Jan 6, 2019
Letter Forewarned Cheap Mezuzos

In 1986, the Crown Heights Beis Din warned local Sofer Stams that the small mezuzos that are low-cost "should not be sold at all."

By COLlive reporter

The recent controversy about the kosher validity of small low-cost mezuzos and the modus operandi of the Sofer Stam industry brought some back to a document written in 1986.

On Friday, 24 Kislev 5747, the eve of the first night of Chanukah, the Crown Heights Beis Din (Badatz) issued a public letter to all sofrim (scribes), magihim (reviewers) and sellers of Stam, an acronym for Sefer Torah, Tefillin and Mezuza.

Rabbi Yehuda Kalmen Marlow OBM, Rabbi Avrohom Osdoba and Rabbi Yosef Heller didn't write what prompted the letter, but it is clear they tried to impose standards on a market with little transparency.

While there is a great demand for Stam, they wrote, there is a lot of improper Stam on the market, "or at least ones that aren't optimally kosher (lechatchila) and enhanced kosher (mehudar)," they wrote.

The 3 rabbis then spelled out 9 regulations "so that there would be no impediment in our neighborhood," as a Mezuzah which is pasul (non-kosher) is known to create harm instead or protection.

Among the rules were that all scrolls, batim (boxes) and retzuos (straps) should undergo "rigorous review" and that their writers should be known as "G-d fearing and expert," whether stemming from Israel or written locally.

"The small mezuzos which many of them are written without the required accuracy, and are missing tagim (crowns on letters) etc., should not be sold at all even after a review of the magihim here," they stated.

They also demanded that all sofrim and magihim in the neighborhood appear before the Badatz and show their credentials and that they revisit the halachos of Stam in Shulchan Aruch at least once a year.

As reported on COLlive.com, a private research conducted by R' Yisrael Dovid Wolf of Chicago accused Stam merchants in Crown Heights of selling small low-cost Mezuzos which are non-kosher.

Merchants responded by claiming their scrolls indeed undergo a careful review after being written and before being sold. They are calling Wolf to a Din Torah at Vaad Rabbonei Lubavitch in Crown Heights, which runs independently of the Crown Heights Beis Din which is fractured today into 2 entities.


Most Read Most Comments




Opinions and Comments
1
Wow
Miyad wolf did an incredible job in bringing this scandal to life
Thank you. I have just checked my teffilin in your merit by a reliable sofer in ch.

Thank you
(1/6/2019 3:39:53 PM)
2
Mezuzos can be too expensive
I know one place in Crown Heights that sells mezuzos for $35.I never got one from them but a friend of mine did. But I kept their number cause I can't afford to pay tons of money for a mezuzah. I am not an expert in mezuzos. I am sure these rabbis know much better than I do. But I hope that there is a real need for this stringency. Because I would hate to see someone not get a mezuzah because they can't afford one. And the only ones available are really expensive.
(1/6/2019 3:45:25 PM)
3
btw
according to this psak, all the cheap ones are not supposed to be sold even by machon stam, because the only reason why machon stams were found better was because he fixed up issues. and he does not know who the sofer who wrote it is.
(1/6/2019 3:49:51 PM)
4
WOLF IS 100% right
I give him credit!!!!!! He did exactly what the BAIS DIN THEN said. THESE MEZUZUS now are even worse. Then there a only a couple hundred chabad houses now though with thousands this MEZUZAH boiler house makes are pumping out millions of cheap questionable mezuzus. I suspect that the people calling WOLF to a DT will find out that in the end their names and there store names and thei business will suffer. This has been a long time coming !!! Don't sell cheap stuff. A big sofer today told me that the Rebbe who instituted the huge INYAN of checking mEZUZOS for people when their sick etc parnossah problems. !! DAVKA HIS NEIGHBOHOOD sells the worst level of MEZUZOS to people. And now you wonder how these questionsable MEZUZUS and Tefilin will have HASHPAH on the peoples family and health. SHAME ON U
(1/6/2019 4:00:04 PM)
5
Woolf
Wolf will not get impartial hearing especially now the CH Beis Dins earlier involvement is known and revealed
VRL and CH Beis Din are diametrically in conflict

He does not need advice but just thought it important to put this out in the ether
(1/6/2019 4:00:59 PM)
6
Answer
Merchants responded by claiming their scrolls indeed undergo a careful review after being written and before being sold.

IN THE PSAK IT SAYS EVEN IF THEY UNDERWENT CHECKING THEY ARE NO GOOD AND IT IS ASUR TO SELL THEM.
(1/6/2019 4:01:37 PM)
7
adding fuel to the fire!
Yes that is what this article has done before all facts are ascertained I have yet to see who his sofer is & How & what the Sofer is benefitting from it besides publicity
(1/6/2019 4:09:18 PM)
8
The real problem
With all due respect to the Rabbonim

