Apr 9, 2014
Where the Chumros Come From
Pictured: Rabbi Sholtiel Lebovic of GoKosher.org at work

With Pesach being defined by what we don't eat, one dayan maps out and even dispels some known chumros. A must read.

By Rabbi Sholom Shuchat
Dayan in the Beth Din of the Union of Orthodox Rabbis of the USA & Canada


A story is told of a pious Jew who was very stringent on Pesach, keeping every possible Chumrah he heard about.

One year, on Chol Hamoed, a Chassidic Rebbe came to town and visited this Jew; the Jew bragged about his various Chumros, stating that even his water is collected before Pesach and stored in special barrels. The Rabbi told him "Go check your water barrel, in there you will find a piece of bread..."

The Jew did as he was told and lo and behold, the pious Jew came back after a few minutes crestfallen and crying, he has found a piece of bread in his barrel of Pesach water. The distraught Jew cried to the Rebbe asking him why did he deserve such agony, he has done everything he could to prevent Chometz, and has taken every possible precaution.

The Rabbi responded, "This is why it happened... The Arizal writes that whomever is careful not to consume even a speck of Chametz is guaranteed not to sin during the upcoming year; this is an impossible feat to achieve without the help of G-d, so we do as much as we can within reason, and we leave the rest to G-d. You, on the other hand, took every possible precaution even beyond reason, thus leaving nothing for G-d to help, and therefore you had no Siyata Dishamaya and transgressed the prohibition of Chametz."

The holiday of freedom has become a holiday of abstinence, a holiday in which we are defined by what we don't eat. Chabad has taken the cake with an enormous amount of Hiddurim or Chumros, with some people even choosing to eat potatoes, onions, carrots and beets for a whole week, in tribute to the vegetables which grow in Siberia.

However, for a person living in the USA, the land of unlimited opportunities, the prospect of keeping old traditions might not be appealing, leading some to say that indeed "America is different" (at least on Pesach).

Therefore, it is of utmost importance to know the various Chumros and their reasoning, so a person choosing to change a family Chumrah, or to adopt a new Chumrah, can make an educated decision based on knowledge and not on speculation.

CHUMROS ON PESACH


There are hundreds of Chumros regarding Pesach, some cut across a broad spectrum of the Jewish nation, such as the prohibition of "Kitniyos" which applies to the whole Ashkenazic Jewry; some are Chumros which were accepted by the Chassidic world, such as Gebroks, which was instituted because of the changing circumstances; some are Chumros which were apply to a certain Chassidic group, such as peeling vegetables; and some are plain family customs, which are relevant only to one's family.

It is therefore of utmost importance to know the source and reasoning for the Chumros, as some of them aren't applicable, and some of them aren't Chumros but have become Halacha due to changing circumstances.

When discussing the various Chumros, some might want to change an existing custom, this poses a unique Halachic challenge, as the person might need "Hatoras Nedorim" to change the custom; however, this only applies to certain Chumros.

The "Meiri" writes (not in regards to Pesach), that there are different categories of customs: a custom followed by a community or instituted by the local Rabbi - has the same strength as Halacha, and cannot be changed without "Hatoras Nedorim," even if the reasoning is flawed or not applicable. However, a personal custom, if it has some connection to Halacha then "Hatoras Nedorim" is required, but if it has no source at all, then there is no need for "Hatoras Nedorim" and it can be changed at will.

PROCESSED FOODS


The Rebbe writes, that the accepted custom is to eat only at home (Igros Kodesh Vol. 24 page 67), citing the reason that it is impossible for one to be stringent when away from home.

The Chabad custom is to refrain from eating any processed foods, to the extent that some bake their own Matzah and make their own wine.

The reasoning behind it is twofold: (a) because in the past, food was processed with much human intervention, and there was no way to ensure that the workers didn't bring in any Chametz; (b) the same equipment was used for many products, and there was no proper cleaning and/or Kashering. In today's day and age, human intervention in the production of food is either non existent or very limited, and machinery is rarely used for various products (specifically because of the raised awareness to cross-contamination and allergies), but the Kashering problem still exists.

