoted to the CH community, so it's understandable why they are stating their opinion. Obviously people have free choice, but I think we all need to at least give this letter some respect, and think about what it says!
(2/6/2019 2:41:05 PM)
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Just a thought
Dear Rabbis, news flash, nobody cares about what you say.

You couldn't care less about the community, and everyone knows it. So when you abandoned the community about serious issues but pipe up everytime something isin't "frum" enough to your standards. If you do your job, do your job fully!
(2/6/2019 2:43:19 PM)
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We feel?
Why didnt u get a Rabbi to defend micdrop and the speakers. A lot better than writing we feel unfortunately the torah was given to people and people have to make decisions based k. The facts presented. If collive has a Rabbi that defends micdrop, why dont they post his name. ? ( similar to Eruv issue CH base din said no, but other Rabbis said yes)
(2/6/2019 2:46:00 PM)
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So obviously one sided!
The headline "Rabbonim slam event" is sadly just as much of a media slant against the right as we see in the secular media. Before even opening the article it's already clear that the site is mocking, or criticizing at best, the psak of the local rabbonim.
(2/6/2019 2:50:12 PM)
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Oi meh Haya lanu
I would be so overjoyed if this comment will be published but if course it won't be...
With COLLIVEs founder presenting as a "wonder woman".... Contrary to daas Torah... We all see what their standard are.
Scary that people think this website decides chabad standards?
(2/6/2019 3:15:26 PM)
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What is the Big Deal
These are the issues that we will fight about? C'mon Crown Heights. Big Deal if some women want to speak and share their opinions. This idea that listening to Woman give a speech is a horrible thing, is just ridiculous. Stop it. Enough is Enough, and let people live their Lives.
(2/6/2019 3:20:26 PM)
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There is a separate problem
Lets put aside Halacha for a second (not in a degrading way Chas vSholom).
We have many brave woman with two goals in mind during this performance.
A. To inspire the crowd and spread AWARENESS to others on topics that may not be known amongst the communities.
B. To help themselves overcome this topic by speaking publicly about it and boosting their confidence.

So Halacha does not permit mixed seating. I get it. But many events now a days have mixed seating (Im not saying this is ok) but its facts. And there is nothing done about it (ie. Rabonim sending out notices prohibiting it.) So why are they suddenly waking up when there is a controversial event happing? Just because they dont agree with the concepts doesnt mean they have to bring in Halacha into it to enforce somthing they dont agree on.
Also there is nowhere in Halacha that states someone can not share somthing personal in public.
What message am I trying to get across? This is somthing that needs to be done! We need to bring awareness to our communities in order to prevent and educate people on things that yes, are sensitive and gentle but must be said and taught.
And to the rabonim: Im sorry. This is somthing that each person needs to take in to account. Its not fair to prohibit people from going to a place that is trying to HELP out communities. Its just not right. .
All the best in everyones decision making...
(2/6/2019 3:27:30 PM)
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to all the nay sayers against the bes din
who care what the beis din knows or doesnt know? ther is a mitzva to listen to bes din! ain adam shomea li umafsid says the rambam! we must listen to beis din and everything will be ok!
daas baal habatim neged daas torah. get over yourselves and be machnia to beis din like regulare frum jews
(2/6/2019 3:38:30 PM)
50
Yes 37!
100%.
Wake up and smell the strong scent of coffee brewing in your neighborhood of much unhealthiness.
Address that first.

Address the fact that the rabonim fight like tantrumming toddlers amongst themselves.When you respect each other ,you'll earn respect.
First make peace and then preach about halacha.
(2/6/2019 3:40:33 PM)
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Power of women
It's not only the voice of the woman that the rabbis fear.It is the power behind her voice. .
The women of today speak truth and will continue to speak it ,even if their voice quivers .
Women are no longer sitting in the dark keeping silent.They will uncover everything that is unjust and untrue.No stone will be left unturned.
It is the voice of truth that these rabbis fear.

