Jun 21, 2014
Dear School Parent...

Rabbi Yossi Zeidman, a teacher in Morristown, responds to the parent hurting over a school administrator's threatening tuition letter.

By: Rabbi Yossi Zeidman, Cheder Lubavitch of Morristown

I was very shocked and dismayed to read the letter the author wrote on behalf of her friend. We have a chinuch crisis, and the article and its comments pushed me to stand up and say something.

There is a serious problem in our schools, and it is our mentality regarding teachers and their salaries.

A great sefer that every Lubavitcher should own is Shaarei Chinuch, which is a compilation of many letters and sichos from the Rebbe about the importance of proper chinuch. In the section about parental obligations, there are a few direct quotes from the Rebbe addressing the financial strain of chinuch al taharas hakodesh. The Rebbe says that tuition must be the very first expense on a household budget!

Can you imagine? Before rent, before food, before health insurance. Before clothing. Thinking your daughter deserves a full education and diploma, without fully paying for it is unacceptable. The authors friend (and our community as a whole) needs to view tuition as her number one priority. A teacher being two months behind in paychecks cannot be considered acceptable. Four or five months is not when the emergency begins!

The author described the stress and problems behind the closed doors of her friends house. Isnt there a lot of stress that teachers deal with, wondering how they will afford their own necessities? Are we considering that? Our mindsets and perspectives need to change.

We need to realize that teachers are suffering as a result of this mentality. When teachers suffer, the whole school is at risk. If a school cannot provide for its teachers, it cannot provide for its students. The authors friend who refuses to move tuition to the top of her budget is causing untold stress and despair for the teacher, and subsequently for the rest of the students in the class.

Ive come to learn that great teachers and great students do not make a viable and financially successful school. Look at my incredible cheder and youll see why.

We have award-winning staff, such as R Mannis Frankel who won the Menachem Education Foundations teacher of the year award.

We have creative and dedicated preschool teachers, who took their students out of Mitzrayim last year and this year brought them into Eretz Yisroel.

The teachers have instilled an amazing set of middos in their students. Last years eighth graders worked tirelessly to raise money for a class trip, and then unanimously decided, on their own, to buy a megillah for their beloved rebbie, R Tenenbaum, instead.

Our students are also ahead of their peers when it comes to academics. Im very proud of my talmid for coming in first place in the international Sefer HaMitzvos Chidon. (Link to donate to my school is at the bottom of the article.)

Despite this proven success in education, the teachers here are nevertheless behind in our paychecks. In Morristown there is Baruch Hashem a concerted effort to pay tuition, while in many schools that is not the case. However, we are still in a financial emergency, due in part to the attitude and outlook about the priority of tuition and the importance of teacher salaries. One month behind in pay is one month too many! When will our Chabad community and schools fully understand this? When will we step up our fundraising to ensure teachers are paid on time? When will we stop having rachmanus on parents at the expense of the teachers? Everyone knows you need to have mesirus nefesh for chinuch, but reading what the Rebbe says will reveal that we have it backwards. Its not the teachers who must have mesirus nefesh to go into debt in order to teach. Its the parents who must have mesirus nefesh to afford the chinuch they want for their children.

The author stresses that her friend really wants to pay tuition, but her other expenses are higher importance on her budget. If we would all make a concerted effort to follow the Rebbes horaos, our schools would be in better conditions. What would this mother do if she paid tuition first, and then needed to pay for her other expenses, like rent and food? Would she go to the store with a sense of entitlement and say: Ive been buying your produce the last few years. I dont have money for you now, but because I want to pay you, you must accept that as good enough, and give me food.? Of course not. She would borrow money from friends or family if she really needed to. That is what parents must do. That is the mesirus nefesh needed in todays times for chinuch. Why should teachers have to beg and borrow and rely on handouts from their family, so they can afford to continue teaching?

When teachers are not everyones first priority, the school is doomed to fail. When an administration allows a parent to continue sending their child to school with overdue tuition, the school has just placed the parents wellbeing ahead of its staff!

Of course we should do everything we can to help families pay for the services teachers provide. We should get more government funding. The community should give more assistance. The parents themselves should be more involved with raising scholarship funds, to help cover costs. Ultimately, though, our mindset needs to change.

I applaud the administration that this author unashamedly rebuked. I wish more schools and parent bodies showed the same dedication to its staff.
The Rebbe says that Hashem does not chas vshalom let financial burdens get in the way of Chinuch. Hashem surely sends extra brachos to those who give themselves over to chinuch al taharas hakoidesh. I give everyone a bracha for parnasa and that - the should not chas vshalom extinguish or even dampen our love and connection to Hashem. I give everyone a bracha to have the understanding to follow in the ways our Rebbe directed.

A Gezunte Zummer!

You can donate to Cheder Lubavitch of Morristown here. Thank you for your support. Any donations are very much appreciated.

(Photos are from my Kita Daled class: Making rain sticks for Zayin/Yud Zayin Cheshvan. Decorating masks for Purim, and making a video about Sefer Yehoshua.)

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missed the point
I believe the point was the way it was handled! Noone is measuring whos ffinancial situation is greater. Your blood is no reder than mine. It must be done in a respectful manner
(6/20/2014 9:32:04 PM)
Thank you
I agree
(6/21/2014 5:41:01 AM)
Thank you so much for addressing this point
I read many of the comments in the last article with a great deal of dismay.

I stopped teaching because I was owed tens of thousands of dollars. People thought that I was wrong to have stopped and that I didn't have mesiras nefesh.

What hurt me most was the expectant behaviour of the non paying parents.

Reading some of the comments in the last article, it was mentioned time and time again, that both parents are going out to work and trying to raise money to support their family, but there is just not enough money.

I don't understand how this is relevant at all. You are going to work. You are getting paid for your work. How can you for a second think that it is ok for teachers not to get paid. Teachers are taking over your job. You had children. It is your job to educate them. Don't expect someone to do it for free.

In regard to you having huge families, that shouldn't become the teachers problem. You can speak to a Rov and if you really can't cope there are Heterim.

