What do Yeshiva students do after they graduate? Take a look at the impressive positions our graduates hold as a result of their Yeshiva education!
PEARLS, Parents for Educational and Religious Liberty in Schools, presents a few of the many members of the Chassidic Jewish community, who are successful, professional yeshiva graduates.
Hear from Yeshiva graduates the skills and knowledge they learned in their religious and secular studies that they use in the professional world today.
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I dont intend to. the goal of the yeshivos is to produce fine upstanding yidden. they do a fine job of it. if yaffed had their way, the yeshiva system would turn out young men and women that come out of the average public high school. is THAT what we want for our kids? if thats what you want, pull your kids out of yeshiva now and enroll them in public school and leave those who wish to raise fine upstanding yidden to educate their kids in yeshiva. everything else is the fluff that makes for good press and sound… Read more »
My kids go to yeshivish school where they learn secular studies and Kodesh. I grew up in the system and felt like many having a secular and college education would negatively affect my frum lifestyle. That is until my kids started going to school. All the teachers have degrees and the principal has a PHD from Harvard. What struck me was how frum everyone is and how naturally eidel the staff are. They are so learned as well. It truly shocked me to see that it is possible to have a secular education without affecting your emunah in HaShem. My… Read more »
Not those that live on kollel but those who send their kids to Touro, where everyone there is frum. They end up knowing how to learn (unlike many chasidim who don’t manage that despite all their years in yeshiva), major or even get a Masters in a field that is actually useful in the workforce and they are able to support themselves and others. And they are very frum after all this. You don’t see these sad stories from yeshivish professionals
If you compare the percentage of chassidim in brooklyn in welfare it may not be as large of a difference as other societies. But remember! chassidim are educated for 12 hours a day and they stay in academic circles (yeshiva gedolah, kollel, etc.). they are recipients of years of education that does not translate into economic benefit.
Furthermore, compare the monetary success of secular Jews with the chassidim, they are so different you think they are from different gene pools. Chassidim can take advantage of the same tools afforded to them that secular Jews do.
BH that I did not get a job Based on my educational skills I was not able to get a high paid job My only real option was a small business And this is best that happened Had I have a good job I would be limited to x amounts and then having to look for another job and then change field and another job I heard often “ business is not for everyone “ Very far from the truth , it just need more effort for some people that’s to others , every attitude , every skill you can… Read more »
It’s pretty clear that the yeshiva system discourages college education and credentialed professions. If you don’t know that, you don’t know the system. Is it working out well for them? Well, they are staying to introduce college programs into their world. The other world always embraced college and they are losing their religious fervor. Is it working out well for them? Their world has gone significantly to the right in recent years with even a single modern orthodox woman covering her hair in public. What will be? The right will introduce more education over time and in appropriate ways that… Read more »
in a nutshell you people’s comment (the negative ones) are basically saying G-d’s way is the bad way. in japan they teach the Talmud as part of the curriculum. why? bc it sharpens the brain. so figuring things out takes a hour instead of a week. you do the math
Is limudei chol that is used to enhance our understanding of Torah. For example, look up what Rabbi Rietti spoke about the integrated curriculum. There should be no dichotomy, no ‘secular’ in limudei chol if taught properly
Real Estate License requires a minimum of a GED. Accounting requires a bachelors degree or equivalent college classes to sit for the CPA . And most programmers and coders learn very quickly they also need a degree. No offense but you just contradicted yourself. Each example you just gave requires a higher level of secular education.
a little math and English is not going to hurt anyone’s Emunah.
Yes not learning secular studies affects the future life and life style of the community. But so does having large families , spending extra money on kosher food and yomtov expenses .All these extra expensive also contribute to the “poverty”. The bottom line what is most important to you ? What does really mean ? There will come a day when we will all have to give a accounting of how we choice to use our time and our children’s time. It is SHOCKING that there is so many negative comments about a organization work that is just trying to… Read more »
Everyone here is so obsessed with the college education. most people i know have not been able to find well paying jobs in the what they were educated for. Most are in other fields…..
So many barely make it. The success is rate is very much like in regular America – some people do well and some struggle. That is life – Parnasah is from Hashem
Why are yeshivos resisting teaching the english language and mathematics and science? All can be taught in a kosher way. And all can serve to strengthen the mind as tools with which to be a well rounded jew who can function smoothly in society. and it’s dina d’malchusa. AND, for the lubav yeshivos, the rebbe’s and the frierdiker rebbe’s tomchei/achei tmimim taught it.
the fight against teahcing the basics alongside torah studies in primary grades seems to me a chosid shoteh position, laziness, avoidance of cost and accountability and responsibility while cloaking the excuses in religiosity.
shame shame.