very few of them know the Halochos of STAM

This is a real problem

Now is the time to establish a kollel or the like to learn the halochos!!
(1/6/2019 4:27:39 PM)
9
Chaim Stein
Wolf has made a series of very serious claims.
The merchants mentioned in his expose have called him to Din Torah.
We now need to wait for the next step.
(1/6/2019 4:31:24 PM)
10
Different mezuzah
This psak is regarding other mezuzah please let the people who actually know safrus explain things.
(1/6/2019 4:32:37 PM)
11
To rabbi wolff
Please retract your letter before it is too late, there are many opinions that hold these mezuzahs are kosher. Just because there are more stringent opinions does not make it right.
There are many times we pasken according to a more lenient opinion and there are times we make exceptions and pasken leniently for those who do not have so much money.
So please learn the laws and speak to the more veteran sofrim
(1/6/2019 4:36:20 PM)
12
Who is in charge in Lubavitch
This is so irresponsible how is someone allowed to come out and say even if true that hundreds of thousands of mezuzahs are pusul without any Rabbinic authority backing him up.
(1/6/2019 4:48:22 PM)
13
Comment 7
You are totally insane. The sofer went on camera and regardless of who he is, the images of the mezuzahs are on public display, anyone can show them to any sofer they like...no sofer will say they are all kosher
(1/6/2019 4:53:05 PM)
14
Reb Wolf 100% correct
The sofrim should be worried about the bais din above for selling such garbage. The beis din should disallow them from selling STaM. Even one passul mezzuzah is putting a bomb in someones house. This is very serious.
(1/6/2019 4:53:13 PM)
15
Please get your facts straight
The Mezuzas subject to this week scandal are NOT the small ones discussed in the letter. To suggest otherwise is irresponsible
(1/6/2019 4:57:07 PM)
16
Humble Harry [Unspoken Truth]
I feel Any Company Selling ANY Religious Artifacts for PROFIT or financial gain Should abide by All Rules & Regulations. This experiment exposed many corporations..but I Must say Rabbi Shapiro Has ALWAYS Provided Great Service to me & My Family.
(1/6/2019 5:00:14 PM)
17
Great job Rabbi Wolfe
The responsibility is CLEARLY ON THE SELLER wheter a retailer or sofer whether Halachicly or by New York laws

Rabbi Wolfe did not blame or slander anyone he merely and COURAGEOUSLY stated the facts

AND YES WE ALL HAVE A RIGHT TO CHECK THE ACCOUNTABILITY OF THE SOFER, MERCHANT, SHOCHTIM, BUTCHER, TEACHER ECT ECT

No one is blaming anyone here except for the merchants themselves

Of course you wont marry off tour child to a "questionable baal teshuvah but you will sell a yid of " lesser quality " in your opinion the lesser quality mezuzas

Sofer and merchants PLEASE stop your Chuzpah and just start doing better tomorrow.

With ahavas Yisroel..... we forgive you sofer and or merchant PLEASE just resolve to better and make teshuvah
(1/6/2019 5:02:58 PM)
18
Rabbi Pinchos Woolstone
Each time a controversy of a communal nature erupts in Crown Heights I ask myself the question, would a united harmonious Beis Din ameliorate against such lamentable situations.
(1/6/2019 5:23:08 PM)
19
Not the same thing.
The Rabboinm in the letter were taking about Mezuzos that were 5cm or less, those Mezuzos are not sold anywhere in Crown Heights.
(1/6/2019 5:26:06 PM)
20
forwarned ???
Forbid!!!
(1/6/2019 5:42:42 PM)
21
Its just not worth it
Why would someone sit down and take the time and effort to write a posul mezuzah? Take an extra few minutes to do it well. Whats the gain in making a poor product? Might gain a few bucks in this world, but will see huge losses in the next. Its essentially selling for a few dollars.
(1/6/2019 5:57:00 PM)
22
To all the commentators
The merchants via VRL are calling MYD wolf for a din Torah. NOT to determine if the the kashrus of the mezuzos but rather to determine if what MYD wolf did in bashmutzing these merchants is OK halachically. We have a Torah of 613 mitzvos- jusr likenthere are halachos regarding kosher mezuzos there are also halachos regarding proper business practices and lashon hara
(1/6/2019 6:04:14 PM)
23
To # 9
Rabbi Heller Shlita is a MUMCHA GODOL in STAM and a Mumcha in CHecking STAM and a Mumcha in checking letters and Tagim
(1/6/2019 6:07:41 PM)
24
TO # 15
YES ! 100% they are the same. Then they were 18 dollars now 30 years later those same cheap ones are 30 dollars. Again in the letter is says IT IS ILLEGAL TO SELL THEM EVEN WITH CHECKING]
(1/6/2019 6:08:55 PM)
25
To #3
It's known that machon stam Constantly takes guidance from one of those 3 rabbis Rabbi Heller shlita.

How do you know that machon stan does not know who the sofer is.?? As a principle they only have STAM from sofrim with ksav kabala. And I come highly recommended Even for the less expensive ones.