It is many years later, and I was never paid the money that I was owed. Can you imagine the Agmas Nefesh that I your child's teacher went through not knowing how I would pay my rent or put food on the table. Can you imagine the stress I was under looking for another job. Can you imagine the pain that I experienced not knowing how I wouldn't drown and having to ask my family for handouts?
(6/21/2014 7:27:39 AM)
With all due respect....
It's not the message, it's the messenger! I doubt many people believe that teachers should not get paid. However, there is an air of insensitivity and callousness within some authoritative figures in the community (and some nonauthoratative figures). This crass manner of communicating in unacceptable. It does not represent the Rebbe, the original nature of our message, nor does it send an honorable message to those both within AND outside of our community. As a leader of quality and (hopefully) wisdom, it is that leader's duty to first be a mensch and then be an organizer/planner/tuition collector, etc. If said leader does not portray the qualities of a wise and compassionate leaders in his/her role, then he/she is no better, in fact even worse, than the family who has not been able to find funds for tuition. Let's get our priorities in the spiritual realm before we start sounding like money is the most important element in our midst. We can have all the money in the world and yet have nothing. Conversely, we can have no money , yet live richly. If we have both $ and menschkite, all the better. But if we don't start thinking about how we communicate to our fellow-Jews (and all people), then I think we had better take a good look at ourselves. Where have we kept a covenant, and where have we forgotten to revisit it with our hearts?
(6/21/2014 3:13:29 PM)
I'm so shocked at this letter.... I have no words....... How cruel can one be to not only ignore the plight of the poor family who are in dire straits, but to admonish them with this? No words...!!!t All I can say is that I am a teacher and I am owed thousands but I wouldn't dream of taking money from this family or anyone in a similar situation.
(6/21/2014 7:37:30 PM)
I have to say
You are 100% right!!!!
(6/21/2014 8:40:02 PM)
Well written to the point
Could have done with out the " we are the best attitude" the article drives home a point well needed to be vocalized
(6/21/2014 9:32:25 PM)
Missed the point
They are broke. Not adequate food on table.
(6/21/2014 9:38:51 PM)
to #5
I'm sorry you are missing the point the author clearly says that there should be financial support for those types of families but why is it that the first place we turn to and say they should give them a break, is the school, which in turn by doing so it's making another family I.e. the teachers not be able to afford the basics!

If the community would focus inward and support first and foremost our schools, which in turn would allow the parents/supporters to demand a higher standard of education, our chinuch system would be in a much better state.
(6/21/2014 10:14:39 PM)
The reason for this situation
The reason why parents would pay for food rent etc. is because tuition is put at extremely high prices so the parents think if I can't pay it anyway why pay anything if schools would speak with parents and put tuition at a reasonable price they would pay a lot more.
(6/21/2014 10:18:05 PM)
great point
This article brings to light a very important point in this debate. A large part of life is about prioritizing
(6/21/2014 10:22:01 PM)
Citizen Berel
Will look into that book.

Before rent and food -- I doubt it ...(though everything else is likely and if the says before rent and food then that's that).

Wasn't that way in Europe, and it makes no sense. The standard for most of the time was that who could afford it did, and who couldn't did not and had children who remained ignorant r'l.

When there were hard times, Chabad went above and beyond and had bochurim teach cheder for Jewish children. How much do you think those russian kids or their parents paid in tution?
Did the underground ask the parents to give up there home or food to provide a living for the bochurim?

Only recently did every Yid receiving a full education become the standard. And It's a standard we need to preserve by hook or crook and my opinion is that that trumps any other ongoing Jewish concern, including outreach.

I suspect that were it to come down to CH parents literally choosing between food an chinuch, than Merkos would have to turn all fundraising efforts towards the local Chabad institutions.

And if comes down to that better to have schools with less prestigious and pretentious teachers than to only have schools that only the financial elite can afford.

If things get bad enough, we may again wind up with bochurim teaching the kids rather than proffesionals, because the affordable model must win out.

In any case, that certainly will happen before we give the food money to the schools.
(6/21/2014 10:22:36 PM)

"In regard to you having huge families, that shouldn't become the teachers problem. You can speak to a Rov and if you really can't cope there are Heterim. "
The same Rebbe you follow who says to pay tuition, also said to not make a financial cheshbon in regard to family size...I am truly shocked by this comment.
And any school who relies on PARENTS TUITION to pay teachers is in serious trouble.
That money is nowhere near enough...fund raise.
(6/21/2014 10:26:26 PM)
(6/21/2014 10:28:34 PM)
Thank you!
Thank you for bringing to light something that is all too often ignored in our community! Bh I work in a place that pays on time but I could not imagine what other teachers in that situation have to go through.
(6/21/2014 10:31:49 PM)
Both sides
Yes, it is the in thing to try to get away with paying as little tuition as possible. This is wrong. I know people who fight to pay less but own country homes(paid for), go on vacation and buy. Designer cloths. However, there has to be major fundraising efforts by the s hool to raise funds. A school can not exist on tuition alone. So both are right.
(6/21/2014 10:34:57 PM)
Great Article!
Hopefully this will help take us in the right direction regarding all of our community's problems.
(6/21/2014 10:35:50 PM)
The Torah gives responsibility of educating your to the parents. As it says "vshinantam levanecha", it is not the schools responsibility. The parent makes the teacher a shaliach to fulfil his obligation. If you can't pay for the service don't make it the schools problem.
(6/21/2014 10:42:25 PM)
well said
Thank you
(6/21/2014 10:47:47 PM)
Teachers Pay
The problem isn't from the parents that can't afford to pay the problem is the higher ups paying them selfs first and very well (like buying houses around CH, going on Vacations ect) that's the reason the teachers don't get paid.
(6/21/2014 10:54:07 PM)
The real problem
Fundraise from who?
Who should fundraise?
It sounds great but practically - tell me the name of the yungerman who says when I grow up I want to fundraise for a Cheder.
And the 10 rich people in CH are so bombarded - they can't keep up!
This is not about tuition or salaries - the real issue is a that our education system is going to fall apart because we don't earn enough to sustain it, or have enough supporters who want to support it or care about it.
(6/21/2014 10:59:31 PM)
You Are right BUT!!
As a husband of a school teacher.

When you have a school in CH that is behind 4-6. months to the teachers, and the top administrators are getting their checks on time. Thats when there is a problem.
When these people claim that they keep the school together and they deserve a check on time THERE IS SOMETHING VERY WRONG.

Yes they work overtime, yes they've been there 40 years.
These same people should be the last ones to get paid when there are teachers that cant put food on the table.
The same school makes sure that the parents that are also teachers pay tuition on time.
All the workers deserve to get paid in an equal way.
Shalom L.
(6/21/2014 11:09:03 PM)
100% correct
Why do parents financial situation take pecidence over a teacher?! Teachers need to be paid.
(6/21/2014 11:09:18 PM)
great article
most people plea poverty and put tuition on the bottom of theri list.they go to the country,go to florida for peasach or even make over their housr.shame of themselves.tuition is first so teachers can get paid.very appropiate artice
(6/21/2014 11:11:41 PM)
Big problem
There is unfortunately a big problem with tuition these days
I'm Lubavitch because when my grandfather came out of concentration camp the only school that excepted him with pay was Lubavitch
I don't think the Rebbe would not want a helika neshama of a boy or girl not to have the full education in Lubavitch just because her or his parents don't have money
(6/21/2014 11:12:35 PM)
poor teachers
teachers do not have to be rich

but they should definitely not be poor

do you want your sons rebbe to teach or worry?
(6/21/2014 11:12:57 PM)
Yossi G
Schools should also do a better job of fundraising so that the burden the parents and teachers have will be minimized.