Therefore, the Chumra against eating processed food has evolved into different Chumros, with each family choosing how strict to be. This is especially applicable today, when it is practically impossible for a person to refrain from any processed foods, with salt being a prime example. Some will only eat foods processed in facilities which are Kosher L'Pesach year-round, such as wineries, Matzah bakeries and certain kitchen products; some will eat also products which were made on Kashered equipment, as long as the product isn't processed hot; and some will only eat products in which there is no human intervention at all.

For those who eat processed foods, it is of utmost importance to double-check the Hechsher on the Pesach product, for sometimes the reliable Hechsher is only for year-round, and for Pesach they use a Hechsher which is not up to par with one's standards.

Let's analyze some of the common Pesach Chumros and their reasoning:

GEBROKTS



The main Chumrah which is adhered by Lubavitchers is the care not to eat gebrokts. The Alter Rebbe instituted this because of a change in the production of Matzah.

In his responsa (Siman 6), the Alter Rebbe explains that people stopped taking the time to knead the dough properly to ensure that all the flour is mixed, and instead opted to speed the process of kneading and baking the Matzah, which causes that some of the flour stays on the Matzah, and if that flour touches water - it can become Chametz. Therefore, the Alter Rebbe writes that it's prohibited to consume Matzah which touched water during Pesach.

However, the Alter Rebbe clearly stipulates that this prohibition does not apply at all to fruit juices, for according to Halacha, pure fruit juices (without a drop of water) can not make flour into Chametz (the same applies to eggs, oil and milk).

The Rebbe Rashab would eat Matzah with "Shmura Milk" and wine. The milk was milked in a way which ensured that no water touched the milk and no water was in the milking pails; regarding the wine, care was taken that no water touched the wine after it's fermentation (any water which was added before fermentation is not a problem for gebrokts).

Therefore, Matzah may be eaten with vegetables, fruits, wine, milk or any kind of juice which was made without a drop of water.

However, on Acharon Shel Pesach, the Chabad Minhag is to eat gebrokts; one of the reasons given by the Rebbe for this custom is that during Pesach we celebrate the exodus from Egypt, when the Jews were fleeing from the negative and had to be careful with Chametz, but on Acharon Shel Pesach, the light of Moshiach shines, and during the final redemption all Jews will be Tzadikim and will not have to fight the negative, therefore we eat Gebroks (Likutei Sichos Vol. 22 page 30ff).

MILK & DAIRY PRODUCTS


Many have the custom to refrain from consuming any milk product during Pesach, the source for this custom is because the cows are fed Chometz all year-round, and it was hard to ensure that the place where the cows were kept was completely clean for Pesach.

However, in today's day and age, the milk factories with a reliable Hechsher ensure that the place is clean and no Chometz is to be found. Additionally, many have the custom not to drink milk (or eat meat) from a cow that ate Chometz 24 hours before the milking, and that was hard to enforce.

When it comes to cheese, some will only consume milk but will not eat any cheeses; some will eat only soft cheeses such as cottage cheese and sour cream, with the reason being that those products are packaged within 24 hours of production and therefore don't absorb from the Kashered equipment, but will refrain from hard cheeses, because those will be in the equipment for more than 24 hours before packaging.

FISH


Regarding fish, some communities have the custom not to eat fresh fish on Pesach, the reason is because the bait which was used to catch the fish was usually Chometz and when the fish was bought the Chometz was still in it and sometimes hard to find; additionally, there is no way of knowing if the fish ate Chometz within the past 24 hours. However, the Chabad Rebbeim would eat fish on Pesach.

In the past, those who ate fish would buy any fresh or frozen fish, without ensuring that it was Kosher L'Pesach, however in today's day and age care must be taken before purchasing frozen fish, the reason being because of a change in processing frozen fish: Since fish which is frozen and defrosted will naturally lose some of it's water content, the fish distributors inject a mixture of polyphosphates (which can be derived from Chometz) to the fish to help it retain it's water, and it is common for certain starches (which can be Kitniyos) to be added with the polyphosphates to ensure it's absorption.

Therefore, it is of utmost importance to buy fish only from a retailer which is certified with a good Hechsher.

SALT, SPICES AND SUGAR


Regarding salt, the common custom is to use coarse Kosher salt during Pesach, and refrain from using the thinner table salt. The custom originated before there were dedicated Kosher L'Pesach salt factories, and therefore the salt had to be checked before use to ensure that no flour was inadvertently mixed into it, and the checking is easier with larger-grain salt.