Fron A shliach Who got burnt from others and became a customer at machon stam.
(1/6/2019 6:33:25 PM)
26
beis din
if he is being brought to a beis din can wolf choose which one to go to ?
(1/6/2019 6:35:33 PM)
27
Chicagoin
I never heard of this sofer and Wolf's father doesn't even use him. His father brings good sofrim from out of town each year to check tefillin and mezuzos. Why is wolf trusting him
(1/6/2019 6:36:17 PM)
28
Rabbi wolf
Thank you for your mesirus nefesh
(1/6/2019 7:18:17 PM)
29
to #19
nowhere in the letter does it say small mezuzois of 5 cm. it says small mezuzois that are not written with the proper care and are missing crowns etc should not be sold
sounds familiar.
if someone will offer proof that a shoichet is using a very questionable chalif will you say its loshon horeh to expose that fact.? Rabbi Wolf at great personal expense and cost is having mesiras s nefesh mamesh for the tzibur
(1/6/2019 7:20:39 PM)
30
VRL
The Toanim have nothing to fear VRL will not find against them
Too many involved interests
That is why VRL was chosen
Wolf has the right to chose the Beis Din in any event so the ball is firmly in his court
(1/6/2019 7:38:26 PM)
31
Then and Now
There is no question that the situation today is better than it was in 1986 and that the bulk of the mezuzos sold then - on coated parchment, very small, and completely without tagin - are no longer being sold in Crown Heights.
HOWEVER, some of the other issues raised in the 1986 letter are still relevant and should be applied going forward. The merchants should not fight with the messenger but rather deal with the issue directly.
1) Every mezuzah should be traceable back to the person who wrote it. If a sofer is a G-d fearing person but needs to work quickly and is not so skilled such that he can write a mezuzah and only be paid $20, fine. But we still need to be able to verify that he knows the basic halachos and that he can be trusted not to have written a mezuzah with invisible flaws that make it invalid. The dealer in the home country must have an okay from a Rav to approve each sofer whose mezuzos he sells and a code to identify which are from whom.
2) The US merchant must check every mezuzah and be prepared to provide a note from the checker with his name stating that it is kosher, either lechatchila or bedieved.

(1/6/2019 8:17:56 PM)
32
its no paralell ITS NO PARALELL
A SHAALA IF ITS KOSHER OR NOT IS ONE THING. BUT TO SELL TEFILIN WITH NO PARSHES..... WE MUST DO T S H U V A
(1/6/2019 8:21:20 PM)
33
Hello
I heard half the stores have taken their names off the hazmonah
(1/6/2019 8:59:40 PM)
34
VRL beware
It is well known of the shtar that litigants need to sign before the beis din. It allows the Beis Din to adjudicate in anyway they feel. If this is incorrect. VRL speak up and bring transparency to your actions. 1) If the shtar is signed does the Bd need to make a psak according to Halacha? (Just remember if you say yes the floodgates could open). If there is going to be a bd make sure it is based on Halacha with transparency. Watch that shtar.
(1/6/2019 9:33:35 PM)
35
To 31
Bdieved isn't a grade of Kashrus. It means that such a product may not be used, but however post facto, one has fulfilled his obligation. You can't sell a Bdieved product. That's categorically Assur.
(1/6/2019 9:38:56 PM)
36
Hazmonah
I spoke tonight to 3 or the people on the hazmonah to wolf and they have taken their name off the against rabbi wolf

2 said they never authorized there name to used on the
(1/6/2019 9:41:48 PM)
37
I have a video - COMING SOON!
I went with 2 witnesses to 10 eateries in Crown Heights.

I ordered a leafy vegetable salad in each place.

I placed each salad in a zip lock bag marked by a number reserved for each eatery and took the bags home.

I invited 2 mashgichim from established kashrus organizations to inspect the salads for insects.

Video results:

9 out of the 10 eateries have salad with at least 3 insects in them!

Only ONE eatery had salad with no insects in it - Mermelstein's!

COMING SOON TO YOUTUBE!!!
(1/6/2019 9:54:20 PM)
38
facts
- Rabonim know nothing about stam (or shchita, mikvaos or any other torah topic)
- Rabonim are biased and will certainly violate the basic Torah law to judge the rich and the poor equally
(source: anonymous comments)
(1/6/2019 10:21:34 PM)
39
Verification/ hechsher
What I see here from the letter in 5747 is that the merchants cannot get off the hook by blaming their suppliers... but they have to take responsibility for knowing the individual sofer who is writing these questionable/ on kosher Mezuzos...

