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If You’re Single, Test Dor Yeshorim

Rabbi Tuvia Teldon and Rabbi Yossi Paltiel respond to the article "The Problem With Dor Yeshorim" and call it "reckless." Full Story

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Agree with both - basically
December 27, 2016 11:12 am

I agree that you should test for Dor Yesharim.
I’m also hearing that that DY is providing you with an umbrella that has holes. This article is telling me that those “holes” aren’t life threatening/debilitating and common. What if a couple happens to be carriers for something uncommon (like the previous author) but life risking?
It does seem wise to patch up those “holes” with additional testing.

United Kingdom
December 26, 2016 7:00 am

Dor Yeshorim needs to be more pro-active in the United KIngdom. They do not address the greatest Jewish community .Could Dor Yeshorim send a speaker to the United Kingdom or run articles in the Jewish newspapers please.

To 28 and 29:
December 26, 2016 6:46 am

Just like your local Chabad house Rabbi doesn’t oversee conversions, or pasken on how a couple would go through infertility treatments, genetics is a very specialized area and a Rabbi without expertise and discussion with qualified MEDICAL experts has no business paskening in this area. I believe DY does follow these types of practice and it is completely a legitimate path to take. HOWEVER, the wider picture is much more complex, and the authors of this article cannot pasken in this area- in fact I will go ahead and say that a psak that depends on very complex medical science… Read more »

Knowledge is power! Thank you to the previous author
December 25, 2016 11:56 pm

I had no idea about the two panel! I really appreciate this married couple who brought things to our attention so my husband and I can now make an INFORMED decision as to how to proceed with our shidduch age children!

A lot of fluff
December 25, 2016 8:39 pm

The gist of this op-ed is basically saying that dor yesharim has done and does a lot of good. Nobody is denying that! However there is much more than can be done… Yes, this mother writes to warn and make others aware how they can avoid a scenario which she herself encountered!! So yes, because Dor Yesharim failed her!!!
And frankly, 2 rabbis giving their opinions based on nothing is pointless. Perhaps, Dr. Rosen or other Drs can come together to pen an op-ed.

#25
December 25, 2016 4:42 pm

They were carriers for a disease that wasn’t on Dor Yeshorim’s 2nd panel either.

Clarification: Jnetic is not a business
December 25, 2016 4:24 pm

To all those saying that the the author of the previous article was a competing business: That is wrong.
They did contrast Dor Yeshorim with an alternative testing organization – Jscreen, which is not affiliated them.

Jnetic (the previous author’s organization) is simply raising awareness, not asking for any payment.

Jscreen
December 25, 2016 2:58 pm

Cost less and provides more extensive testing so why would one pay more to get less information. Usually when you go to a Dr. You want the most possible available information so you can make the most informed decisions.

to 28
December 25, 2016 1:00 pm

DY is under the psak of leading poskim

Reckless?
December 25, 2016 10:36 am

With all due respect to the two esteemed Rabbis, isn’t it reckless to encourage people to suffice with the DY testing and potentially burden a couple with a lifetime of suffering or even worse Chas Visholom? Are you Paskening as Rabbonim? I would love to see a Psak from our Lubavitcher Rabbonim on this matter as to what is Mutar and what is Asur and what is our Hischayvus in terms of our human Hishtadlus.

To #16
December 25, 2016 10:19 am

I am so sorry for your loss and for all the pain you have had & surely must still have. Yours is the only comment that really matters, although I agree with this article. Dor Yeshorim saves lives and through the efforts of Rabbi Ekstein & his team, G-d willing we will see the eradication of such diseases. To John: all my children were tested, as were their spouses & all, B”H were compatible. I have no idea if any of them are carriers for genetic diseases – what matters is that TOGETHER, each couple is not going to have… Read more »

Knowledge is power
December 25, 2016 10:17 am

The more we educate ourselves and our community about potential genetic health risks the more prepared we will be to avoid or deal with them. I truly appreciate both articles because now I know what my choices are. Until now I thought that DY was covering everything that was possible to know through testing (Perhaps my ignorance) now I am informed otherwise and I can decide what level of risk I am willing to accept. I personally would like to do everything in my power to prevent health problems and then Daven to HaShem knowing that I did my very… Read more »

Confusion
December 25, 2016 8:18 am

I think there is a lot of confusion. Jnetics is not a lab nor does it offer testing nor is it competing with Dor Yishorim jnetvis is a website that offers information regarding the differences between dor yishorim’s testing and jscreen. If you do DY testing make sure to do both panels. The author of the previous article was unaware of a second panel being offered (most ppl taking DY are not informed that theee are two panels) and unfortunately we’re both carriers for the same genetic disease. This could have easily been avoided if they were made aware of… Read more »

20 stigma?
December 25, 2016 4:09 am

Even if the dor yeshorim model was approved by poskim (chabad??) That doesn’t mean they have any expertise on whether the medical science is there. For that we need to ask the relevant doctors, not poskim

change
December 25, 2016 1:05 am

Genetics have changed so much, and although DY does accomplish it’s goal, those of us who deal with genetic issues just can’t see things from the perspective of “doing the most basic for the most people will help the most people”. Some of us found ourselves outside that category. Also, the original author pointed out the options to preventing disease in couples who DY would just not allow to marry. Genetics have gotten a lot more complicated than the authors of this article realize, and patting everyone on the head saying “DY works!” is frankly, patronizing and off putting. I… Read more »