Today, the custom still exists, for table salt can be iodized, which is done by adding a mixture of potassium iodide and dextrose (to add in the binding of the iodide to the salt), which is usually derived from Kitniyos. The same production lines for iodized salt are also used for non-iodized table salt; however, the coarse Kosher salt is usually not iodized and therefore this problem is avoided.

Regarding sugar, the Rebbeim refrained from eating sugar, but the Rebbe said that it is not a custom for the masses, and if someone can ensure that his sugar is Kosher L'Pesach then it can be used (HaMelech B'Msibo Vol. 1 page 307).

The common custom is to boil and strain the sugar before Pesach, the reason being because in the past grain (and flour) sacks were reused for sugar, and to ensure that no flour was left the sugar was boiled and strained from any impurities. However, today there is Kosher L'Pesach sugar which is pure and doesn't need to be checked.

Regarding spices, the common custom was to refrain from using certain spices such as black pepper, because the same mills were used for flour and for spices, and also grain sacks were reused for spices, and there is no way of checking if any flour was mixed into it. Garlic isn't used for a different reason (to be discussed below).

SCHMALTZ VS. OIL


In the past, oil was produced in factories, and there was no way to ensure that there was no workers bringing in Chametz, therefore people only used Schmaltz, as they had their own chicken and they cleaned it themselves. Today, Schmaltz is also mass produced, and oil can certainly be used if it has a good Hechsher, for the factory is Kosher L'Pesach year-round and there is minimal human touch.

However, when it comes to olive oil a person must be extra careful. The New York Times has recently reported (and it was widely known beforehand), that 69% of extra virgin olive oil imported into the USA is either adulterated or fake, the high price of olive oil and the ease of adulterating it has spurred a whole industry of olive oil which is mixed with soybean oil and chlorophyll (to give it the green color) or plain soybean oil which is mixed with chlorophyll and flavoring and then sold as olive oil.

This problem is not so common in cheaper olive oils such as pomace, or in cheaper oils such as palm or cottonseed. It is therefore of utmost importance to only buy olive oil with a good Heimishe Hechsher for Pesach.

FRUITS & VEGETABLES


A common custom is to only eat fruits and vegetables which can be peeled, the reason was because the vegetables grew in the farmer's little patch together with Kitniyos and Chametz, and therefore it was a Chumra not to eat the peel which might have touched Chametz.

However, today this Chumra is actually a Halachic obligation, because of the changing circumstances. A fruit or vegetable which is cut from the ground will usually start shrinking and rotting within a few days, additionally it is not usually shiny and nice, therefore companies customarily spray a mixture of fungicides and wax to the vegetables to retain prevent their water loss (which leads to shrinkage) and to give it an appealing shine. The mixture contains alcohol as an emulsifier to ensure the wax doesn't separate from the fungicides, and that alcohol is usually Chametz or Kitniyos, and oleic acid which can be obtained from animal fat or more commonly, from Kitniyos; since the mixture is poured hot unto the fruits and vegetables, the Halacha is that it needs to be peeled.

Organic produce is no different, for they also use natural wax (which can be either animal-based or grain-based) and the alcohol. Washing the vegetable might remove the wax that is visible, but will not remove whatever was absorbed into the peel.

Among the common fruits and vegetables which have this problem: Apples, Pears, Eggplant, Cucumbers, Citrus Fruits, Peppers, Tomatoes, Potatoes, Zucchini and others. However, onions and root vegetables (such as carrots and beets) are usually not waxed.

Regarding lettuce, the custom is to only use it for the Seder, because it cannot be peeled.

Regarding garlic, the custom is not to eat it. The Pri Megadim writes that there is no reason behind it, and therefore rules that a Talmid Chacham can eat garlic in his own home; However, other reasons were given for this custom, either because it grew next to grain, or because it is a sharp vegetable and the one cutting it from the ground might have used a Chometz knife and rendered the garlic as Chometz.

Regarding radishes, the Rebbe Rashab said that the Tzemach Tzedek prohibited it without a reason. Some have speculated that since the radish is a sharp vegetable, the same logic as the garlic applies to it.

KITNIYOS


The custom of Ashkenazic Jewry is to refrain from eating any "Kitniyos" on Pesach, Sephardic communities have adopted the custom either partially or fully.