Also, why is it that there is not single Mocher Stam in Crown Heights who carries the Hashgacha of either faction of the Crown Heights Beis din, while the food industry does?!
(1/6/2019 11:53:41 PM)
40
just for the humor...
look at all the different spellings! its wolf, not wolfe, woolf, or anything like that, and its written right above. LOL
(1/7/2019 12:07:43 AM)
41
Gratuitous Advice
Arbitration agreement one signs in every Beis Din whether in USA or UK is a secular legal document drawn up by clever Jewish religious lawyers who draft with a propensity to favour the Beis Din
Beis Din never allow this document to be reviewed by the parties independent lawyer
Arbitration Act is a fair balanced Act with protection for the parties all the parties
However as amended it is clearly an unfair document
Therefore you really need to chose a Beis Din who is known for its yiras shomyim sadly we all know which Beis Din to avoid but few know which Beis Din to pick
It should be shared publicly leTovas HoRabbim
Never sign anything which you dont full comprehend
(1/7/2019 3:23:30 AM)
42
" VRL " ?
BESIDES THE ISSUE OF THE REBBE STATING- " WHO CREATED THEM" , THE PRESENT ISSUE FALLS UNDER THE DOMAIN OF THE LOCAL BAIS DIN AS THE ISSUE EMANATES FROM LOCAL STORES AND SOFRIM IN THE SHECHUNAH... THE VRL WAS SUPPOSED TO DEAL WITH ISSUES INVOLVING MOSDOS, SHLUCHIM AND NOT IN LOCAL ISSUES. IT IS WELL KNOWN THAT IT IS RIFE WITH NEPOTISM, FAVORITISM, AND KNOWN FOR IT;S POLITICAL LEANINGS..SINCE THE LOCAL BAIS-DIN DID ISSUE THE AFORE MENTIONED LETTER IT WOULD BE MOST APPROPIATE FOR THE LOCAL B"D TO DEAL WITH THIS ISSUE. THE PROPER ANSWER IS NOT SO MUCH FOR THE B"D TO ADJUDICATE ANY TEVIOS, BUT RATHER ESTABLISH DEFINITIVE RULES AND HAVING ALL THE SOFRIM AGREEING TO ABIDE BY THEM..
(1/7/2019 3:31:14 AM)
43
To #8
Every rov knows the halachos better than the sofer. The sofer is meant to ask a rov when he has a question and not pasal anything himself.
(1/7/2019 5:13:34 AM)
44
Hazmonah
Hazmonah. From a community member view looks like a prank
If the bais din callled him up to din torah they would sent him a letter directly
Not have it sent all over it would have been a personal letter to him
I doubt if he got a letter from bais din he woukd have forwarded it
(1/7/2019 6:13:50 AM)
45
The sofer
Anyone who knows the halachos sees that this sofer is ignorent. Open a shulchan aruch!!! It's true like the rabbonim said that there are problems with inexpensive mezuzos, EVEN AFTER THEY ARE FIXED UP like machon stam does
(1/7/2019 8:03:45 AM)
46
Drop box
I got the drop box of pics of all the mezuzos
Hes pretty right on his assesment
(1/7/2019 8:22:11 AM)
47
Next challenge
Every sofer in CH, hand over all your under $50 mezuzos, to a vaad of rabbonim knowledgeable in this and have them checked. Then the infomration be presented to the sofrim and adjustments to their business/craft be made accordingly.
Let there be established a fund to subsidize when necessary $20 per mezuza so no one need to buy the lowest priced ones.
(1/7/2019 8:51:32 AM)
48
Machine matzah
Some of the excuses that people are giving is that the Mizuzos are for people that don't keep the high standards of kosher mezuzas, or for people that would not have them at all, with that logic maybe we should start Distributing machine matzah instead of shemura
hand made matzah, because it's cheaper and these people don't keep the higher standards of matzah Etc.
Of course that is a ludicrous argument.
(1/7/2019 9:36:21 AM)
49
wigs
I am thinking of sending in my custom wigs and 10 other to be DNA tested to see if they are taka human hair or not !
(1/7/2019 10:04:20 AM)
50
We NEED more heksharim!!!!
This letter is talking about the exact issue happening today, dont believe anyone who says otherwise. Rabbi Heller has spoken about this issue so many times in Collel. And HE IS RIGHT, he wants a hekshar on Stam and Mikva.
(1/7/2019 10:44:55 AM)
51
To #37: Fair Warning
I own a cafe in Crown Heights and if you DARE put out such a video, I will sue your pants off and I will get EACH restaurant/pizza shop/bakery/sushi store to join me in a Din Torah against you.

HOW DARE YOU try to take away my parnassa???

You must be related to the one eatery that has no bugs in their salad!

How is it even possible that only "one" eatery has 100% no bugs on the salad?

And why are you targeting Crown Heights eateries and not BP, Willie or Flatbush? You are making a chillul Hashem and chillul Lubavitch!

And besides, there are different shittos about what is considered an insect! Some insects need to be with feet and large enough to see without a magnifying glass!

You took the most machmir shitah on bugs just to get us all bugged out!

Besides, you did not name which "kashrus organizations" were used to check for the bugs. It is known that Mishmeres Bugs find insects that no one else can find!

Look, we know that you have an agenda - you just don't like salad. You never liked salad and for years you complained about the taste of salad.

Many great erlich yidden ate in my cafe and THEY ate my salad, so that PROVES that you are just making up stuff.

I sell hundreds of pounds of salad a year and you only bought a small sampling of my salad - so what does your experiment prove - that ALL my salad is infested with bugs?!.

Besides, the salad is sold as a side dish, it is thrown in with a main course. No one expects a meal that "comes with salad" to get a perfect salad. People know you get what you pay for.

Finally, what is YOUR hetter for loshon hara, rechillus and giluy arayos/toloim? If you had a beed with my milchig salad (I guess bugs might be fleishig), you should come and talk to me and we can work things out! Why go public!

I must end with the customary name calling: you are a Korach, an Essov, a Misnaged, an Oisvorf, and a Mossor!