Keep speaking.
(2/6/2019 3:48:32 PM)
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Please think before writing (and acting)
Woah!
A Rav of our community says not to go, and people say yes/no/why? Is that how Torah halacha works? The psak din of a. Rav is a Psak Din, if we are Torah observant. Are we??
(2/6/2019 3:53:52 PM)
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I Don't Understand
There is a missing link in this article
In the letter the rabonim clearly differentiate between the high standards anash need to adhere to, and heteirem that some shluchim may rely on in a time of sha'as hadchak.
How then is mentioning the fact that some shluchos give shiurim in front of men, supposed to be a counter argument against the rabbonim's letter?
(2/6/2019 3:58:21 PM)
54
"Blur her face,"they said.
First they want her face blurred on a Kingston Ave.store sign and then they want her silenced.
Are burkas next?
(2/6/2019 4:05:55 PM)
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Thank you Rabbonim!
ty, appreciate it !! well said and so true!
(2/6/2019 4:07:39 PM)
56
Osdoba v Braun
Kings Supreme Court - #0502137/2013
Osdoba, Avrohom vs. Braun, Yosef
Justice Name: Kathy J. King
06/06/2013 - 01/29/2019
Where is the Heter to go to court?
(2/6/2019 4:14:22 PM)
57
Sad comments here
1) The Rabonim and everyone in the community is against abuse. Youre bringing up a complete straw man argument that has nothing to do with anything.

2) The Rabonim are rightfully and thankfully responding to something of concern to the community and the silent majority is grateful for that.

3) Admit it or not, so many of the comments against the Rabonim are coming from negative and hateful people that attach whoever doesnt agree with them and then accuse others of that very thing. Theyre being plain nasty as many others in todays world. If you have an opinion that respects anything religious or holy to you, theyll hatefully attach you for being hateful and associate your lifestyle and choices to a million unrelated things like abuse and other such things. Im sure there are many unpleasant things in every community, thats sadly everywhere. The places speaking loudest about it, arent very pretty themselves.

4) Thank you thank you thank you Rabonim for speaking up. Some things are more dangerous and more subtly dangerous to a community than others. Thank you Rabonim for speaking up

5) Those who disagree are welcome to disagree. Just have a little respect and basic Mentchlichkiet (humanity) for this community and our Rabonim to decide what we would like to do and the standards and lifestyle we choose. Youre free to not listen to the Rabonim, let and respect those who do.
(2/6/2019 4:30:31 PM)
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I agree
When our Rabbonim finally get involved we criticize them. So terrible you think you can do what you want without asking a Rov!
(2/6/2019 4:36:20 PM)
59
ridiculous
Let ppl live.
(2/6/2019 4:53:57 PM)
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Mendel Engel
Honestly whether or not I agree with the letter is not why I'm posting. When a letter of Rabbanim is posted, it shouldn;t be open for comments.
(2/6/2019 5:00:56 PM)
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People are funny
If rabbis say an esrog is not kosher, nobody gets excited. They just accept the psak But if it is about micdrop or some other politically correct issue omg why are getting involved with this instead of caring about all the starving people in china???
Let's keep halacha, listen to rabbonim and not go according to emotions. Moach shalit al halev
(2/6/2019 5:03:03 PM)
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48 putting aside halacha
No, that is a bigger problem. We never ever put halacha aside...
(2/6/2019 5:06:09 PM)
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#59
There is a reason why hashem said there should be rabbonim and they're job is to make sure yiddin follow the torah.

What do u mean by let ppl live may be we should now have police and law enforcement so we should just let ppl live?...
(2/6/2019 6:14:03 PM)
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It just breaks my heart.
It hurts so much to see the level of tznius going down. How can we correct this?
(2/6/2019 6:18:52 PM)
65
This event
this event Should only be open for woman,why is it open for men?? ,the Rabonim are100% correct
(2/6/2019 6:23:10 PM)
66
I won't be going
The topic of male chauvinism seems like a dog whistle to extreme feminists. This disturbs me and I won't support something it because of that.
(2/6/2019 6:23:59 PM)
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Sharing one's personal matters in public is against halacha?
I would love to know the source of this halacha.
(2/6/2019 6:28:54 PM)
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#54 Blur her face
Right Burkas are next. You don't have to like Judaism, but the least you can do is to respect others that want to live that way.