Various definitions are given in halachic literature to establish what is considered Kitniyos, the Alter Rebbe (Orach Chaim 453 Seifim 3-4) writes that the prohibition of Kitniyos only applies to those beans (or grains) which are cooked in water and then the dish looks like cooked Chametz grains; the reason being that people who aren't knowledgeable would see such a dish and will make a mistake thinking that cooked Chametz grains can be consumed on Pesach.

The Alter Rebbe further writes, that the prohibition of Kitniyos only applies if the grain touched water, just like Chametz is only if the grain touched water; and adds that any grain or seed which bears no similarity whatsoever to the five Chametz grains - is permitted, and that includes all vegetables.

Among the grains prohibited are: Rice, Kasha, all beans, rice, millet, lentils, chickpeas, sesame seeds, all peas, corn, soybeans and poppy seeds.

Regarding grains that weren't available during the time of the prohibition, there is a dispute among Halachic authorities whether they are considered Kitniyos or not, among them you find peanuts and quinoa.

Regarding quinoa, many modern day Poskim hold that it's permitted, however according to the guidelines of the Alter Rebbe (that if it's cooked in water like other grains, it's Kitniyos) it would seem to be considered Kitniyos, and therefore each person should ask his Rov.

Regarding peanuts, it is interesting to note, that Rabbi Yaakov Landau OBM (who served as the Rov of the Rebbe Rashab, and later the Chief Rabbi of Bnei Brak) ruled that peanuts are not considered Kitniyos, and so ruled Rabbi Moshe Feinstein.

According to the Alter Rebbe's guidelines, it would seem that any Kitniyos which were guaranteed not to touch water since harvesting, and would be baked rather than cooked without any water would be permitted, this would allow the consuming of air-popped popcorn (as long as the corn was dried for Pesach, and without any water touching it). With regards to grains that are never cooked rather they are always roasted, it would seem that they aren't considered Kitniyos, and that would include peanuts and sunflower seeds.

Regarding the use of Kitniyos derivatives, there are those who hold that anything which doesn't look like the original grain - is permitted, and would allow the use of Kitniyos-sourced oils, however the Alter Rebbe seems to imply that oils derived from Kitniyos can not be eaten.

Aspartame (Nutrasweet) is made from two amino acids (aspartic acid and phenylalanine) and methanol. These amino acids are usually derived from corn, but they undergo a process which changes it completely, creating a new chemical, and many Hechsherim allow it's use (hence, the Kosher L'Pesach Diet Coke); the same applies to Citric Acid (which is sourced from corn) and MSG (sourced from soybeans); however, since the Alter Rebbe doesn't mention this differentiation with regards to Kitniyos, each person should ask his Rov before consuming it.

TOBACCO PRODUCTS


The Alter Rebbe writes (OC 467:24) that tobacco which was cured in Chometz alcohol cannot be consumed on Pesach, and should be locked in the room with the rest of the Chometz. The reason for this is, because smoking a product is an enjoyment similar to eating, and therefore it is prohibited.

Although the glue used in cigarettes is not a problem because it is not fit for the consumption of a dog, cigarette manufacturers add many additives which are edible, among them are Chometz products such as "Wheat Extract And Flour" and alcohols which can be sourced from Chometz.

