Feb 1, 2011
Crown Heights Badatz Unites

As of Friday, Rabbi Yaacov Schwei moved back into the offices of the Crown Heights Bais Din at 390 Kingston Avenue after years of divide.

'One Crown Heights, one Badatz' is the new reality since last Friday, Erev Shabbos Parshas Mishpotim, perhaps signaling a new era in the Brooklyn neighborhood's Jewish leadership.

After years of maintaining two separate offices for the Crown Heights Beis Din, the office of Rabbi Yaakov Schwei was moved to the official Badatz offices at 390 Kingston Avenue.

The move was in accordance to one of the mandates of the psak made by the Zabla Bais Din, headed by Monsey Dayan Rabbi Avrohom Rosenberg, that all of the rabbonim of the Beis Din must convene in one location only.

Effective immediately, 390 Kingston is the sole address for the Beis Din Tzedek of Crown Heights with its three members Rabbi Avrohom Osdoba, Rabbi Schwei and Rabbi Yossi Braun.

"Bringing all of the rabbonim under one roof begashmiyus, is a tremendous milestone in restoring a united Beis Din and a united Crown Heights," said Zaki Tamir, Chairman of the Vaad Hakohol.

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(2/1/2011 7:38:23 PM)
It's Definitely a Step
But what a shame, they couldn't even get them together to take a picture.
There's a lot of work still ahead.
(2/1/2011 7:39:39 PM)
Baby Steps...
But in the right direction. Halevai Veiter.
(2/1/2011 7:40:54 PM)
baruch hashem
may this lead to true achdus b'gashmius
(2/1/2011 7:55:38 PM)
where is rabbi brauns office?
(2/1/2011 7:55:52 PM)
Mazel Tov!
We cant wait to greet Rabbi Braun,
Then the Beis Din will finally be complete after all these years.
(2/1/2011 8:20:43 PM)
This is why
I love Zaki!!!!!!

Keep it, we will soon have shalom in the shchuna!
(2/1/2011 8:23:17 PM)
now if they can only speak together...
(2/1/2011 8:29:19 PM)
zachor al tishkach
no smicha, no dayanus: NO RABANUS.
we were duped. wouldnt have voted for a rav without smicha.
(2/1/2011 8:35:36 PM)
Mazel Tov!! The world mirrors Crown Heights - it's time for all of us to be one!!
We know that the entire world is a reflection of what happens in Crown Heights.

B"H our Rabbaim are sitting and working together in shalom and kovod.

NOW is the time for everyone to get past their past and move on to the ONLY future: MOSHIACH NOW!!! We must all unite in kovod and ahava and haShem will see us as all of his children working and living together as one so haShem will be one with us

a true dira b'tachtonim, hashem's nachas!!
(2/1/2011 8:48:51 PM)
you write: "After years of maintaining two separate offices",
it hasn't been for so long - chck it out.
(2/1/2011 8:54:05 PM)
thanks for posting.
BTW - what about Rav Braun's office?
(2/1/2011 8:55:30 PM)
This is Tremendous!
We have salaries to pay. I think its a fantastic move in the right direction financially. More importantly, it sends a strong message to the members of our community, that the leadership is taking the steps necessary to guide their flock effectively.

Kudos to Zaki Tamir for your efforts
(2/1/2011 9:26:34 PM)
This is in the zchus of rabbi braun
(2/1/2011 9:29:42 PM)
Perhaps (?)This is in the zchus of rabbi braun
for sure!!!
may he have lots of hatzlacha
(2/1/2011 9:47:16 PM)
Chaim Sholom Ber
No. 6
There will never be a united Beis Din Crown heights until there is a third Rov.
Not a person who tried to cheat his way in.
This charade will come to an end, the only question how much more pain must we the residents of Crown Heights suffer in the interim.
No smicha - no rabonus.
(2/1/2011 10:31:37 PM)
Historical Accuracy Please
Rabbi Schwei was thrown out of the Badat"z offices by Rubashkin, who changed the locks overnight with Rabbi Osdoba's approval.
I hope this is the beginning of a new era of Sholom.
(2/1/2011 10:32:41 PM)
(2/1/2011 10:57:42 PM)
where is rabbi brauns door??
(2/1/2011 10:59:21 PM)
The photos of the two doors of Rabbi Osdoba and Rabbi Schwei in the same office are meaningless. There is no Beis Din yet, because there is no third Rav. There has not yet been any answer to the document written by Rav Yoel Kahan, Rav Avrohom Gerlitzky and Rav Berel Levin, which is a document that is the absolute truth, through and through. With no proper answers to their points and questions, the election was never valid and there is no third Rav for the Beis Din. New elections need to be called for immediately. This whole charade of showing the two rabbonim in the same office is truly meaningless until a new election is held to complete the Beis Din properly according to halacha.
(2/1/2011 11:16:45 PM)
metzuyan BH
kol hakavod!
(2/2/2011 12:06:30 AM)
this is very positive
Baruch Hashem, this is beautiful
(2/2/2011 12:07:25 AM)
I'm very excited
Kol Hakavod! This is truly a great new beginning.

Let's not be fooled - the is lots of work cut out for the community, but this is certainly a very positive step in the right direction.

May we go 'michayil el choyil' as a UNITED community, with much more 'Ahavas Yisroel'.

Let's forget the past and try to work towards a better future for all of us. for our children. for the Rebbe.
(2/2/2011 12:50:29 AM)
to #20
"real" lubavithcers follow the instructions of the Rebbe and the Shulchan Aruch! When there is a Psak Din from a Beis Din of a Zablo, an ehliche, poshute, yid follows the Psak to the T - regardless if it makes him happy or not.