Anyone can fun of what someone else does. Whoever is more religious is too religious and whoever is more "liberal" is too liberal.

You're free to do what you want, let others do the same.

The hate coming from people who don't agree is so palpable. Nobody is hating on what you do, just putting out what is and is not allowed for those who want to know what the Rabonim of this community are saying about this matter.
(2/6/2019 6:30:48 PM)
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#60
Mendel your getting it wrong. COL endorses this event. So of course they want to stir controversy and open up the comments...
(2/6/2019 6:41:49 PM)
70
nebach rabbonim
This is what they have time for. A family member has been begging for the rabbonim to help with an agunah situation, they have no headspace, ideas, or time to help. They do have time to tell the shchunah at large how to act.
Fakerei. To help an individual in private, no. To make statements in public, this yes.
(2/6/2019 7:04:52 PM)
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Innocent people
The women speaking up in public are sadly exposing their pain in front of a large crowd. Its very sad and painful that people dont care to be made vulnerable all for some silly stint. I know the women who backed out of the Miami Micdrop when they finally realized it was all for MicDrop.
If anyone was really interested in learning public speaking techniques there are plenty of professional places that teach and its more then a two class series.
The problem with micdrop is that it seems that they like controversy within Yiddishkeit and love all the publicity they are getting. For them its all about making money. For the public speakers its who has a more compelling and insane story to share (some bashing the name of the aibisheter). We must stand up for our holy torah!
(2/6/2019 7:05:25 PM)
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If you feel its not for you dont go.
But as for rabonim, pls stop telling women where and when they can breath! Rosh and Eli thank you for giving our community such opportunities!

Btw if a lubavitch woman gave such a speech on a Ted talk or anywhere else for that matter it wld be plastered all over as a kiddush Hashem so why cant this be as well(?!) Bec its catered to our community?!!!! Get your standards straight and stop making up halachos. There is a big difference between Halacha and chumra- if youre stating something dont make your stringency Torah!
I will be attending!
(2/6/2019 7:18:27 PM)
73
It's about time!
I'm so happy the Rabbonim spoke up against this.
And yes why are there tickets being sold on the same article?
It's not right
(2/6/2019 7:33:24 PM)
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#72
The Rabonim are saying their ruling. Do you want to control their speech? You're trying to control them because you think they're trying to control others by simply doing their job of making a Psak Din.

And maybe by a Ted Talk it is ok and not for us. What's so difficult to understand about that? A Chabad and Anash catered event is obviously different than one catering to other communities. Any member of this community should understand this simple difference.

Why all the antagonism? Everyone is free to do what they want including going against the Psak Din of the Rabonim, Rachmana Litzlan. You want them to change because you have your opinion, that's a very strange way of looking at things.
(2/6/2019 7:38:39 PM)
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RABBIS CAUSING MORE EMBARRASSMENT TO THIS COMMUNITY
I DON'T HAVE ANY OPINION ON THIS MICDROP AND SO I WILL JUST KEEP MY MOUTH SHUT ON SOMETHING I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT.
BUT I DO HAVE AN OPINION AND ACTUALLY A HUGE ISSUE WITH THE RABBIS PICKING AND CHOOSING WHEN THEY WANT TO GET INVOLVED AND TAKE AN ACTIVE ROLE AS "RABBIS" IN THIS COMMUNITY. JUST A SHORT TIME AGO A DISGUSTING ACT WAS COMMITTED AGAINST HARDWORKING SOFRIM IN THIS COMMUNITY. INSTEAD OF THE RABBIS TAKING A STAND AND EVEN IF THEY DIDN'T AGREE AT LEAST CLARIFY WHAT THEIR STAND WAS, AND AT THE MINIMUM CALL OUT ON THE TREMENDOUS DISGRACE THAT WAS CAUSED TO INNOCENT PEOPLE. THEN. THE THE RABBIS REMAINED SILENT!!! SILENT!! NOT A SINGLE WORD! AND NOW THEY ARE TALKING AND EXPECT TO BE LOOKED AT AS AUTHORITY. LET ME BE CLEAR RABBIS CAN'T JUST PICK AND CHOOSE WHEN THEY WANT TO USE THEIR TITLE WHEN THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE HEADING A COMMUNITY AND EXPECT THE PEOPLE TO LISTEN!!
AND UNLIKE YOU RABBIS, WE WILL NOT BE SILENT!!
(2/6/2019 7:39:52 PM)
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2 Rabbis Slam Women's MicDrop
They are called Rabbis and not the Rabonim of the community

