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Pro-Yeshiva Petition Goes Viral

A petition to protest new secular study guidelines being imposed on Yeshivas has received over 15,000 signatures after being widely shared on social media. Full Story

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This decree is way over the top, it’s actually punitive!
December 16, 2018 6:00 am

I went to public school in the USA and didn’t have 7 hours of secular education per day. This is absurd and outrageous and shouldn’t be tolerated!

The Jews did this to us
December 16, 2018 12:57 am

YAFFED, a Jewish organisation had the major hand in this. These “frum” mosrim are causing our communities’ downfall… The petition should be against YAFFED, rather.

Netspark
December 15, 2018 8:49 pm

I can’t open the link BC of my filter but pls sign it in my name. Thanks.

Secular Education - not worth much
December 15, 2018 7:53 pm

I’m a Shliach on campus for close to 20 years now. I sometimes help students with their papers because they write and spell at a 7th grade level. They go into debt for 10-20 years and end up getting jobs in a field that they did not get their college degree for. Meanwhile, Lubavitchers who go through the “system” are able to become lawyers, real estate brokers, and tons of other well-paying jobs (including Shluchim!). Even those that require a college degree (preferably attending only after marriage) are often amazed at how easy the schedule and work is compared to… Read more »

Really want to sign...but
December 14, 2018 2:26 pm

Please read the beginning of the petition before you sign! This will be used as a way of saying that people with kids in the school don’t want it. If you are not a parent you are signing a false statement. As a single guy I find it very sad that I can not be a part of the community because I do not have kids. Basically here we go again with a public statement claiming that we are who we aren’t. Thanks to all the askonem that don’t really care about our public image as long as they can… Read more »

Look at the other schools
December 14, 2018 12:56 pm

This is pure anti semitism. Maybe out of ignorance and maybe out of hate, but that’s what it is. Based on their supposed concern, can you imagine what they would need to do with the horrible education so many low income, Black, Hispanic, and others are receiving.

They would never dare to try doing the equivalence of this in any of their communities with threats of stopping funding and saying that parents are truant.

Sorry, whatever their motivations are don’t really matter. This is an act of anti semitism.

Read what it says
December 14, 2018 12:33 pm

I find it fascinating that commentators bash the lack of secular education in yeshivos, when they themselves seem to lack basic reading comprehension skills. This is not about improving or adding some secular studies. These guidelines are saying that yeshivos should teach 7 hours of secular study! Did you just read that? Basic math now- this doesn’t allow for any religious studies at all. It is mind boggling how any frum person can support such guidelines that would basically not allow yeshivos to exist! The state cannot dictate how I choose to educate my children. That’s religious coercion! I pay… Read more »

To all ignorant people who don't know anything about Judaism
December 14, 2018 11:26 am

It seems that a lot of people think the reason people don’t learn English is for chassidish purposes, and being that they don’t care about (at least certain) chassidishe values, they don’t care about this either. I would therefore like too point out to you what the Alter Rebbe writes in Hilchos Talmud Torah perek gimmel halacha zayin, that those who are obligated to learn Torah are not allowed to learn secular studies. And if you don’t care about Shulchan Aruch, then you can’t have an opinion for those that do.

You are all wrong
December 14, 2018 6:48 am

They didn’t mandate 7 hours.

A coincidence
December 14, 2018 1:40 am

We are in Galus and just have to continue remembering that Hashem is running the world. We are trying to be more machmir than the secular government as the state mandates allow religious exemptions for vaccines for private schools which the majority our state accept expect many yeshivas(with regard to the religious exemptions for vaccines) and now they are coming out at us to say go do even more for us make sure to have 6 hrs
This is what happens when we conspire against our own people in lieu of.goverment agendas
Just a thought…

To #12
December 13, 2018 11:37 pm

I am a shlucha out of town. I have a number of community members who are professionals, college graduates etc who have offered to help us write our newsletters, weekly emails etc. I am appalled time and time again at their lack of writing skills, grammatical errors and complete incompetence. I am far from convinced that every college graduate and professional possesses proper writing skills.

Stop spreading lies and get educated :)
December 13, 2018 11:04 pm
why the resistance?
December 13, 2018 7:15 pm

the rebbe’s schools – tomchei and achei tmimim have secular studies. mandated curriculum of science english history and math can easily be adapted to halachic standards. in fact one could satisfy curriculum requirement using purely jewish books – by the right educator. is ignorance of these a mitzva or chossid choteh? how and why does a school think it can take money as being a school but not be a school according to the money giver? why should teachers NOT be required to have training and certification? I think it’s great that society is finally requiring basic education for all… Read more »

# 1 is right
December 13, 2018 6:36 pm

I agree with no 1 lets all enroll all of our children in public school. I think this should be done in one day. maybe the city will find space for 2 to 3 hundred thousand seats for our children.

a balanced perspective
December 13, 2018 6:30 pm

I think it’s wrong for a school in a civil society to teach no secular studies but these guidelines are outrageous. I hope they will come with some sort of compromise in which yeshivos will start teaching basic skills and still have most of the day to teach kodesh. I thing the extremes are dangerous. The truth of the matter is, there are many young people who suffer from not being able to write properly in English so I don’t think yeshivos should be so radical as to not teach any English and math but this law is crazy.