Beis Rivkah pays their teachers half a year late at times, there are no excuses for that...
(6/21/2014 11:17:19 PM)
Let's get honest!
Let's stop and think for a while! What kind of priorities do we want to stand for!? How do we want to be portrayed in the end? How would the Rebbe suggest we conduct such "business"? How should we be communicating to each other? And how should leaders in these cheders be speaking to parents? I don't believe any of these answers would fall into the category of "talk to parents in rude, nasty, ignorant, cruel, crass, uneducated, mean, degrading, disrespectful ways ". Leaders are supposed to be leaders with character and good judgment, which should be used in both easy and difficult situations they are confronted with. Otherwise, they are not good leaders and should be replaced.
(6/21/2014 11:24:51 PM)
To Mr. author the problem is the way the school handles things that's what the letter was about second I love how everybody loves to quote the Rebbe the Rebbe also spoke about the responsibilities that the schools have to the children that at any cost children should remain in school P.S BTW A lot of people that are in the system don't belong in the schools
(6/21/2014 11:26:30 PM)
#20 and to #16 AND I was a teacher TOO! !;-)
To # 20 how can you say that????? Please! Never judge anyone even If the outside of them (their financial status looks "crystal clear"). Ok?
#16 well said.
(6/21/2014 11:30:00 PM)
against darkei noam
This comment goes against darkei noam and vision of the Rebbe!
who is there to give advice!!!!!!!!
(6/21/2014 11:30:15 PM)
missing the point
Rabbi your article is well written, but It seems you failed to address a focal point. Why the threats? WE WILL EMBARRASSED YOU! Is there letters about that you can display here?
(6/21/2014 11:40:17 PM)
Leave the kids out of it
This article makes an important point. The previous article made a different one: no child should be treated differently in school based on the parents' financial arrears. No child should be called to the office, sent home, or be singled out in any way due to finances. The money is an adult responsibility and cheshbon.
(6/21/2014 11:43:15 PM)
Reduce your expenses
... by living somewhere less expensive. If you choose to live in CH (and yes, it is a choice), then don't complain about the cost of living. Do something about it, move somewhere less expensive!
(6/21/2014 11:57:08 PM)
From a teacher to a teacher... We, too, are part of the problem
I too am a teacher, and have been, baruch hashem for 12 years now. My husband teaches as well, and our salaries cover for part of our living expenses. There is much written by the Rebbe about the devotion that Rebbeim and Morahs must have for their post. There are many brochos that are promised to those who teach Torah. There are very high expectations of dedication to the job. The Rebbe says that teachers are responsible for their children's behavior and chinuch both inside and outside of school. And the Rebbe derides those teachers who are distracted from their teaching because they are supplementing their salaries with second jobs.

So what is a teacher meant to do? It seems that a teacher is to be fully dedicated - day and night - to the shlichus. A teacher should not take on additional jobs to help supplement the meager (even if timely) income. And what is the teacher to do when their children need to be educated too? Who then pays the tuition? What about when both parents salaries don't cover the cost of tuition for the children?

I am not trying to bash anybody, or put anyone down, but I am in an honest quandary. Many families these days is struggling to make ends meet. Many schools are struggling to make ends meet. And the cost of living and tuition is rising annually. What happens when we teachers, too, become part of this special circle of people unable to cover tuitions? We are witholding our own paychecks. At the expense of our rent. And food. And health insurance (which is now fined if not purchased). Where is it supposed to come from? The only seeming solution is to minimize the number of expenses - children. Something that was unthinkable not too long ago, but that many of my friends are strongly considering today.

I don't know who should be addressing this, or what the answer could be, but not everyone can teach a class, not everyone can fundraise their childrens tuition, and not every child can handle being raised on scraps so that they could get a frum education.

Baruch Hashem, the school that I work for is incredibly kind, and has helped us with a plan that works. For now. But when our combined household salary is 65k, how will we cover four high school tuitions at 15k/child annually? (And that's if we stop having children now, ch'v) You do the math...
(6/21/2014 11:59:46 PM)
Missing the Point!
There is no question that the Rebbes need to be paid ON TIME, however it is unconscionable that innocent students, should be scapegoated/embarrassed! THAT is the point of the original article!
(6/22/2014 12:02:07 AM)
In our times, chinuch is a COMMUNITY obligation!
Yehoshua ben Gamla was a Kohein Gadol during the Chashmonaen era. As the leader of the community he realized the disaster which was developing from the inability of fathers to link their sons to the Mesorah. He saw that although there is a biblical mitzvah for every father to educate their children due to travel and parnasah issues it simply wasnt happening. Yehoshua enacted an innovation which was revolutionary at the time he established a school system - predating the public school system by about 1900 years.

The Chachmei Yisroel supported him on this initiative and it became a Takana for all future generations. Rav, the great Rosh Yeshivah of Sura and Gadol Hador told us to, Remember Yehoshua ben Gamla for good, for had it not been for him, Torah would have been forgotten from Israel.

The Rambam writes that since the enactment of the Takanah of Yehoshua ben Gamla there is an obligation on every community to build and support a school in their community where every child can learn Torah.

A fascinating Halachic insight is stated by Rebbe Tzvi Elimelech Shapiro ((Bnei Yissoschor) . Although the original Mitzvoh of Talmud Torah was to teach your children or to pay someone to teach your children; VShinantom LVanecho, once the Takana of Yehoshua ben Gamla was enacted the chiyuv itself transformed into an obligation to create a community school where all children can (and must) attend; if need be without tuition. Therefore, the Bnei Yissoschor posits, if a community member does not participate in the creation of this school, not only is he falling short on his community obligation but indeed he has not fulfilled even his personal requirement to educate his own son. He quotes the Pri Megadim who taught that once a Takonas Chachomim redefines the way we do a Mitzvah Dorayso that becomes the definition of the mitzvoh, in exclusion of any other interpretation. Such is the working of Torah SheBaal Peh.

Subsequent to the Takana, Chazal emphatically taught any city or town that has not built a community school where everyone is welcome to come learn will ultimately be destroyed and if one lives there they must leave for the world continues to stand only because of the hevel pihem shel bais Rabban.

The Nimukei Yosef records a fascinating debate dating back more than a thousand years. Rav Palti Gaon (638C.E.) instituted a penalty for individuals who refused to pay debts that Beis Din imposed. The penalties included a Cherem i.e. he cannot be counted in a Minyan, it is asur to circumcise his son or bury his dead and his children may not attend the school.