I will see you in court and at the Bais Din shel Matta!
(1/7/2019 12:08:27 PM)
52
41 your are forced to sign only a select few can opt out
can someone post this shtar document that VRL makes some sign. if you cant post it then send a link. A beis din needs to be according to Halacha. Does a BD have a right to go against Halacha with this document signed?
(1/7/2019 2:10:58 PM)
53
#37 and #51
when i read #37 it seemed to me like a joke, just imitating the mezuza process
(1/7/2019 2:57:36 PM)
54
To #37
Amazing job!!!!!!!!
(1/7/2019 3:29:46 PM)
55
My story
During 2011 I purchased for a friend (becoming frum) of mine a pair of tefillin from who I thought was a well respected scribe. The scribe was the father of the man who produced the now viral video.
I'll keep the details of the tefillin vague, but I'll say that there were multiple problems with the tefillin. I reached out to the sofer, and he repeatedly brushed me off.
Bottom line, I can't speak of the validity of the crown heights stores, but what I can say is that your not gonna get anything better from the Chicago character. Vd"l
(1/7/2019 3:34:47 PM)
56
To 53 about #37 & #51
when I read #51 it seems like a summarized collection of many mezuza comments (equally absurd comments whether sofrim dealing with possul mezuzas or restaurant owners dealing with bugs in their salad).
(1/7/2019 4:11:43 PM)
57
LOL #51
Loved: "If you had a beef with my milchig salad (I guess bugs might be fleishig)..."
(1/7/2019 4:46:47 PM)
58
Every sofer is humen
Every sofer is humen and could make mistakes.
It raises red flags when the mistakes are when its kosher
if you had 1 out of 10 kosher serious issue
If you have posul 1out of 10 posul it happends and take care of it
(1/7/2019 5:26:27 PM)
59
Food & STAM - Both Need Hashgacha
Why do we have mashgiachim and hechsherim for food and not for STAM? Just as we utilize and rely on a mashgiach in the food industry, we need mashgiachim in the STAM business too. Similarly, all tallisim have a hechsher, why not other religious products like teffilin and mazozos?

If CH incorporated this, it would be an important message to yidden around the world that Chabad STAM products are kosher and trustworthy as they come with a respected and reliable hechsher.
(1/7/2019 7:08:38 PM)
60
To #59
You ask: Why do we have mashgiachim and hechsherim for food and not for STAM?

Read slowly so not to get confused: Both food and STAM need to be kosher, right?

But Food that isn't kosher is "treif", while STAM that isn't kosher is "possul" (not "treif").

GET IT?

And see further comments #37 and #51!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(1/7/2019 7:47:31 PM)
61
Great idea!!!
I was told that many stores don't even make money of these inexpensive mezuzos. So why should they do a favor and sell them. Instead buy from Amazon https://www.amazon.com/Peer-Hastam-Mezuzah-Ashkenaz-Certificate/dp/B0053AUYPI/ref=mp_s_a_1_13?ie=UTF8&qid=1546911927&sr=8-13&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=mezuzah
(1/7/2019 7:50:54 PM)
62
To #55
Im sorry your contacts were ignored.
BTW the Rabbis Wolf- father and son- neither are sofrim but are dealers between sofrim and buyers
(1/7/2019 8:09:22 PM)
63
Lubavitcher Tefillin
When I was in Eretz Israel in 1970 I bought new Tefillin with parsios in the Alter Rebbe Kasav from a highly regarded Lubavitcher Sofer. A number of years later I had them checked and the sofer in Crown Heights brought them to Rabbi Marlow who said the parsios were Pasul. I went to buy Ari zl parsios from a non Lubavitcher Sofer and Ive been using them ever since. I dont understand all the machlokes in Lubavitch and I
am afraid to purchase things that one says are mehudar and another says are pasul.
(1/7/2019 11:52:13 PM)
64
Wow so many clueless people
You can argue from today to tomorrow if the problems discovered it the mezuzahs are really problematic or just borderline kosher... the fact is that the debated " issues" that were found apply in all the mezuzahs shown, yes all, even machon stams. Look at the slides.

Of course there were some stores that had really really poor quality with deformed lettering and multiple issues per mezuzah, and this video would have been correct had it been aimed only to them.

But then there are the rest of the sofrim and they are all in the same boat more or less. Their mezuzahs are for the most part a decent kesav and they missed one or two things in some of the mezuzahs, not to say that is acceptable, but to put it into perspective they are difficult mezuzahs to check and they do their best. In most cases they find all the issues and sometimes it is missed out inadvertently not maliciously. Why one sofer got a free pass to sell these minimally kosher mezuzahs with "issues" and not the others?
At first this made me wonder if there was an agenda, or perhaps they were just missed out when they were being checked by both of wolfs sofrim, but after a couple of days passing by and knowing this was pointed out to the author of this video and still no update or correction I now have no doubt.
What's worse is that all wolf's work is in vain, for telling people not to buy minimally kosher from one person and telling them to buy them from someone else really accomplished nothing!