Agree!
December 25, 2016 12:25 am

Thanks for posting!
The other article did leave me wondering
Thanks for clarifying

listen to the Rebbe
December 24, 2016 11:18 pm

He said that when it comes to Torah questions, we should ask 3 chassidishe rabbonim. But when it comes to health, we should ask doctors: In other words, in addition to that which has been discussed recently concerning the imperative to fulfill the instruction of the Mishnah, “Make for yourself a teacher,”[4] and in matters related to healing, to consult with doctors, according to the statement of our sages on the verse, “And he will surely heal”[5] [“From here we see that a healer is given permission to heal”[6]]. These directives are not related to “Come, let us consider an… Read more »

Stigma?
December 24, 2016 11:18 pm

#15 Dor yesharim is not the cause of the stigma attached to this issue. More it their mission to combat it. It would indeed be a good thing to reduce the signs of being s genetic carrier of serious disease. However, this is something that needs to be taken up by a different organization. In the meantime, Dor yesharim must do what it can to reduce the incidence of these diseases. It is worth noting that the model used by Dor yesharim was essentially mandated by the major Poskim at the time the organization was founded. In the interim, no… Read more »

Just because something isnt life threatening...
December 24, 2016 10:50 pm

doesn’t mean that it is not worth to try and prevent
do not undermine the effect of a chronic, “manageable” disease

conflict of interest.
December 24, 2016 10:25 pm

The person behind the previous article, opened up a competing business. Therefore, whatever they say should have been taken with a grain of salt, since they clearly lack credibility. Thank you Rabbis Paltiel and Teldon for speaking up, and adding clarity to this confused generation.

Responsible Response
December 24, 2016 9:49 pm

Thank you.

Thank you
December 24, 2016 9:48 pm

am so glad you posted this article, My husband and I are both Tay-Sachs carriers we got married before Dor Yeshorim was around, B’H for Dor Yeshorim they have saved countless couples from unbearable grief and heartbreak. I was so agitated when I read the ridiculous claim that it was better to not do Dor Yeshorim because they don’t test for every sickness. My daughter lived in the local children’s hospital for 4 years before she died, the hospital was a huge city block long and 12 stories high and every kid had a different sickness. There are no warranties… Read more »

John
December 24, 2016 9:44 pm

A nice article and covered a lot of points but the answer on the stigma point has been left unanswered.
They said it’s time to get rid of the stigma of having a mutation by everybody going public. The answer here is let’s keep the stigma going?

@#8
December 24, 2016 8:31 pm

Dor Yeshorim and Jnetic are looking at different sides of the coin. Dor Yeshorim works toward eliminating certain devastating genitic disorders, and sparing unnecessary pain and fear. If boy A is cv”s a carrier of Tay Sachs, and girl B is a carrier of CF, they can get married and have kids who will not have either disease. They will never know they are carriers, and will have no genitive worries. Note go to a different lab, and boy C finds out that he is a carrier of something. He is an honest guy and tells girl D his status.… Read more »

Concerned
December 24, 2016 8:29 pm

Thank you SOOOOOOOOO much for your clarification. While one can hear the pain of the writer of the previous article, it was extemely disconcerting and this clarifies a lot about what dor yeshorim does. Thanks

A letterrible from s nogeia bdavar
December 24, 2016 8:17 pm

I was disappointed how easily you printed the first article. Ad I read it was obviously written by a competitor with a financial interest & hence automatically carried an inherent bias anti Direct Yeshorim.

so what they are test for ?
December 24, 2016 8:15 pm

with all respect ,they must give carrier the full info …and made the tests more , over 30 years all science and medicine can give full answer and not be limited for few mutations …..

Thank you for posting
December 24, 2016 7:48 pm

Dorm yesharim is an amazing organization

Thank you
December 24, 2016 7:43 pm

I was pretty sure from the other article that the reason for Dor Yeshorim not testing for many genetic mutations was that those illness were not life threatening and had the backing of Rabbonim. Thank you for clarifying.
May Klal Yisroel be bentched with only healthy babies!

Communication?
December 24, 2016 7:27 pm

Why can’t Dor Yeshorim and Jnetic sit down and talk and let Dor Yeshorim address the concerns they have?

Thanks
December 24, 2016 7:11 pm

Thanks for the clarity

i am happy you responded
December 24, 2016 6:50 pm

the other article was very lopsided and irresponsible.

Thank you
December 24, 2016 6:22 pm

For Dor Yeshorim, Rabbi E, Rabbi Teldon ,Rabbi Paltiel & COL for printing this informative article & for everything you do for klal Yisroel.
A freilichen Chanukah

ask a roifay yedid
December 24, 2016 6:09 pm

In the future, before posting any report, letter, op-ed etc. involving the trustworthiness of reputable organizations or people, one should first consult an expert in the field. for medical issues – reputable doctors. for halacha – rabbonim, for chinuch matters – experiened mechanchim. etc. etc.
Because once the bull gets out there it’s very hard to retract it even with writing another letter contradicting and proving how untruthful the posted report was.

Well written!!
December 24, 2016 5:34 pm

Thanks for clarifying!

Well said!
December 24, 2016 2:09 pm

This article makes so much sense! I will admit… I got a little panicky after reading the letter showing Dor Yeshorim in a negative light!! But BH these two intelligent Rabbonim have totally put my mind at rest. Thank you

Kol hakavod for speaking up for this great service!
December 24, 2016 11:43 am
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