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Opinions and Comments
1
Fascinating !
Most informative ! Thanks so much !
(4/10/2014 12:43:31 AM)
2
evedd
Lechora according to the reasoning about garlic and reddish which the author writes is because it is sharp, the same logic should apply to onions which the loam eats. .. so...seems they are either all mutar or all assur?
(4/10/2014 12:43:59 AM)
3
wow
what an article...
Thank you
this is so enlightening
(4/10/2014 12:51:10 AM)
4
thank you
I've always had the question of why we can eat certain things and not others but no one had the real answer so thank you for the explanations
(4/10/2014 1:27:52 AM)
5
we don't radish because of the Tzemach Tzedek
The minhag Chabad is not to eat radish on Pesach.
R' Akiva Eiger said not to eat it.
The Tzemach Tzedek said that since R' Akiva Eiger did not give a reason for the issur, we have to follow it. If he would have given a reason, we can argue his reasoning. But since he didn't, we have to follow his psak.
(4/10/2014 1:37:37 AM)
6
Meh.
Pesach is the one time a year when we observe chumros that are even "not normal". (Garlic being the perfect example).
The logic of this article is sound for the rest of the year, not on Pesach.
(4/10/2014 3:11:04 AM)
7
I've always wondered
There are some people who do not eat vegetables with seeds in it because they resemble kitniyas ex cucumbers eggplants etc.
Is there a source for this custom?
(4/10/2014 3:11:15 AM)
8
bread in water barrel
It was with the tzemach tzedek who told him to look in the barrel
(4/10/2014 5:47:58 AM)
9
Very interesting
Thanks for posting! Is not the prevailing custom now not to put anything on matzo and not as above?
(4/10/2014 6:21:19 AM)
10
To number 9
Many prevailing customs don't make sense.... That doesn't change anything for the families that have those customs but for others there is no issue of putting fruits or vegetables on matza as long as they are sure there is no water mixed in it.
(4/10/2014 7:13:20 AM)
11
thank you
for clarifying
(4/10/2014 7:14:29 AM)
12
Insightful
This was a fascinating and I gained much insight . Thank you and a Kosher and Freilicher Pesach.
(4/10/2014 8:10:46 AM)
13
Michigs
The rebbe had Milchigs on Pesach
(4/10/2014 8:52:04 AM)
14
Ask a Rav
I asked my Rav (well known and respected Lubavitch Rav) and he said not to put anything on matza, only plain avacado with no lemon in it. If fruit is ok, then lemon should be ok?
(4/10/2014 9:01:14 AM)
15
Regarding fish
This was on the OU website: Due to the frequent application of glazes to raw fish, it should be purchased only with reliable kosher certification. However, Kirkland Frozen Wild Salmon is acceptable after washing it off, while the Kirkland Atlantic (Farm Raised) Salmon is acceptable as is for Passover.
(4/10/2014 9:34:57 AM)
16
Cottonseed oil
Cottonseed oil has a lot of chemical sprays which are not monitored and is used in China for sterilization and should be banned from foods.
(4/10/2014 10:00:23 AM)
17
Southerner asks:
What if you eat boiled peanuts?
(4/10/2014 10:43:08 AM)
18
To #17
Yes, if peanuts are boiled - they are not to be eaten on Pesach.
(4/10/2014 11:44:05 AM)
19
An Fellow Rabbi Responds:
To #2 Re: Onions
Somone said, that if not for Mussia serving onions in 1414, we wouldn't eat onions on Pesach...

To #5 Re: Radish
You are mixing up Mashke with Radishes. Radishes were prohibited by the Tzemach Tzedek, Mashke was prohibited by R' Akiva Eiger (and the Tzemach Tzedek said that he could've argued with his logic if there would be a reason, etc)

To #6 Re: Not Normal Chumros
Maybe this article applies to the 60% of Chabad who are BT and their family traditions don't include these Chumros? And they feel pressured to follow crazy Chumros because of their Mashpi'im or neighbors?

To #7 Re: Cucumbers
Watch the video. Rabbi Shuchat explains in the video why that Chumrah has no source, and there is no valid reason to follow it.

To #13 Re: Milchigs
The Rebbe's house had Milchigs, but the Rebbe himself didn't eat them.

To #16 Re: Cottonseed oil
Rabbi Yitzchok Weiss (the Minchas Yitzchok) ruled that cottonseed is Kitniyos, so there is an additional reason not to use it.

To #17 Re: Boiled Peanuts
Then peanuts are Kitniyos...
(4/10/2014 12:12:57 PM)
20
Garlic and Juice
Oftentimes juice is not really 100% juice. If your bottle says "from concentrate" it's the same as if you bought a frozen juice and mixed in a few cups of water....