All the people screaming here that your mezuzahs were possul. bought them from the ones who had the really really bad mezuzahs, so why blame someone elses cheap poor mezuzahs on all the other sofrim in ch?
And an even bigger question is why were you so cheap to buy those mezuzahs in the first place?! Do you really want them to stop selling them? And all of a sudden you will be willing to pay more money for your mezuzahs? Really? So why did you opt for the $30-$40 to start with? You can't have your cake and eat it. There never will be a 100% lechatchila mezuzah for $40. There will always be debatable "issues " that will deem them bedieved.
I am all for it we shouldn't be selling bedieved mezuzahs, but then again I never bought, nor will I ever buy one for my house. These sofrim are providing a community service selling these mezuzahs, they cost so little there is little to no profit in them. It's intended for the shluchim who are giving for free to their balabatim or they are buying but they dont understand the importance of having a proper mezuzah, these mezuzahs were never meant to be on the doors of anash! You may argue they deserve better as well but that is not the issue here at all.

Wolf could have made a nice educational video about quality of mezuzahs and like any normal person would do explain that other places outside crown heights have similar low quality or even worse, and it's not just a lubavitch problem and overall encouraging everyone every jew to buy better quality.

I agree with the underlying message it is time to upgrade the quality of mezuzahs. And for those complaining we also need to upgrade the quality of checking, we pay so little to check a mezuzah and tefillin it's no wonder sofrim feel pressured and cant give a mezuzah or tefillin the time of day while checking them to make the neccessary repairs and corrections. Every other community pays sofrim 10-20% more, if you dont believe me call borough park, Williamsburg or monsey.

Let's upgrade the quality of stam and the checking quality in crown heights so we dont have to have this debate ever again,
but get ready as it will come with a cost.
(1/8/2019 12:50:54 AM)
65
To 55
Sorry for your experience.
Peehaps such experiences were the very impetus for the vital video. It's more likely that your story supports their side.
(1/8/2019 1:26:38 AM)
66
To #59 Hashgacha on FOOD vs STAM
The reason we have so many Hechsheirim on food and not on Stam is simple:

If a Rav gives a Hechsher on STAM he will need to set up a serious system to ensure that the products are actually kosher. His name is at stake.

If he just signed the paper that it's kosher, sends over some drugy mashgiach who knows nothing about STAM and doesn't keep kosher to walk in once a month to show his face, then he calls the store owner to verify that the mashgiach showed up, and when the mashgiach is nowhere to be found for two weeks from a drug overdose he by mistake hires some one who takes his job seriously. This new mashgiach notices one vendor printing Mezuzos by computer. He notified the Rav. The Rav says don't speak to me speak to the head mashgiach.The head mashgiach yells at him to mix out of what his not his business. etc. etc.
IF all this would of happened the Rav would be out of business since the product's kashrus can be verified and everyone would know that this Rav's certification means nothing.

However when it comes to food, down here us humans, we can't see if the food was or wasn't cooked by a Yid, we cannot see if the cultures used in the cheese were Cholov Yisroel, we cannot see if the ingredients of the food came from the Rav's approved list or from Dunkin Donuts, we cannot see if the fleishig utensils were mixed with the Milchig. We cannot see if anyone actually checks the lettuce (we can but nobody checs the lettuce in a dressed salad in a dinner plate at a wedding) etc. etc. So a Rav can give a Hechsher without any internal controls in place and with a total hefkeirus going on and still convince everyone that only his hechsher is kosher because it's protocol is exclusive to adhere to the Chimera of power Ploni Ben Ploni.

(1/8/2019 1:40:03 AM)
67
Go fund me
Rabbi Miyad Wolf " has done what none of us had the guts to do.

He stood up against falsehood and lies.

He singlehandedly (along with some unnamed individuals) fought against the establishment and protected us from swindlers.

Now, as we stand on the threshold of Phase Two he needs us to stand behind him.

Please help support this Yungerman, who went on Mesiras Nefeshe Mamash - something not many can say about themselves today - and sacrificed his name and dignity to fight for the truth.

Let us put an end to Mezuzah Fraud - TOGETHER!

https://www.gofundme.com/support-the-truth
(1/8/2019 3:06:09 AM)
68
time = money
writing a mehudar mezuzoh will take an experienced sofer +/- 2 hours. Calculate materials, in between handlers, and the final sellers costs, anything below $80 is probably no good.
(1/8/2019 5:46:31 AM)
69
Wow so many clueless people
You can argue from today to tomorrow if the problems discovered it the mezuzahs are really problematic or just borderline kosher... the fact is that the debated " issues" that were found apply in all the mezuzahs shown, yes all, even machon stams. Look at the slides.

Of course there were some stores that had really really poor quality with deformed lettering and multiple issues per mezuzah, and this video would have been correct had it been aimed only to them.

But then there are the rest of the sofrim and they are all in the same boat more or less. Their mezuzahs are for the most part a decent kesav and they missed one or two things in some of the mezuzahs, not to say that is acceptable, but to put it into perspective they are difficult mezuzahs to check and they do their best. In most cases they find all the issues and sometimes it is missed out inadvertently not maliciously. Why one sofer got a free pass to sell these minimally kosher mezuzahs with "issues" and not the others?
At first this made me wonder if there was an agenda, or perhaps they were just missed out when they were being checked by both of wolfs sofrim, but after a couple of days passing by and knowing this was pointed out to the author of this video and still no update or correction I now have no doubt.
What's worse is that all wolf's work is in vain, for telling people not to buy minimally kosher from one person and telling them to buy them from someone else really accomplished nothing!