Don't be fooled by the name of this country
December 13, 2018 4:09 pm

What’s next? Keeping kids locked into basements to learn Torah?!?! We have to stand up and tell these anti-semites to STAY AWAY from our way of chinuch!

להשכיחם תורתך
December 13, 2018 3:58 pm

That’s what it always has and always will come down to PERIOD

Didan natzach
December 13, 2018 3:28 pm

This was the perfect day for this petition. There will be a didan notzach and yad hashem will emerge victorious!!! Am Yisroel chai and we won’t be messed with- not from the Greeks or hellenists of today

Yeshiva Education
December 13, 2018 1:35 pm

Actually you can look at the results, Yeshivos teach high level life and business skills.
Most of Gemora is business skills, conflict resolution etc
Mivtzoyim is sales skills
Camp counselors learn leadership skills, interpersonal skills.

Our Yeshivos produce high level entrepreneur skills.
A regular professional needs to be a master of one traid, an entrepreneur needs to know about many professions do be successful.
Before Yeshivah I went to secular public schools, and the skills I learned there were absolutely inadequate for real life.

מגפה
December 13, 2018 1:28 pm

These yaffed people are dangerous making problems for no reason because they are trying to take revenge on the communities they left

Easy fix
December 13, 2018 1:05 pm

All parents should go and register their kids in public school today. We will see how fast they leave us alone! Can you imagine the chaos ?😀

Communist yevseksiya
December 13, 2018 12:52 pm

The Fridiker Rebbe would send teachers to teach a Torah education and when a teacher would be shot by the yevseksiya, the Fridiker Rebbe would send another teacher. Thats how Crown Heights exists today, many Crown Heights residents are decentands of teachers that were killed.
Were are the yevseksiya now? Were are the maskilim before them? Were are the Syrian Greeks? Were is Pharaoh? Torah education survived.
We need to have Mesiras Nefesh for Kodesh Torah Education.
The Rebeyim will help!

I wonder
December 13, 2018 12:42 pm

Hmm I wonder when seeing there tone of the comments if COLLIVE supports madated secular studies in our schools.

Fascistic
December 13, 2018 11:28 am

Whoever doesn’t like the way the Frum community educates the children, is welcome to leave. Nobody is forced to be part of it. As an aside, if you want to be truly honest, studies show that Frum people are from the happier people. Does that mean people should be forced to be religious? That’s totally inappropriate, you don’t force people. Whoever is not happy with the Frum community, welcome to the real world, where in every community there are people that won’t be happy with it. You’re free to exercise and act on what you want to do, but have… Read more »

To Number 5
December 13, 2018 11:13 am

Maybe if they taught proper English in yeshivas, which includes writing, it would be written more professionally.

No sympathy for this cause. Start teaching kids how to read write and count
December 13, 2018 10:59 am

Yeshivos in ch don’t even come close to other ultra orthodox yeshivos. They are the reason the state is looking into this. Stop with these silly petitions and start giving the kids tools to make it in life! It’s Rambam a father has to teach his son a trade.

Why not?
December 13, 2018 10:51 am

There is nothing wrong with being educated

Hmmm
December 13, 2018 10:30 am

In Soviet Russia they also tried to dictate what we teach our children.
Let’s stick with choice and democracy.

#2 you speak for me
December 13, 2018 10:07 am

we are back in Russia with all jew haters and atheists. And if, CHAS VE HALOM, Moshiach does not come immediately we will be walking back to the gas chambers soon

@ 6,
December 13, 2018 10:05 am

“Even more so, considering the high receipt of welfare assistance in the Haredi community.’
They are not targeting the “H”aredi community. They are targeting ALL private Jewish Schools.

Agreed with #1 AND...
December 13, 2018 9:54 am

Even more so, considering the high receipt of welfare assistance in the Haredi community. It’s that simple; When you take a partner into your business, they then have a say in it. As the old saying goes:
ווער ס’האט די מאה, דער האט די דיעה

Idea good. Wording not.
December 13, 2018 9:53 am

The idea of a petition has merit but the way this one is worded is really unprofessional and not the way to go about it. To be effective it needs to be completely reworded.

Tuition Crisis Solved!
December 13, 2018 9:39 am

Perfect. The schools will shut down, we can all go back to homeschooling our kids, and that’ll solve the tuition crisis.

right after chanukah
December 13, 2018 9:29 am

To comment one- do you understand whats going on? The state is mandating 7 hours of secular studies education PER DAY. Is that what you want? All secular subjects and maybe an hour of “religious instruction”? Do you know what we are celebrating when we celebrate chanukah? We are celebrating the victory of the maccabees over the hellinists – the people that tried to get the jews to learn secular studies and play sports- to worship the mind and the body. In fact most jews at the time of chanukah were hellinists. In fact the rebbe says* that what we… Read more »

Stop electing liberal democrats
December 13, 2018 8:51 am

We have no one to blame but ourselves.
We elect liberal democrats and then complain as crime rises and our values are trampled upon. Today in New York. The Orthodox Jews have no political power anymore. It’s in the hand of atheistic democrats who are looking to destroy Torah Judaism to the core. Unless every single Orthodox Jew over 18 registers to vote we are doomed. There is no reason that we can’t turn New York around. If we elected the right people we could change things. The same story in Israel.

What next?
December 13, 2018 8:50 am

Tell the police not to get involved in cases of child abuse?

This petition shows exactly why NYC needs to step in.

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