Ten Centuries later the Maharshal challenged the ruling. He argues that circumcising a son is a fathers obligation and therefore we can refuse to help him. However since the Takana of Yehoshua ben Gamla, it is no longer the fathers responsibility to educate the boy but rather the responsibility of the entire community. By expelling the child from the school we would not be penalizing the father but ourselves! He explained that by depriving this one child of a Torah education the community could G-d forbid suffer unspeakable suffering.
(6/22/2014 12:02:28 AM)
To the author
I am a teacher but let me say this:

You wrote an excellent PR piece for your school.

Secondly, the original author did not say teachers should not be paid. But when a family can barely survive & they get this insensitive, blunt missive....of course it hurts! Couldn't the school (& we all know which one sent it out) have been more sensitive? Offer the parents to come in & talk & see how the two parties can work it out?

As a teacher, there have been many months when we haven't been paid. Do you think we work only for the money? Or only for the zchus of teaching your kids? It's a combination. I'm older now & I'm tired. I'd love to "retire" but I can't afford to. And I would miss my students too much. I sympathize with parents who are treated like fraudsters, you can't get blood out of a stone! At the risk of being branded heretical (& I haven't read Shaarei Chinuch) did you "misinterpret" the Rebbe's words? If tuition for 10 kids eats up the rent, please tell me where people should live. WITH YOU?
(6/22/2014 12:02:35 AM)
Another problem.
Another problem is schools are giving "shluchim" discounts. But where is the money coming from? They are getting discounts on our backs.
(6/22/2014 12:06:30 AM)
There seems to be plenty of money to pay the administration salaries, I've never heard or seen an administrator that is hurting. It is no secret that some administrators seem to be doing just fine, they think the parents are stupid and blind. They teachers should should confront the school administration and find out what the heck is going on. All the school employees closer to the top of the pyramid are getting paid nice salaries with health benefits and on time. I am a small business owner, before I cut myself a paycheck, I make sure that my 8 employees have not only received their pay but that their checks have cleared the bank. Can the administrators of the yeshivahs girls and boys say the same? Parents need to do what they have to do for sure!! But the heads of the schools are responsible to cover the payroll. Do your jobs and stop blaming everyone else. c
(6/22/2014 12:08:06 AM)
I knew the author when he was a child, and his parents kept the preschool and day school open in our extremely small community. They did everything humanly possible as administrators and board members to ensure our teachers were paid first and other expenses that the school had came second. At the same time, no one was turned away for inability to pay. This author saw the countless hours his parents devoted to making chinuch a reality in our small outpost. School boards need to heed his words and ensure that th. Board's priorities are straight as to howthe bills are paid.
(6/22/2014 12:10:10 AM)
Kol Hakavod
while I do not agree with everything the writer says, I am impressed that he can stand behind his words and put his name on it. Anonymous Op-eds mean that you do not stand behind what you are saying enough to put your name on it. Thank you for standing up and being brave.
(6/22/2014 12:15:24 AM)
ch resident
what about if u don't have food to put on the table. should paying tuition still be top priority??
(6/22/2014 12:25:34 AM)
wrong attitude
I think most school adminstrators and teachers will stand up to defend the schools. I perfectly understand that teachers need to be paid. that is obvious. Everyone needs parnassa.
But if a parent truly has difficulty, the school needs to display more sensitivity and more chesed. Not all parents have to be treated the same way. It is different to send a threatening sounding letter to an obstinate parent who simply does not believe in paying high tuition, compared to a family that mamash is struggling and suffering shame and other emotional situations. All families cannot be lumped together. And it is unfair to do so.
Everyone likes to make it sound like teachers do not get paid....yet many people in charge of yeshivahs are driving expensive cars and living quite a luxurious lifestyle while parents struggle to pay tuition....so not everything is as simple and black and white as it sounds. there has to be a better system that does not rely solely on parents to pay tuition. the Rebbe was never in favor of turning a child away or punishing a child because tuition was not paid in full. There have to be better ways to collect money and not put the entire burden on the parents.
(6/22/2014 12:27:36 AM)
I wish I was rich ....
Why Lubavitch doing so many good to all the Jews around the world but can't make free tuition schools for their own kids ?
Why ? .....
Free tuition -no heiterim - more kids- bigger community - more homeowners -more local busnesses .....

If the school can't pay salary to the teacher - it's a time to do some school reforms to seek help from Gvirim or from the Government .....

(6/22/2014 12:33:56 AM)
To #34
If I had a nickel for every time someone said that, I would be able to cover tuition for everyone in CH!

Your argument has been proven time and again to be nonsense. Housing and rent is cheaper outside CH, but everything else is more expensive.

Furthermore, the job market in NYC is one of the best in the world right now. Good luck finding a job in Alabama or Louisiana.

For the record, in safe, good areas, no matter where, housing and rent will always come at a premium.

If you don't like CH, feel free to move out, but don't be shocked when that new place you move to isn't what you were seeing in your dreams.
(6/22/2014 12:38:56 AM)
why not homeschooling?
tons of families in crown heights all in the same situation. get together with a couple friends and homeschool your kids! once your kids learn how to read, they can basically teach themselves. prices are so high partly because of excess demand, so look for other solutions. if you can't afford beis rivkah or olei torah, thats ok! You don't have to go there!
(6/22/2014 12:41:35 AM)
Payment for Teachers
Yes, the Rebbe's need to be paid on time, but ever since yeshivas were founded they have raised very large percentages of that money through fundraising, I have nine children in school right now, and indeed, tuition is my 1st priority, Nevertheless, if I paid full tuition, I would be paying over ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS! If I did that I--and most of the parents--would have long ago died of starvation, rendering the yeshiva non-existant. So, yes, Rebbe's need to get paid, but the yeshiva;s need to do more to raise the money. Might I add that a Rebbe's priority should not be to drive a Lexus, A seasoned rebbi from one of the yeshiva;s I send my children to asked me recently if I know anyone looking for a rebbi job for the grade he teaches..."It pays VERY WELL," he added.
(6/22/2014 12:45:08 AM)
There needs to be a fund to help Anash in an emergency, discreetly and efficiently. Iy"H I'm trying to do one as it's desparately needed...
(6/22/2014 12:50:12 AM)
administators are the problem
The schools should be required to publicize their books. We live in a community where the administrators and whole extended family have a pretty cushy standard of living: nice houses, vacations, etc. For sure teachers should be getting paid. Our school is getting a lot of tuition from families. The funds are being MISAPPROPRIATED into the pockets of the administrators
(6/22/2014 12:52:22 AM)
#4 is 100 percent right
No one is saying that tuition is not important. A person has to have a sensitivity to the plight of poor families. That is what is missing. Instead of threating people, go visit their houses and see the situation. I assure it, it was never done. Anyone who threatens should be dismissed from their job. I got a email from office of yeshiva that they want to talk with me because I wanted to delay a payment one week. I emailed back, email what you want to say. He never emailed me back because he was afraid to put his threats in writing . The writer of this article misses the point.
(6/22/2014 12:59:18 AM)
I need 100-150k per child for 12 years school life for tuition only
The question what should be my annual income for the family with 3 kids ? Or 6 kids ? ....I want to pay rent and feed my kids healthy food , I will cut on after school programs , tutors , vacations , Simhas and fancy clothes ....
Rent 2 bedroom for 3 kids or 3 bedroom for 6 kids ....
No way I can afford big family for now ..... What I need to go the public school ?
(6/22/2014 1:02:20 AM)
How will it help?
How will kicking kids out of school when their parents can't afford tuition help to pay teachers' salaries?