And they slam as in doing a violent action

It's more like "Community Rabonim comes out against/Asser MicDrop"

All those telling the Rabonim what to do, I'm sure you have advice for the President, the Senate, Congress, and many others of what they should be doing as well. Do what you need to be doing and don't worry about what the Rabonim need to do. Enough keyboard warriors
(2/6/2019 7:52:11 PM)
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Rabonim
As far as I know there are only 3 rabonim in crown heights and rabbi Segel is not one of them
(2/6/2019 7:53:13 PM)
78
Those who say/imply the Rabbinom silence women;
You are all wrong.
This is not about trying to "shut women up", stop them from 'telling the truth", covering them with burkas, or stop them from giving TED Talks.

What's it's about is stopping an anti Torah, anti male, feminist agenda from infiltrating the Torah community, under the disguise of "healing" and 'empowerment'.


TV is and Hollywood are rife with families putting their lives on TV as reality shows, and doing so causes one divorce after another, and those who don't get divorced still have their problems increased in number and magnified.
They do not get solved by being put out in public.

Putting them in public only leads to Loshon Hara.

Now, perhaps those who are for this event will say that the Laws of loshon Hara are "made up", as well?

(2/6/2019 8:02:24 PM)
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COL is not above Rabonim
I hope you post this, as it is clear that COL has an interest in the event because the editor is 1 of the speakers.
As many commented, this "OpEd" is a marketing stunt to publicize the event.
But it's sad that this has to ride on the back of Rabonim.
Regardless of any politics in the community of between Rabonim, this way of presenting the Rabonim's "opinion" and then bringing "other opinions" and even straight out invitation info, is a Chutzpa!
If you beleive the Rabonim are making a mistake or are misinformed, or that this shouldn't be of their jurisdiction etc, bring it to their attention in a respectful manner and post their response, without ignoring or mocking their directive!
(2/6/2019 8:03:38 PM)
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Face it
I'm sorry but u gotta face it. U know ur wrong and the rabbanim are right. The words of rabbanim are halacha. We just recently had in parshas mishpatim how u have to go to a beis din literally IN THE TORAH. Hashem says it. Why else would we have a beis din? Hashem foresaw everything that we will be going through all the problems and machlokeses we will sadly be going through where people are just so confused. And that's why we have a beis din to help is and show us what's wrong and right. U could say ohh why are they getting involved now. Or why are they getting involved at all. Or why do they care. Or why is it wrong. I'll tell u why. The beis din has their special mitzvos that tells them their OBLIGATION is to teach bneo yisroel mitzvos. I would like so wine to say straight to my face that it's ok and the right thing to do to have women pouring out their heart and telling their personal life story in front of a mixed crowd. U have a mashpia for this. U have family for this. U have friends for this. Why is it soon cool to say it in front of men? Is it that important to u to finally be famous? And besides all that let's get back to why Hashem made a mitzvah to have a beis din in the first place? For exactly this!! When there's a machlokes like this ( when there shouldn't even be one) you listen to the beis din and their final word is law. To make fun of them, to ouright talk disgustingly about them is literally making fun of Hashem (chas vesholom). They are doing the right thing and u know it. U wanna do this kinda thing go to a conservative or reform synogouge. Don't think that this is ok behavior. Btw this is what non lubavitch think of lubavitchers as. They say look they're always fighting. They preach about moshiach and everything and then they have mixed crowds by events. And also what Baal teshuavas think. They finally find the beauty of tznius and everything and then they see SHLUCHOS dressing not tznius and chabad women talking in front of mixed crowds. Additionally what do u think it kids think when they go on COL and see all this fighting? I can tell u personally cuz I happen to be a teenager seeing all this. Baruch Hashem my parents are doing the right thing but what ur kids are thinking when they see all of this? in school we talk about tznius and not talking to boys and everything and some girls go home to their mother's not wearing shaitels, dressing not tznius, going or even running mixed events... And the u wonder why it kids are going OTD and frying out and hanging out with the wrong kids and hanging out with boys and dressing completely not tznius. BECAUSE THEY LOOK AT YOU AND THEY SEE WHAT UR DOING AND THEY SEE THAT ITS OK. And that's why at least for ur own children's sake to do the right thing.anyway, back on topic, it's a shame and a big chillul Hashem and chillull chabad to do such a thing. And to say it's right and it's ok is just crazy. May Hashem give u the strength to pull through ur challenges and influence others to do the right thing. Moshiach Now!
(2/6/2019 8:09:00 PM)
81
#37 spot on.
6/2019 2:21:39 PM)
37
Since these Rabbis...
are so dedicated to protecting the Sanctity of women, perhaps they would finally be ready to participate in a serious day of learning with Rabbi A. Twersky and other trained specialists to educate themselves about Domestic Violence right here in our community? Then they can become true leaders and devote themselves to saving women's mental, physical and ruchnius heath and that of future generations. Much more important than a one night event.
(2/6/2019 8:09:18 PM)
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The true wonder women
Are the heroines who are raising a Dor yeshorim mevoiroch, faithfully instilling yiddishkeit and chassidishkeit into their homes and children, who use their feminine wisdom and qualities to be the foundation of their home, and they do not expect any recognition or fame in return.