All the people screaming here that your mezuzahs were possul. bought them from the ones who had the really really bad mezuzahs, so why blame someone elses cheap poor mezuzahs on all the other sofrim in ch?
And an even bigger question is why were you so cheap to buy those mezuzahs in the first place?! Do you really want them to stop selling them? And all of a sudden you will be willing to pay more money for your mezuzahs? Really? So why did you opt for the $30-$40 to start with? You can't have your cake and eat it. There never will be a 100% lechatchila mezuzah for $40. There will always be debatable "issues " that will deem them bedieved.
I am all for it we shouldn't be selling bedieved mezuzahs, but then again I never bought, nor will I ever buy one for my house. These sofrim are providing a community service selling these mezuzahs, they cost so little there is little to no profit in them. It's intended for the shluchim who are giving for free to their balabatim or they are buying but they dont understand the importance of having a proper mezuzah, these mezuzahs were never meant to be on the doors of anash! You may argue they deserve better as well but that is not the issue here at all.

Wolf could have made a nice educational video about quality of mezuzahs and like any normal person would do explain that other places outside crown heights have similar low quality or even worse, and it's not just a lubavitch problem and overall encouraging everyone every jew to buy better quality.

I agree with the underlying message it is time to upgrade the quality of mezuzahs. And for those complaining we also need to upgrade the quality of checking, we pay so little to check a mezuzah and tefillin it's no wonder sofrim feel pressured and cant give a mezuzah or tefillin the time of day while checking them to make the neccessary repairs and corrections. Every other community pays sofrim 10-20% more, if you dont believe me call borough park, Williamsburg or monsey.

Let's upgrade the quality of stam and the checking quality in crown heights so we dont have to have this debate ever again,
but get ready as it will come with a cost.
(1/8/2019 6:20:04 AM)
70
To great idea
Ebay has for $26 https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mezuzah-Scroll-7-Cm-Kosher-Parchment-Torah-Klaf-2-8-Inch-Hebrew-Judaica-Jewish/261414524325?epid=1731410880&hash=item3cdd8515a5:g:yyEAAOSwAL9UgVbk:rk:2:pf:0
(1/8/2019 7:05:07 AM)
71
An Entire Change In The Whole Kehile
What bothers me the most of everything, is The "Koch" and the "Hislahavus" in searching and in Finding Someone else's "Aveirois" "Avlois" "upeshoim", I think that it's time that People Should Become A Little Bit More "Pnimiyusdik" and A Little Bit More "Bar Da'as'en" and A Little bit more "Emes'dik" Between themselves and the oibershter - and before they say or before they write C"V a Harsh Word About Another Yid, They Should ask themselves: Have I Found Already And Have I Fixed Already all of my own Aveirois Avlois Upeshoim - That I Poshut have now some extra Time For Someone Else's??!!... and I think that this Type of Thinking will begin Making People A Little Bit More For Mentchen Kipshutoi...
(1/8/2019 7:46:44 AM)
72
shlomo
when we speak about tefilin we always get an explanation that bigger is better and therefore cost more. but when someone wants to order small tefillin he gat explanation why actually small more expensive.we will always have this problem this is just business.
2, I have experience not once when someone tefillin were told as pasul by Chabad sofer and mehudar from other soferim including Chabad sofer with a good reputation I know personally. lot of rabonim in aretz do not recommend deal with chabad sofrim at all since they posel just for sale you another
(1/8/2019 8:53:54 AM)
73
#52
The shtar is unavailable for the reasons I delineated
(1/8/2019 11:18:45 AM)
74
To 64/69 (which are the same thing)
It really seems like you're the clueless one around here.

Some of your basic premises are fundamentally flawed. You bring up some nice, general points, but others are so lacking that they stare me right in the face.

You seem to have misunderstood R' Wolf's point in making this "investigation." Unless you have expertise in the Stam field, and have scrutinized all the mezuzos from all the stores, you can not say that the sofer ignored the "mistakes" in the stores you claim were "on his agenda." These statements have no proof to back them up. Your proof? "Look at the slides." Are you such an expert that you can tell that details of different mezuzos are exactly the same? I don't think it's a stretch to say that you're not. After all, you can not give more proof than saying, "Look at the slides." But what shall you see that will make any difference if you have no experience in sofrus?

Another point that you bring up that I shall address:
R' Wolf bought the cheapest type to PROVE that the cheapest type (the mivtzoim mezuzos) are majorly flawed or posul. He did not purchase them to hang up on his own door post. He was making an experiment of how posul and flawed the mivtzoim mezuzos of the Lubavitch community supposedly are.

And why only Lubavitch? Because Lubavitch is the only community that even makes mivtzoim mezuzos! The concept does not exist elsewhere... Namely Williamsburg, borough park, flatbush, etc etc.