Does embarrassing them help pay teachers' salaries?

How about giving parents a hard time because they have no money, will that help the teachers get paid?

Perhaps you would like to see schools only admit students whose parents can afford to pay full tuition. Then the schools would have a lot fewer students and they could fire most of their current teachers. The lucky few teachers that remained would get paid on time though. Unfortunately that would leave most of the kids without an education. I bet the school administrators would still get good salaries though.
(6/22/2014 1:09:21 AM)
The problem is that the money doesn't go to better the schools or assist the teachers; the money goes into the pockets of the administrators - enabling them to purchase more bungalows and buy designer labeled clothing. A school's finances should b opened for a board for members to see so money goes where it belongs to better the school as a whole.
Another point I wanted to state: when my parents came to discuss tuition for their daughter and requested a tuition reduction since they had many kids in school at the them, the administrator responded: "who asked you to have so many kids?"!!!
So while I agree that parents should have tuition as their first priority, asking for tuition to be paid should be done respectfully and tuition should go to better the school, not the administrators.
(6/22/2014 1:13:52 AM)
Yasher koach to the author
The author is correct except for one point--government assistance. To the extent that government grants are available, it is a source to be considered, but cautiously, as the government always attaches strings, many of which are inimical to Yiddishkeit. Also, to those who assumed that the parent whose child was refused graduation over tuition was treated rudely, I doubt it. When a parent is having trouble paying tuition, the proper thing is to tell the school and ask for help early. Unless there was some sudden emergency at graduation time, what the earlier writer probably failed to tell us, or didn't know was that the parent in question was delinquent for many months, leaving the school with no leverage to collect tuition following graduation. I once had a wealthy college roommate's diploma held up by the college because he left me with a $100 in phone charges. In any event, I doff my Borsalino to Rabbi Zeidman for bringing clarity to this urgent problem.
(6/22/2014 1:25:32 AM)
From one teacher to another
Yossi, your article is courages and important. Teachers should not only be paid on time, but also paid enough to live without constant worry.

Where should the money come from? Parents, but most importantly, fundraising. This is the way it was forever.

Wishing get you continued hatlzacha in your holy and essential work.
(6/22/2014 1:27:50 AM)
Two General Arguments
There seem to be two recurring themes here:
1) The Administrators/Rebbeim(?)/Parents are really flush with cash for redecorating/shaitels/vacations.
2) The school should not embarrass the children.

1) This argument - coming from both sides against the other - is based on one ugly middah - KINAH! Sorry for revealing that the emperor has no clothes, but anyone who is judging anyone else and is clearly green with envy that they (seem to be) enjoying oilam hazeh more - with vacations, shaitels, renovations, and Lexuses - is displaying the most slimy character traits! Stop judging others! Fargin the parents their "vacation", the administrators their cars, and the teachers their shaitels. "Al todin es chavercha ad shetagiya limikomo" for crying out loud!

2) Likewise, don't judge from one part of one person's rendition of a tale whether or not people were/are being embarrassed! There are so many other parts to the story that we are not privy to, that we'd be flying off half cocked to attempt to make a judgement. How many times previously has this family been contacted? Are they really in the financial straights that their "friend" (by her own admission) portrays them to be? At the end of the day, was the child embarrassed, or was this simply an attempt to collect? Was there more to this email itself that the author neglected to share?

While Rabbi Z loses some credibility by going a bit over the top, he has a very valid premise and it would be worthwhile for every parent to make an honest cheshbon hanefesh of what the greatest priority of his life is vs should be.
(6/22/2014 1:32:15 AM)
To "I wish I was rich"
Free tuition for your children?! That's going too far!! Parents have a responsibility to pay for their children's needs!! Sure there should be help for families that need it, but having an attitude that your children's tuition should be completely paid by someone else reflects a feeling of entitlement and total lack of responsibility!! If we could get the government to provide vouchers for private school education, that would be wonderful, so that tax paying citizens could enjoy free education as do the rest of American families!! But to expect Gvirim to donate enough so that you have to pay nothing for your children's education makes you sound very lazy!!
To add to that, people often don't have an appreciation for something they don't have to pay into!!
(6/22/2014 1:51:07 AM)
Rebbe knew
If only our community would have only listend to the rebbe ,to buy(or take) tons of property we would have loads of $ and this would b so not a prob. Now
(6/22/2014 2:51:59 AM)
a few general points
There has to be a different expectation from those who truly can't afford and those that can.
There are ways to save money like buying used (good condition) clothing. I live out of town and buy beautiful used clothing that no-one can tell the difference. Look into used furniture, Gemach's, and other ways to save and improvise.. I'm sure many of you are doing this already!
Schools must hire more fundraisers!
There has to be solutions, we need all the Neshamos to come down before Moshiach comes!
(6/22/2014 4:12:23 AM)
no buts
The author is 100 percent correct, no buts. If you don't like the amount you are asked to pay, go to a different school. There are plenty schools that charge less. But if yoiu agree to tuition, there is NO excuse to simply not pay. And if you find that you cannot pay one month, IT SHOULD BE YOU who calls up the school and asks for a way to handle it. IT SHOULDNT BE UP TO THE SCHOOL to figure out whether and how they are going to get the money you promised to pay to give to the teacher they promised to pay. And if you just keep sending your kid without paying, pretending nothing is wrong and not returning their calls, don't be surprised if they do something about it
(6/22/2014 4:27:04 AM)
if you think
If you think your kid has a good rebbi because he has a good reputation, know that as soon as he stops getting paid, his motivation and concentration plummet. Your kid is the one losing out.
(6/22/2014 4:31:55 AM)
Like in any argument, we need to define what we're talking about. We aren't talking about trying to shame kids or about bringing down tuition, although both of those need to be addressed too.

We are just talking about whether a school is allowed to take steps to ensure that they are able to pay the teachers. No doubts about it: not only may they, but they MUST.