(the Rebbe stated publicly, MANY times, that if one says something in the Rebbe's name which is inconsistent with the Shulchan Aruch, you should know that it is 1000% false!)

By the way, did you respect the Badatz 10-15 years ago? did the authors of the "document" you refer to respect them?
(2/2/2011 1:00:39 AM)
To: Chaim Sholom Ber
Did you ever hear the "story" of the priest who was driving Moshele crazy to convert, eventually he agreed. one Friday, the priest wanted to spy on him to make sure he was keeping the "rules" - not eating chicken on Friday.

lo-and-behold, he catches Moshele eating chicken at the sabbos table. the priest burst in and demands why he is violating the "halacha". Moshele replied, I learned form you: I sprinkled "holy water" on the chicken and turned it into fish.....

Do you honestly believe that if you repeat 1000 times that he does not have semicha - this will finally become the 'fact'? can you read Hebrew (without nekudos)? READ the document.

It makes absolutely NO difference what Rabbi Tziner says today what he "thought" while he signed the document. It clearly reads as Smicha. 5 distinguished Rabbonim paskend that.

and in case you didn't hear, he has at least 2 additional semichos - one was obtained subsuquent to the eletions. He also got Dayanus - Something Rabbi Osdobo did not do prior to his Hachtara.
(2/2/2011 1:19:04 AM)
great news!
This is a very positive 1st step. I hope an pray, that many more steps are taken - for the benefit of US ALL.
(2/2/2011 1:20:26 AM)
keep up the good work
Zaki -

Great job! Keep up the good work.

we need to grow up and learn how to obey a psak din. we need to learn to get along with each other.

we are brothers!
(2/2/2011 1:22:17 AM)
Thanks to the Rabbonim
Thank you Rabbi Osdobo and Rabbi Shcwey.

Ya'arichu Yamim Al Mamlachtam.
(2/2/2011 1:23:54 AM)
I think it's hard to call it "unity" if it's not as a result of any rapprochement, but only a fulfillment of a ruling by Rabbi Rosenberg.
(2/2/2011 2:07:58 AM)
shalom achshov?
shalom comes from a power that is higher than all parties involved, it is only the power of Torah that can unite, and be "oiseh sholom".

However, here in Crown Heights, the very Shleimus of Torah is at stake- a fraudulent installation of a "Rov" who doesn't have semicha..

Sholom cannot come from tampering with Shleimus haTorah any more than it can from tampering with Shleimus HaAretz.
(2/2/2011 5:35:58 AM)
Lies again
Readers please ignore the hate filled comment of 17, as usual it's exactly 180 degrees removed from the truth.

Rabbi Schwei moved out at that time of his own desire to do so, and to capitalize on it, the enemies of a united BD concocted and circulated the above story. Now, they pose as lovers of peace and unity, at all costs........."Blood shall flow but peace there will be" a most quotable quote from who?

But maybe someone CAN explain what happened to Rabbi Segal's office and all his correspondence,Din Torah records and other documents on yom aidom, when poltorak at el broke in, and posted a note on the door of the BaDatz that if R. Segal enters he 'll be arrested. Lo Nishkach vlo Nislach.
(2/2/2011 5:56:38 AM)
#20 you need a life or a lechaim....BTW ask rabbi gerlitzky under which "impression" he signed the letter!
(2/2/2011 9:30:37 AM)
Nu Nu
Dear Zaki

Even the simple act like showing Smicha Rabbi Braun refuses to comply with. How is this man supposed to be a LEADER when he can't compromise on the very basics.

You have a legal obligation to verify his credentials and you will will be held liable if you don't!
(2/2/2011 9:57:13 AM)
This is just fooling the people. Rabbi Schwei moved back just because the psak is asking for it. But Rabbi Osdoba refuses to accept the psak and refuses to talk to Rabbis Schwei and Braun. He ignores them. This has nothing to do with Zaki Tamir that still did not signed the contract give credit where credit is due kol hakavod Yossi and Fishel.
(2/2/2011 11:09:16 AM)
baruch hashem
may we have more sholom in kan tzivah...!
(2/2/2011 11:18:22 AM)
to #34
Who are YOU kidding?!

Hackner and Brownstein actually signed a contract with R' Braun behind the back of Tamir and the clear orders from R' Osdoba!!!

I don't know why no one reported about this yet but it is a major scandal!
(2/2/2011 11:19:50 AM)
Rav Schwei
Originally Rabbi Schwei moved out because shaalos and phone calls - people were asking and leaving messages - were not forwarded to him.
Can you imagine – a person leaving a shaalo for a Rav and it's not passed on to him?
(2/2/2011 11:58:53 AM)
to #32
What are you talking about? Obviously it's YOU who needs a l'chaim! What kind of talk is that about Rabbi Gerlitzky? Obviously somone who talks like that about a Talmid Chochom doesn't know what he's talking about.
(2/2/2011 12:06:27 PM)
TO #24
You obviously are avoiding the main point in Comment #20. You would be advised to read the letter from Rav Yoel Kahan and the other 2 Rabbonim very carefully and then you would see that the fact is that the psak is what is against the Shulchan Aruch - and therefore it is not to be listened to, as you yourself stated in your comment. Therefore, in essence you are agreeing to what it says in Comment #20 without even realizing it.

(2/2/2011 12:07:39 PM)
ita all NUTS
and it means Nothing
(2/2/2011 7:19:16 PM)
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