Also, a thought on garlic I heard from an older person who grew up in Russia is that garlic was sometimes stored/dried with sacks that had also been used for flour. So someone who wanted dried garlic cloves to use would run into a potential problem then, The garlic we buy in the store is not the same as if gotten fresh.
(4/10/2014 12:13:07 PM)
21
Shruya
Very nice article.
çëîéí äæäøå áãáøéëí, pure avocado, etc, is not considered shruya, but you neglected the chumra mentioned by the Rebbe many time of assuring that dishes and utensils do not come into contact with matza. That is why some remove the matza from the table while food is being served.
It is therefore important to make sure that you do not use a knife or fork, etc, to spread the avocado.
(4/10/2014 12:46:25 PM)
22
To # 14
Minhog chabad is to eat avocado, with lemon juice, onion and (peeled) tomato. We follow the opinion of the alter rebbe who says fruit juice cannot make chomitz. Any rov who says otherwise can take it up with the alter rebbe
(4/10/2014 12:50:41 PM)
23
peeling vegetables
if the vegetables have wax oleic acid and /or alcohol that was chametz shouldn't they have to be peeled before yom tov?
(4/10/2014 12:51:08 PM)
24
Thank You!!!
You answered many questions!!!
(4/10/2014 1:01:08 PM)
25
Fish
I heard that the minhag not to eat fish altogether like by Belz etc comes from a chametz problem in the brine that was used to preserve the fish distributed there. In places that had access to fresh fish there was no issue.
(4/10/2014 1:53:01 PM)
26
why don't we use garlic?
I heard that they used to pour mashke on it to make it grow strong. So that's why we keep this minhag.
(4/10/2014 2:14:51 PM)
27
Cheese Maker
... but will refrain from hard cheeses, because those will be in the equipment for more than 24 hours before packaging.
Today cheese is usually packed about 6 hours after the first drop of milk is poured into the vat, I have never seen hard cheese in any container for 24 hours.
(4/10/2014 3:22:11 PM)
28
alcohol
if there is alcohol on the veggies doesn't get absorbed in the fruit?
(4/10/2014 4:19:45 PM)
29
Garlic
In the "hiskashrus" magazine he quotes each year in the name of R' Yaakov Landau that Lubavitch never accepted NOT to eat garlic.
(4/10/2014 4:29:54 PM)
30
Sephardim?
You say: "The custom of Ashkenazic Jewry is to refrain from eating any "Kitniyos" on Pesach, Sephardic communities have adopted the custom either partially or fully."

On what is this statement based? I'm having trouble finding any Sephardic Orthodox rabbi who says that Sephardim abstain from kitniyos or have adopted that chumra at all.

(4/10/2014 5:04:38 PM)
31
to # 22
yes the alter rebbe says fruit juice doesnt make it chometz but can you 100% guarantee that the lemon juice did not come in contact with water?
(4/10/2014 7:02:22 PM)
32
yasher koach
Thank You Rabbi!
(4/10/2014 7:33:08 PM)
33
To #24
Peeled tomatoes are usually boiled and shruya lchol hadaios.
(4/10/2014 8:24:32 PM)
34
Mushroom
Can anyone tell what the problem with mushroom is?
(4/10/2014 8:42:38 PM)
35
to #14 and #22
The rav probably said no bc its very hard to make sure theres absolutely no water in it. if there would be any water at all the chshash is a lot more "dangerous" bc mei peiros are 'memaheres lichmoitz' if theyre with water (more than water itself). Bc its very hard to keep any water away the rav just said not to do it.
(4/10/2014 10:25:01 PM)
36
Regarding gebrokts...
So according to the Alter Rebbe can we have matzah with eggs and possibly cook eggs with matzah?
(4/10/2014 11:27:51 PM)
37
To number 31
If you squeeze lemon juice straight from a lemon onto the avocado that's how you know there's no water
(4/11/2014 2:25:46 AM)
38
to #30
Some Moroccan Jews refrain from eating kitniyos, it depends what city they were from and also their family custom.
(4/11/2014 4:19:54 AM)
39
to #33
I peel raw tomatoes every Pesach. Roma tomatoes are best for this purpose, and peel them with a tiny serrated knife.
(4/11/2014 4:21:29 AM)
40
avocado
I did not know we are allowed to put avocado on the matzo, that is fantastic! :)
(4/11/2014 4:22:28 AM)
41
THANK YOU
Wow. I will definitely keep this information in kind!
So well written and clear. Thank you!
(4/11/2014 11:45:32 AM)
42
Pure Juice?
Despite what it says on the bottle, it is almost impossible today to buy pure juice that doesn't have even a miniscule amount of water. If the factory used water to wash their machinery before processing their beverages, which they undoubtedly do, then that is sufficient to render those beverages "Gebroks-enabled". Of the 5% that companies can get away with not reporting on their ingredients - does anybody think there is not one drop of water in any of them?