People commenting about how tuition is too high, or tuition would be high if they had many kids are missing the point. At the beginning of the year, you agreed on a certain amount? Pay that. It's your responsibility.
(6/22/2014 4:35:50 AM)
how absurd
Whose responsibility is it to find a payment plan - the parents or the schools? It's the parents, of course!

People commenting about darkei Sholom, menshlickeit, leadership, fundraising, awareness, chilul Hashem are the same ones probably who refuse to answer the shools phone calls and spend zero time or effort working with the school at the end of the month, and then just happily send their kids back after shabbos, thinking that the school mustn't do anything. Then they are appaled at being made to pay? How ridiculous
(6/22/2014 4:41:22 AM)
An idea!
I understand that tuition is a dauntingly huge sum but the longer parents dont make any effort to pay the bigger it becomes. Every parent should make it their responsibility to go to the school administration and work out a direct debit of a $ figure they can afford even if it is as little as $50 a month, it makes the school feel like u care and are trying rather than ignoring them and not trying to take any responsibility.
(6/22/2014 7:07:29 AM)
Ch parent
I will repeat what a few pple said already... The administration in our schools are woefully mismanaged! They refuse to open the books to show where the money is going! I personally pay tuition every year yet the hanahallah is out of date! The same ancient principals have been there for way too long! Time to refresh!! Another school did that and I c a huge difference! I'm happy to pay tuition there. At the other school I feel like my $ is going down the drain! Nobody gives a darn to improve our girls education. If these pple tried doing what they do (or rather don't do) in a business, they would've failed long ago
(6/22/2014 7:55:07 AM)
communal obligation
What if you are shluchim in a small town? Which community isobligated to teach your children? What does Online School do if shluchim don't pay.
not too long ago was raised a question of whether money should be spent on writing so many sifrei Torahs, or building multi million dollar buildings when all that money could help this situation.
There is a difference between can't, won't and don't when it comes to tuition.
(6/22/2014 8:06:06 AM)
Tuition can't be paid before a mortgage utilities and basic food. It should be paid right after shelter and food. I can't imagine a school would expect that! - you want the family in the street and tuition paid ?? How insensitive and callous! Doesn't sound like behaviour the Rebbe would endorse. My family us going through an extremely tough time financially & I can't describe the hakoras hatov we have that the schools don't harass us for past due bills. It is a #1 priority to pay tuition but not at the risk that our family should go homeless or starve. Watch what you say!!! Thank you to the crown heights mosdos who are more compassionate & understanding!!! Don't get me wrong if there's a family who takes advantage & spends their money on extras b4 tuition, they need a wake up call but from what I read here it doesn't seem to be the case. May Hashem guide those in the administrative positions to properly treat the families in need and ensure the families that B"H have parnassa to pay on time. May all the yidden be blessed with everything they need be ruchniyus & begashmiyus and may we show true ahavas yisrael to one another, which is what the Rebbe truly stood for.
(6/22/2014 8:32:15 AM)
My kids are all grown up. However, if I had to pay tuition today, I can honestly say that I would not be able to afford it. I did pay tuition for many years. We did without a lot in order to pay tuition. it was right up there with food and Mortgage/rent. What would I do? I have B"H over 11 children. I do not know the answer but can anyone say that administrators are raking it in? Does anyone know that for a fact? Tuition should be paid but every parent needs to be honest about what they can afford. I hear people say, I got away with a good deal on tuition. Tuition alone can not keep a school going. How does Belz and Bobev and Satmer do it? Their tuition has a cap and is affordable.
(6/22/2014 9:32:53 AM)
Taking it out on the kids
We have seen time and time again, that while the parents payment may be consistent, but not up to date, the only resource that the hanholo can think of is to punish the parents through the child. This is done by not helping the child to get into his next yeshivah or, in the summer, by not accepting him as a camp councillor because his parents may still have outstanding tuition from another child's tuition.
I wonder if a relationship and track record of consistent, but incomplete payments means anything to the hanholo? And I wonder, in the end, what the message is to the child? Is Lubavitch a business? The child may ask, 'does the Rebbe care about me?' 'If I am being rejected, am I bad? What are the adults doing to the child by putting him in the middle and hurting him so?
(6/22/2014 9:37:00 AM)
Missed the point
It's hard for people who are comfortable and have never had to worry about paying the most basic necessities to truly view how the other half lives, and easy to tell them to pay tuition before all the other bills, when the other bills are rent, electricity and food. The family in the OP are probably very much like mine: we don't own a car or go on vacation, our clothes are from gemachs or sales racks at Target, when the food stamps run out we stretch the contents of our cabinets to last another week, we don't go to restaurants or get takeout. Teachers work very hard and deserve to get paid but the schools need to fund raise more, precisely because there are families that truly live very simply and still will have months when they cannot make the tuition payments and as a close knit community we still owe their children an education, albeit unfortunately a mediocre one at best.
(6/22/2014 9:50:42 AM)
Community Responsibility
The Chinuch of our children is and always has been a Community Responsibility and to trumpet and take example of a select few who don't think Chinuch is a priority and will instead use the money for vacations and other obvious luxuries is completely wrong. MOST people the vast majority of people do not expect a free ride and simply are having to cope with a severe inflated cost of living a challenge experienced even by relatively small families and the notion that Tuition should be prioritized before rent and keeping a roof over your family's head and trying to use the Rebbe to reinforce and justify it is just twisted and self serving. Traditionally and forever and in almost every other Kreiz and Community the wealthy community members step in and fill in any shortfalls particularly those that involve payroll for the teachers and staff members. That fact that in our community the wealthy don't feel that the teachers of our schools payroll is priority number 1 is THE REAL ISSUE that should be addressed and written up about!!!
(6/22/2014 10:00:17 AM)
number 22
agree with you
(6/22/2014 10:00:39 AM)
Good Jobs
One of the problems is that for the schools to thrive and be able to pay their teachers, they need parents who are thriving plus some decent donations. For the parents to thrive and be able to pay bills (apart from the few who have natural talent as entrepenuers), they need the types of education that will enable them to get good jobs and/or have the foundations that will enable them to be ready for further school/training. That means first rate English oral and written skills. Foster strong math, computer and science skills and a love of math and science. That won't help in the short term, but there needs to be a long term plan.
(6/22/2014 10:12:40 AM)
to #68
You think tuition should be paid after mortgage utilities and food.
the point of this article is that we don't care enough about the teachers and what they go through.
(6/22/2014 10:50:42 AM)
This article was written without Rachmonis. A poor family who desperately wants to send their children to school is crying out in pain because of a nasty hastily written letter. Perhaps offering kind suggestions for raising tuition is in order.