These are far from victims of sexism. These are queens.
Like our Rebbetzin Chaya Mushka and like Rochel, the wife of Rabbi Akiva, who rather than being submissive, led their husbands to be of the greatest Jewish leaders in history.

Ashreinu that we have such heilige women in our community, they are the ones who will bring Moshiach.
(2/6/2019 8:18:05 PM)
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The future is with the kids today
While all the adults are arguing, the kids were busy taking the chidon test #3. These kids will know the Torah. They will know all the mitzvos. They will do the right thing
(2/6/2019 8:59:46 PM)
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77 comment
Please list the rabonim for all of us to know which three we all have to listen to
(2/6/2019 9:14:21 PM)
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bring on the shadows, moshiach is here
Fear of expressing ourselves and the darker sides of our lives is not Torah, it is not Halacha. Read a page of Gemara or Chassidus. Sharing our struggles is part of how we grow together, how we see that not everyone is perfect, and that there's never a point in assuming everyone else has it easy - instead, we can learn from how others have overcome hard times. Organizations like Neshamos and MicDrop are bringing that to the people in a brave way that is changing how we view conformity in our communities, and educating people that it's okay to be themselves.
The Alter Rebbe said that the voice of the woman is a powerful part of Moshiach - by listening to the woman's voice, we reach the level of Mesameach Chassan Im HaKallah, through Kol Chassan v'Kol Kallah. Stopping these voices from speaking is the Klipos of today preventing this holy transformation from taking place, which means Moshiach is not too far away.
(2/6/2019 10:34:03 PM)
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Is this fake news??
Did anyone actually call this organization to verify that they actually wrote this letter? I know someone who called them and they denied ever writing it in the first place!!
(2/7/2019 9:14:05 AM)
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Up next..
Up next.... Crown Heights ban child abusers from going to public mikvahs... JK JK We have "real" issues to solve here.
(2/7/2019 10:43:08 AM)
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Women of Chabad
must confirm to roles defined for them by Chabad social structure, rabbonim and female community leaders. Women must comply with current rabbinical interpretations of Jewish law, including how to dress and act in public. How does micdrop event fit in with the above?
(2/7/2019 1:46:33 PM)
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We need a modesty squad in crown heights
Too many young women not tzneus. We need change.
(2/7/2019 5:56:10 PM)
90
To #77
Every person can choose there own rabbi.
(2/7/2019 6:15:13 PM)
91
Sad
It pains me that we have come to this sad level of Tznius. Kuddos to the Rabonim for standing up for the true standards of tznius which our Rebbitzen did uphold.
(2/7/2019 8:50:49 PM)
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