It is troubling that many commenters seem to misunderstand the trivial amount of water needed to render a food capable of creating Gebroks.
(4/11/2014 12:15:52 PM)
43
mushrooms
much of the mushrooms today are grown in/on a medium that contains wheat stalks(straw0 that might contain wheat kernels that can grom into the mushrooms thamself
(4/11/2014 12:51:55 PM)
44
What about Chocolate??
I heard the Rebbe used to eat shmerling chocolate - specifically the bar with the horse on the packaging. Can anyone confirm this?
(4/11/2014 1:23:09 PM)
45
quinoa isn't a grain
Quinoa is a grass
(4/11/2014 2:20:08 PM)
46
TO # 19
The Minchas yitzchock says regarding COTTONSEED OIL tzarich iyun lemaaseh I call that INCONCLUSIVE.not a ruling.
(4/11/2014 5:00:25 PM)
47
the story happened with the Baal Shemtov and one of his Chassidim
My father R' Gershon Chanowitz HaCa"M, would tell this story every Pesach. So thank you for reminding me about it

My father was by the Freerdiker Rebbes sedarim the years that he was in Otvotsk.

His uncle was Moishe Leib Rodshtain, who was a secretary to the Freerdikeh Rebbe (and later to our Rebbe) and he was one of the Minyan of men that were invited to the seder.

My father stayed at his uncle, and therefore was able to attend the sedarim by the Rebbe.

Our sedarim were rich with many sichois and stories that he heard by the Rebbe.

So it is actually possible that he heard this from the Rebbe

The story happened with the Baal Shemtov and one of his Chassidim.

The story written here is pretty accurate from the way I heard it.
I would like to add a few points

The story happened on Achron shel Pessach during the Beshts farbrengen.

When the chossid heard this he fainted from shock

When he came to, he ask the Rebbe 3 things
Why did this happen? If you knew about it, why didnt you tell me about it earlier? Can you give me a tikkun

the Besht answered

The reason that I didnt tell you earlier is that I did not see you, so I did not think about you

The second question was answered similar to what is written here. As for a tikkun, the Besht said that for this you need to come in after Yomtov for yechidus, and I will give you a Tikkun

Moishe Leib, ben R' Gershon Chanowitz, Montreal
(4/12/2014 11:05:04 PM)
48
quinoa isn't a grain
Quinoa is a grass
My father R' Gershon Chanowitz HaCa"M, would tell this story every Pesach. So thank you for reminding me about it

My father was by the Freerdiker Rebbes sedarim the years that he was in Otvotsk.

His uncle was Moishe Leib Rodshtain, who was a secretary to the Freerdikeh Rebbe (and later to our Rebbe) and he was one of the Minyan of men that were invited to the seder.

My father stayed at his uncle, and therefore was able to attend the sedarim by the Rebbe.

Our sedarim were rich with many sichois and stories that he heard by the Rebbe.

So it is actually possible that he heard this from the Rebbe

The story happened with the Baal Shemtov and one of his Chassidim.

The story written here is pretty accurate from the way I heard it.
I would like to add a few points

The story happened on Achron shel Pessach during the Beshts farbrengen.

When the chossid heard this he fainted from shock

When he came to, he ask the Rebbe 3 things
Why did this happen? If you knew about it, why didnt you tell me about it earlier? Can you give me a tikkun

the Besht answered

The reason that I didnt tell you earlier is that I did not see you, so I did not think about you

The second question was answered similar to what is written here. As for a tikkun, the Besht said that for this you need to come in after Yomtov for yechidus, and I will give you a Tikkun