You say, "It's intended for the shluchim who are giving for free to their balabatim or they are buying but they dont understand the importance of having a proper mezuzah, these mezuzahs were never meant to be on the doors of anash! You may argue they deserve better as well but that is not the issue here at all." How dare you suggest that it is all right to allow a well-meaning shliach to purchase a large quantity of mezuzos to distribute to his congregants, only to realize that practically the whole batch is posul? And you say that "is not the issue here at all." Absolutely it is! How can you fool a person, a Jew, someone who trusts in his shliach to provide him with a kosher product, with a substandard or even posul product?! That, in my eyes, is completely wrong.

No one ever suggested that these mezuzos were ever intended to be on the doors of anash. Most Lubavitchers are not hanging these mezuzos on their own door posts, regardless of the decrease in price. The issue comes to play when Lubavitchers buy them to put up as mivtzoim, or when shluchim buy them to give out to their community. Then, the shluchim get burned, realizing their money was wasted on these "minimally kosher"/posul mezuzos, and when Lubavitchers hang these up without a thought that there might be a "kashrus issue," so to speak, with them.

I would like to address other issues that you bring up, but as I'm not sure that you'll see this post or even take it to heart, I feel there's not much more point in arguing.

Zei gezunt.
(1/8/2019 3:01:17 PM)
75
To #69
You wrote:
"Do you really want them to stop selling them? And all of a sudden you will be willing to pay more money for your mezuzahs? Really? .... These sofrim are providing a community service selling these mezuzahs, they cost so little there is little to no profit in them. It's intended for the shluchim who are giving for free to their balabatim or they are buying but they dont understand the importance of having a proper mezuzah, these mezuzahs were never meant to be on the doors of anash!"

Ok, so the local butcher can have a special counter of meat selling at 25 cents a pound - it's a service...the butcher doesn't make much on this questionable meat. It is not meant for anash, but for shluchim to buy for their balabatim who eat treif...this cheap meat is maybe kosher b'di'eved...but you get what you pay for.

Besides, why do other people buy this quasi kosher meat? Because they don't appreciate the value of really kosher meat, so it is a valuable service!

The buyers won't pay $10 lb of glatt meat, so this is "hallal" semi-kosher according to obscure opinions...

THAT MAKES SENSE?!

Ok, change of venue -

the appliance store is selling small appliances that are of inferior quality. True 9 out of 10 were tested and they explodes or caused a fire, but the customers keep buying these cheaply made dangerous appliances because they don't appreciate the value of a safe appliance. The store is providing a service...

REALLY??!!

Ok so the cheap unsafe fire crackers exploded and burned a child and another lost 3 fingers, but heck, they are cheap, and people are grabbing them for purim...the store owner isn't making much on them, simply providing a service to the community doctors...

REALLY LOGICAL? NOT!
(1/8/2019 3:59:58 PM)
76
Stupid from all angles
The sofrim are irresponsible and have been fooling everyone for years they pretend to check Mezuzas it takes them about thirty seconds.
I want someone to try doing the same test on 150$ Mezuzas I bett you will get the same results. Hagah is not a game. It takes time and cost money. About time someone got the message that you need to deal with the problem. If they had any brains they would not complain about someone stealing theyre parnasa. Its like waving a flag that says hi Im here to make money off you and I dont care if its kosher or not Ill convince you it is. That really makes people feel confident. !!!!
We need moshiach. Now!
(1/8/2019 8:26:16 PM)
77
"Mivtzoyim Matzos"
Thousands of lbs of shmura matza are distributed on mivtzoyim both locally and by shluchim internationally.

To keep costs down, maybe it is ok to distribute matza that is only bdieved kosher for passover.

It isn't anyway for Anash to use. It's for people that might even be eating chometz on pessach, so who needs shmura matza that is 100% kosher l'pessach?

The mivtzoyim matzas are going to people that don't understand the importance of keeping pessach, so who cares if the matzas are 19 minutes, 28 minuites or even sometimes chometzdig?


Let's start selling cheaper matzas!

As long as it looks like a matza, tastes like a matza and cracks like a matza - then it is a matza!

Oh, we are talking mezuzas? Just change the word matza in my comment to "mezuza".


(1/8/2019 9:01:25 PM)
78
To 74 nd 75
Seems you have trouble reading. The only ones selling posul were the really really bad ones and I agree 100% they are at fault and malicious and this video was on the mark. My whole point was the others who were dragged down with them who's mezuzahs "issues" were not "issues " for the most part. So no one is being fooled by them and they are kosher although minimally. The difference in your analogy would be glatt vs non glatt. They are 100% kosher although maybe not up to your standards. And I agree with you, dont buy cheap broken appliances or faulty fire crackers. That is a dumb thing to do. As I will agree dont buy the mezuzahsfrom the ones labeled really really bad posul mezuzahs. But there are different quality appliances and fire crackers that are fully functional and not every one will buy the best brand or features.

And by the way every judaica and many seforim stores in America has $30 posul mezuzahs as bad as the really really bad ones in ch including amazon and Ebay. What island you do you live on?

About the slides from machon stam? There have the same "issues" as the others selling the better ones... you will see soon enough and you will eat your words.
(1/8/2019 9:21:43 PM)
What's Your Opinion? Post a Comment
Title:

Your Comment:


Comments must be approved before being published. Thank You!

Make COLive your homepage | Contact Us
© 2019 COLLIVE.com
1553426955