The schools need to be offering fundraising programs which involve the parents. This is their responsibility. Other wise they will sink. Seems like they cannot see the forest through the trees and this mistake is affecting teachers and students and pitting tghem against eachother.
(6/22/2014 10:56:41 AM)
Bottom line:
How can you expect to get something for free? Especially your child's education?
(6/22/2014 11:23:55 AM)
go get some help!!!
you are basically saying "it is better to be an educated homeless starving person then live a happy healthy life without an education" !?
don't twist the rebbe's words for your benefit!
(6/22/2014 11:25:33 AM)
number 57
well summarized and solid conclusions.
(6/22/2014 11:29:28 AM)
the way it used ti be
Why the need to pit one struggling party (fabulous, dedicated mechanchim) against another struggling party (hard working, dedicated parents)? Is it either / or?!

This seems to be a relatively new problem. Our schools stopped serious fund-raising efforts and now rely almost entirely on parents. Why?

Its gotten so hard that in some parts of the country, some yungerlait are apprehensive to have children, because they don't see (with their gashmiyisdike eyes) how they can afford the exorbitant (in relation to their income) tuition In some parts of the country.

Ad mosay?! Chinuch must again take up the most important place in our society. Yeshivos need to aggressively fund-raise, our gvirim need to realize that chinuch is the MOST important thing to give.

Tuition cannot fully sustain the melamdim. We need to get back to the way it always was.
(6/22/2014 11:50:39 AM)
Full time fundraisers
A school that does not employ full time fundraisers is not fulfilling their responsibility.
(6/22/2014 1:36:46 PM)
Homeschool/start a School
If you cannot afford tuition or are unhappy with your child's education, there are BH many options these days - homeschooling or start your own School with some other concerned parents. All of the new schools that you see popping up every day, are being started by small groups of parenys. If you would rather have an institution educate your child, you must pay according to your agreement with the School. No excuses. You can give your child a better costumized education. If you are "choosing" to outsource then you must pay onetime.
(6/22/2014 2:07:34 PM)
completely disagree
My husband and I are both involved in chinuch full time, and I know the pain and stress of late pay from the schools. However, I completely disagree with this article. My late pay is not the fault of the poor families of the students I teach. Never for a moment did I feel resentment toward the parents for not paying proper tuition. Youre right that people have to make tuition a higher priority, but you took your point to an unacceptable extreme. Its the school administration that has to figure out how to keep pay the expenses with only part of it coming from the parents.
(6/22/2014 2:34:25 PM)
Honestly I find this whole situation to be quite sad and hard to believe,
B"H in the state of New Jersey they many successful chabad houses and shluchim there are many well off people all around the state who are supporting our shluchim and their chabad houses and functions,
so how is it that these same shluchim who are collecting money for their outreach don't have money to pay tuition? and their supporters can't be approached to donate to the cheder?,

How do we ever expect our children to succeed and go in the ways of the rebbe by setting these standards that while they have a chabad house and are doing the rebbe shlichos their teachers can't be paid and their school can close down?

We spend so much of our time and efforts in outreach that we don't take the time to look at ourselves,

Could you imagine if in America 50 plus years ago parents would have said let's not build chabad community's and schools let's go out on shlichos,
then many of the mosdos we have today would have never opened and all the shluchim that where and are still being sent out would never have had a chabad education,

We have to first focuses on ourselves and our responsibilities and then when we are strong in our emunah we can send out shluchim,

Now imagine the travesty when we chas vesholom miss the opportunity to put Tefilin on one more yid,
Now try to imagine that your whole state didn't have chabad shluchim because none of the children of today are getting a proper education so there can't be shluchim tomorrow,

Imagine not putting on Tefilin one day chas vesholom and then justifying it by saying I put Tefilin on someone else,

Now it goes without saying ever Jew is important,
but the Torah gave us all mitzvahs to keep and they don't just apply if you aren't busy helping someone else, and the Torah says give your child a Torah education and it says you must pay a worker on time,
Now it's easy for everyone to blame everyone else, but because the Torah gave you the mitzvah of educating your child and no one else it is your personal responsibility that your child's teacher be paid on time and in full,
And if you can't then everything else needs to put on pause because although maybe in logic we can find reasons to push it off and say other bills or things are more important but that's not what Torah says,
(6/22/2014 2:45:20 PM)
to # 81
They would love to hire a full time fundraiser, but they are not allowed to, unfortunately....
(6/22/2014 2:51:40 PM)
guess what!
for all those school administrates who are very proud of their geshz background, and for those administrates that are new to lubavitch, listen up:
tomchei temimim lubavitch (the original one not all these new spin-offs) COSTED ZERO!!!! that was something the rebbe rashab had insisted on!!!!!
yes they had fundraisers who would travel to America Europe and Eretz Yisroel!!
(6/22/2014 3:00:44 PM)
The PARENTS should fundraise for tuition - Not the Teachers
If parents cannot afford to clothe, feed, or educate thier children - once they are working full time they should fundraise the balance required for tuition. Of course we should should care for our poor families - but it a high percentage of parents are poor with large families - how is a school supposed to manage?
For those who say Lubavitch schools are expensive - that is so far from the truth. Most Jewish Day Schools and yeshivos in the USA charge anywhere from 15G to 40G tuition per year per child.
Pru U'revu. First mitzvah. Big mitzvah. But YOUR mitzvah. YOUR kabolas ol - not the teachers. You made the choice - now pay for it.
(6/22/2014 3:10:58 PM)
Frustrated Bochur
To all those who think that fundraising is the answer:
Name a lubavitch educational institution that actually positions its alumni to be great donors.
(6/22/2014 3:18:00 PM)
Why are they not allowed to hire a full time fundraiser?
(6/22/2014 3:34:09 PM)
I am a teacher too..
..I some parents told me that they were paying full tuition and could not understand why I was not being paid. I told them, that just two students tuition fees would have covered my whole years pay!!! The most ey was going into a "big black hole". I would go so far as to say that parents should stop paying a penny until the admin open their books. Watch how quickly the problems will disappear!!!!!
(6/22/2014 3:39:50 PM)
Its unreal how people will write in the rebbe's name things
i had a school say that they spoke to rabbanim and mashpiim and they said the rebbe is ok with kids being kicked out
its a shame how most of the people nowadays have to clue about yiddishkeit
(6/22/2014 4:15:23 PM)
I agree
Hundreds and hundreds of Jewish schools across the country face tremendous financial burdens.
There is no easy solution to this problem.
One thing is certain- not paying the teachers is NOT that solution.
I therefore agree 100% with this author.
(6/22/2014 7:07:59 PM)
Monteal 1-4
Here is the solution for a city like Montreal.

1.Most of the Chabad houses, camps, organizations, would not exist if the boys and girls school did not anchor the
community. Without schools people would not move here or not stay here.