Moishe Leib, ben R' Gershon Chanowitz, Montreal
(4/13/2014 12:37:49 AM)
49
Smoking kills
Tobacco should be chometz all year.
(4/13/2014 2:34:52 AM)
50
cooking before YomTov
can one use unpeeled vegetables when cooking before pesach?
(4/13/2014 2:45:45 AM)
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to 48
is the tikun stated somewhere that the BESH"t told him to do? thanx
(4/13/2014 11:27:27 PM)
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To #44
ABSOLUTELY false. The Rebbe did NOT eat that chocolate on Pesach, as well as processed foods. Also, to the one who says the Rebbe didn't eat Milchigs on Pesach - FALSE! The Rebbe drank milk and ate cottage cheese, and more.
(4/14/2014 12:24:53 AM)
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Halachic updates to above from Rabbi Goldsteins Pesach book
From what time are those that are accustomed to not eat processed foods to begin their stringency? ıFrom the night of Pesach or from 5th hour of Erev Pesach?ı
One who is stringent to avoid eating processed foods is to avoid eating them starting from the 5th hour of ıthe day.ı ı [Response of Rabbi Yehuda Leib Groner [secretary of the Rebbe] to a query of the author; Custom of many of Anash from vintage Chabad ıhomes as heard by the author
The reason: The reason for not eating processed foods is due to a suspicion of Taaruvos Chameitz. Now before the night arrives, although ıChameitz can be nullified, this only applies if it is a mixture of Yaveish Beyaveish or Lach Belach. However by a mixture of Yaveish Belach it is ınot nullified even before Pesach. [442 Kuntrus Achron 15; 466/9-11; Shut Rabbeinu 18; See Piskeiy Admur Yoreh Deah chapter 100; “A ıSemicha Aid for learning the Laws of Taaruvos” Chapter 104/4] Thus if there is a crumb of Chameitz that fell into the processed food and is still ıintact it is not nullified and one transgresses eating Chameitz on Pesach.
However many are lenient to eat processed foods up until the night of Pesach.ı [Custom of many families of Anash.ı
The reason: Seemingly the reason behind the leniency on Erev Pesach until the night, despite that which is explained above, is because on the ınight of Pesach begin the severe stringencies of Issur Mashehu, and Issur Kareis for eating Chameitz. Thus although from a Halachic perspective ıthere can be suspicion of Chameitz in processed foods even before the night of Pesach in a way that it is not nullified, nevertheless one only ıbegins to suspect for this starting from the night. Vetzaruch Iyun. Alternatively, perhaps it is because we suspect for the opinion in 447/22 that ıholds that starting from the night of Pesach we say Chozer Veniur by all foods that contain Chameitz of any amount, even taste, even if it was ınullified before Pesach. ]

(4/14/2014 4:41:17 AM)
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Shcmaltz-R. Goldsteins Pesach book
Oil: The Rebbe writesı [Igeres Hakodesh Vol. 21 p. 96.]ıı that “Anash use Natala margarine on Pesach”. This refers to a congealed vegetable fat ıthat was processed by a company under a local Mehadrin Hashgacha. Thus one may purchase any Kosher for ıPesach oil that contains a most reliable Hashgacha.ı ı Nevertheless there are those which are stringent to only ıuse melted chicken fat [Shmaltz] as their oil base product for Pesach food and cooking.ı
(4/14/2014 4:43:24 AM)
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Sugar
ı5. Sugar:ı
The custom of the Rebbe Rashab: The Rebbe Rashab avoided using sugar on Pesach. Some say it was due to suspicion that a chameitz ıingredient was used in the boiling process, or alternatively the workers would dip their breads into it, and thus ıthere is a suspicion that a crumb of chameitz remained in the sugar. There is a story with the brother-in-law of ıthe Rebbe Rashab which owned a sugar production plant and had made a specially supervised batch of sugar ıto be used by the Rebbe Rashab on Pesach despite that even throughout the year there was no suspicion of ıchameitz in the sugar. When the Rebbe Rashab was brought the sugar cubical his face became stern with ıconcern, and he followed to break open one of the cubicles, and there fell out unexplainably a wheat kernal.ı
The Rebbe’s directive: Regarding if this stringency applies for all chassidim the Rebbe writes that if one ıknows for certain that there is no suspicion of chameitz in the sugar then he does not see a reason for one to ıbe stringent. ı
The custom of some to boil the sugar ı: There are many which boil the sugar before Pesach and thus make ısugar water in order that if there were to be a speck of chameitz in the sugar then it would dissolve through the ıcooking and become nullified in 60x before Pesach and would thus be allowed to be eaten.ı ı Some have the ıcustom to filter the sugar water afterwards.ı
(4/14/2014 4:45:58 AM)
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to # 30 sefardim
If u speak to sefardim such as I have in my own community u discover that very many sefardic communities do Not eat certain kitnios. In some regions only rice is permitted and none other.
(4/22/2015 3:34:40 PM)
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