A big chevreman who will go into business doesn’t need a degree. But a more timid person who wants to be hired on salary needs a degree even if they’re very smart
how yidden are the ones who thrive off the government the most. The average goyishe familly with 3 kids let’s say, takes 21k a year from the government for their kids’ public school education. So that 63k for a family of three kids for 15+ years of schooling. And a yid takes food stamps and government aid and he is ridiculed? And let’s not get into the other side of this. Most government aid goes to african americans. there are literally hundreds of huge buildings across brooklyn and nyc full of minority families paying almost nothing or nothing at all… Read more »
As a Lubavitcher, I fully support the Yeshiva Education. Secular education is not the answer to all. There are plenty of people with full college education that are struggling. On the other hand, many Yeshiva graduates move on to make money in real estate, accounting, programming/coding etc. there are plenty of vocational schools that can help a yeshiva student move on and be “successful”. (Remember success does not always mean living the “American Dream” void of meaning. Raising a large Chassidishe family is far more successful than spending many years in the higher education system, only to realize that its… Read more »
the residents in CH are buying 1.5 million dollar homes. are their public school educated neighbors also able to afford such expensive homes??
Yeshiva has nothing to do with these individuals success. They left Yeshiva with no useful skills and hustled their way to the top, and for every success their are 5 failures. I’m shocked that the Yeshiva “System” in it’s entirety across so many sects, counties etc. unite to take credit for the 10% success rate. We update our phones every 1-2 years, It’s time for a REAL change in our chinuch, and to take the “System” out of it and update this square curriculum that applied 200 years ago for some modern challenges our children are facing in this crazy… Read more »
If its too hard for you to follow him this situation, its your private issue. But don’t come on a chabad forum and speak chutzpadik against the Rebbes shita! If your not sure what the Rebbe Shita on this is please do a sincere unbias research. Chol and tachlis is a new american dream. Yidden in Russia and Polland were able to include chol in their childrens education but didn’t do it. After school they teach kids craftmenship. Go ahead and learn how to do hand type of works after yeshiva. Its not for you kavod? Then don’t blame the… Read more »
the reason there are more people with a yeshiva education on government programs is because they qualify easier because of their large size families. They aren’t necessarily making less than people with a public school education!
Very good question. I don’t think it’s yeshiva related though, as 67% of collage grads don’t have a job. Research and try to find an answer, would love to read it.
A lot of the above is true! But what is the Rebbe’s opinion?
(“btw” we trusted him about open heart surgeries etc etc!)
Nice propaganda piece, when a very big percentage of the Chasidic population live on WIC, foodstamps and public Assistance is pretty naive to say that the yeshivas are a success story. It is time to change the way yeshivas teach and to start having proper accreditation and to teach the proper skills to the kids so that they don’t have to play catch up when they graduate from the yeshivas because they do not have the proper grammar nor skills to further either their education or life skills. Why should a person have to settle for working low income jobs… Read more »
The main thing is if you want to achieve a goal, you can and they are saying that you are able to.
Not sure why people keep on saying, it only work because of government in entitlement programs.
If you include how much they pay ( publicly school cost the government 21k per student ) for education, we get very little.
Plus did any of you do any sort of study that shows we use the system more ?
In general, there are less financially “successful” people than unsuccessful. The financial issues with the frum communities can be due to many factors; 1) many children BH. 2) private schooling is not free. 3) bad money habits. 4) scared of failure (and therefore not utilizing full potential). 5) not willing to pursue a degree after Yeshiva or marriage. 6) not a great IQ. I’m sure you can find many more factores. The fact is that the public school system is garbage and the colleges are busy brainwashing kids instead of educating them. The Yeshiva teaches it’s studens; critical thinking, morals… Read more »
How many of the ones that are successful benefited from their yeshiva education?
How many had family connections / help in business?
How many of the successful got in trouble with the law because of their limited knowledge in running a proper business legally ?
As with most arguments where each side doesn’t want to hear the other, they are drawing the bullseye around the arrow.
One side says it’s unsustainable, and then brings proofs from the great poverty in the community…
The other says it’s a model of success, then brings all of its success stories…
It’s obviously somewhere in the middle, but which activist wants to hear that?
The activists on both side had certain negative experiences, which made them take up their banner.
If the people behind this had a basic secular education, they would understand that anecdotal evidence is basically useless. All date indicates that Yeshivahs ON AVERAGE do not prepare boys for the workforce.
the end. Is that really the goal of ULY?!
all these jobs are sorta despite the system, stick more to argueing the first ammendmant right…
20 success stories , 20,000 on welfare penniless !
It’s not so simple.
1) Not all Yeshivos are the same when it comes to secular curriculum, or lack thereof.
2) Poverty rates in the Haredi world, are exorbitant.
3) This lifestyle is only viable through the reliance of government (read: taxpayer money) social services.