2. The number of organization has expanded greatly and yet the pool of donors has diminished. Often the same persons are approached multiple times. In the past a lot of the money went to the central organizations - the schools.

3. A tax 1%? 2%? ..based on the money the collect .. Should be paid by all mosids to a central fund that supports the two schools.

4. $ problems solved.

(6/22/2014 8:32:43 PM)
Why are schools forbidden to hire full time fundraisers? Who forbids it? It makes no sense.

Every successful Lubavitch school will tell you that majority of the budget comes from donations and not from tuition.
(6/22/2014 8:57:22 PM)
The school is a business
When you are an employer that running a business you must pay the pay check to the employee regardless your net profit ( if no one buying your tomatoes - you are taking loans or claiming a bankruptcy but you are paying salaries ....)

If the Jewish school administrator /manger/director can't pay the salary to the teachers - its two ways -
Take loans or claim the bankruptcy -
Don't blame the parents and don't put them to be responsible of the school managing - it's your business , parents they are only consumers .......
(6/22/2014 8:57:44 PM)
Dont judge a person before you are in their shoes!
Put yourself in her shoes. Think how this mother feels. She has a large family, just like the Rebbe wanted. She puts them in a Jewish day school (which tends to be quite pricey), just like the Rebbe wanted. Believe me, i acknowledge that teachers should be getting paid, in the full amount, ON TIME. But think of the embarrassment this child would go through if she knew that she was the only girl in her class not getting a diploma, do to her parents dire financial situation. What if the parents decide they really cant afford Jewish Day school tuition, and decide to send their children to public school? Is that where we want an innocent Neshamah to end up? In a place where their Yiidishkeit will truly suffer?
(6/22/2014 9:35:33 PM)
People! Pay attention!
No one said the teachers should not be paid. No one said the parents shouldn't pay! Many said this: Administrators need to know that threats and crass communication indicates inferior leadership and inadequate values! And if that's how they deal with this situation, then I take my children OUT of there! I want Jewish values that show knowledge of human decency before I entrust my children to a school. I have my priorities straight, and if the leadership doesn't know how to deal with people with wisdom and kindness, then he/she should be the ones to go, not the child whose parent has not paid.
(6/22/2014 10:28:56 PM)
Community Tax - Free Yeshivas
When we have achdus IY"H and unite behind communal leadership, we can have free yeshivas paid for by a communal tax system like the old days but adapted to present circumstances.
(6/22/2014 10:41:17 PM)
From a former board member
Parents who can pay more and don't should realize they are merachek people from Lubavitch. I witnessed three full paying, decent size families transfer their kids to non-Lubavitch schools because the school's finances were going down the toilet, tuitions were not getting paid and teachers were therefore paid late. These three families leaving cost the school
almost $200,000.

Someone that doesn't pay his workers on time is oiver 6 aveiros d'orasyaa. I struggle keeping my children in a moised that does this openly and conflicted on whether to keep sending my children to Lubavitch next year.

(6/23/2014 7:28:59 AM)
i cant. I wont. I dont.
These are the three types of parents who are behind in tuition. Some are like this for years.
(6/23/2014 8:59:02 AM)
placing the blame in the wrong place
#22 finally brought it up - let's face it, the bigger problem isn't that this poor family is having a financial crisis and can't pay tuition, much less put food on the table. the system is corrupt with politics and favoritism....how many families pay deeply discounted tuition because they earn 'off the books' and walk into registration claiming poverty?! and why is it that the administration gets paid before the teachers, and seem to live quite well? the reason teachers aren't getting paid isn't due to families that are truly in dire straits and can't afford tuition - I know of too many who get away with paying little tuition either because they "know" someone, are connected, or are simply not honest about their real income...it's the person you stand next to in the grocery store who is dressed in designer clothes and real jewelry, but whips out a food stamp card to pay for the groceries that are then loaded up in the brand new leased SUV. Do you really think that they don't whip out that same food stamp card as "proof of income" when it comes to registration and tuition? And it isn't about who has and doesn't have that's at stake here, but rather that there are those who have and can pay tuition but get away with not paying their honest fair share, and the burden is shifted to families that can't or won't "cheat the system" and then are burdened with tuition beyond their means to make up for those who can and don't pay. #100, those who can't need the help that is going to those who won't and don't by claiming that they can't....
(6/23/2014 11:53:45 AM)
To 84
You sound really mixed up and confused your comment seems to be making a point for and against the article.
(6/23/2014 9:44:49 PM)
To #101 your assertions and observations are highly exaggerated and if there are people living and behaving in the manner in which you describe then please know that percentage wise that number is so small that it cannot be added or included in any statistic. The reality is that most people even the ones that on the surface seem to be earning nicely and have a profession that normally pays well that means very little when you consider the average size frum family, Shabbos expense every week, Yom Tov expenses, clothes uniforms and shoes for growing children and too often you need to purchase new clothes and several pairs of shoes a year for a single child [hand me downs can't always be there or be sourced at the precise time when they are needed] tuition, outrageous camp fees and all the side expenses that come along with sending the kids off to camp, a new shaitel [although not an every year expense it still comes along every few years at least and you cannot expect a young woman to wear a stiff synthetic $300 shaitel] which is not something a woman can do without like a man can sometimes just wear the same hat for even 6 or 7 years and can always replace it for a couple hundred dollars. In short please don't generalize because it trivializes the circumstances of all the innocent, responsible, hard working parents, who are bursting from the impossible financial burdens they have to cope with in today's day & age with unbelievably limited resources.
(6/23/2014 10:12:38 PM)
(6/24/2014 5:04:59 AM)
to #103
How have I trivialized " the circumstances of all the innocent, responsible, hard working parents, who are bursting from the impossible financial burdens they have to cope with in today's day & age with unbelievably limited resources"?? I AM one of those parents living under those circumstances struggling to make it from one paycheck to the next! What is your point? IF someone legitimately qualifies for benefits, no problem. You stated, "The reality is that most people even the ones that on the surface seem to be earning nicely and have a profession that normally pays well that means very little when you consider..." You are absolutely right, except - when I walk into the tuition office and my income is on the books, I am judged and charged differently and they have little sympathy for my plight on how hard it is to get by....but, all things being exactly the same, the next guy who walks in, lives on the same income level, but it is "off the books" and they can whip out their benefit card, they will pay drastically less than I do for tuition. And every year the tuition increases are 25% or more because I "seem to be earning nicely" ....IF I get a cost of living increase maybe it's 3%...???? It is an unfair burden, all else being equal - because not only am i trying to live on "limited resources" without benefits i am also paying higher tuition to balance out the deficit.
(6/25/2014 5:38:14 PM)
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