Dec 12, 2010
"Hate Blogs Are Killing Us"

The Rabbonim's letter was not about bochurim getting summons, rather about "hate blogs" spreading lies about a constant rift between the community and the police, Zaki Tamir tells COLlive.

"The hatred is getting out of hand," Zaki Tamir, Chairman of the Crown Heights Jewish Community Council, said Sunday in a candid and frank conversation with

He said a "tremendous amount of hatred and animosity" is being caused by a few renegade "hate blogs which are destroying the people. It's killing us."

Voted in by a vast majority last year, Tamir said his administration is "unable to do our jobs as a community and representing a community" due to agenda-driven attacks.

His statements were given in response to misinformation surrounding a letter by Crown Heights Badatz members Rabbi Avrohom Osdoba and Rabbi Yaacov Schwei concerning community affairs. was told that the letter was in the works for the past 3 weeks after one of the "hate blogs," as Tamir calls them, claimed there was a rift between the Crown Heights Hatzalah and the NYPD 71st Precinct.

Tamir and Eli Cohen, Executive director of the Crown Heights Jewish Community Council, both noted that in the case of 3 bochurim getting summons for 'blocking pedestrian traffic', they actually helped them out with finding an attorney and pursuing justice.

They said the issue here was an ongoing beef between rival civilian patrol groups in the neighborhood - Shmira and Shomrim - that spilled into the public arena.

(Shmira works with the 71st Commanding Officer Peter Simonetti, while the Shomrim only enjoyed the same status under the former Commanding Officer Frank Vega.)

Tamir speculated why the Shomrim group, led by Aron Hershkop and his brothers, did not receive the community's support when they were prosecuted a year and a half ago.

But, he pointed out, the group is today using the same tactics that they denounced and suffered from in the past.

He said the police are feeling antagonized and intimidated from doing their jobs, also as a result of the lies and false articles written about them "for not following an agenda."

"It's an abuse for people to take private fights that can otherwise be resolved and turning them into a criminal or civil matter when the basis is hatred and disagreement," Tamir, a criminal defense lawyer, said.

He rhetorically asked why crime was up in the neighborhood when there are four organizations claiming to fight it: the NYPD, the C.O.P. - Civilian Observation Patrol, Shmira and Shomrim.

"If we're not able to see eye to eye, we will never find a resolution (to the crime)," Tamir said, pointing out that he created a security committee to deal with such matters, but the patrols have not joined.

There have been growing talks against the existence of two patrols, both privately created and run, members of which are speaking on behalf of the community while not being elected or asked to do so by the people.

Talks of uniting the groups have failed in the past.

VIDEO: Zaki Tamir and Eli Cohen speak

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Opinions and Comments
Keep up the good work, your sincere, honest and trustworthy, don't allow the bloggers and haters to pull you down.
(12/12/2010 8:16:45 PM)
Keep up the great work!
(12/12/2010 8:23:37 PM)
Those who care to listen to the Rabonim never have issues with the Police so if it happens that they do they will probably go to the community council, those who have issues won't listen anyway, they now have more people to hate.
This edict was pointless and just brings the Rabonim bad PR, and that's all they need.
(12/12/2010 8:29:21 PM)
Thank you Zaki!
Its about time someone independent brings out this point.
(12/12/2010 8:29:31 PM)
kingston resident !!!
I'm sorry to say but shomrim had there chance to join as one with shmira (when the cop program opened). And what did they answer NO we will never go with shmira and make peace we will take down crown heights before that happeneds , while on shmira side even thow they don't get alomg they said for crown heights safety we will do anything , I remember once seeing the shmira corrdinator yanky prager saying I want this fights to stop and I tried to sit withthem in front of a rov and they said no and they massered on him the next day ,and said this is what you are going to get from us ! Well you see that the herskops (shomrim) don't think about helping crown heights but. Only about what's good for them, So please chjcc and collive bring the truth out about these people who only want crown heights to burn if they don't get there way,
(12/12/2010 8:30:07 PM)
i support zaki not cohen!! he was not on the ballot why is his face in every pircture!!
(12/12/2010 8:38:53 PM)
enough with shmira and shomrim they should both be stopped!! as long as you go with one there will always be hatred
(12/12/2010 8:39:45 PM)
Understand Z Tamir
It is so sad that there are so many people willing to volunteer and offer their time but because of ALL THE HATRED BLOGS this can not happen. Tamir you have the ability to stop them and continue doing the work that you are doing.
(12/12/2010 8:46:47 PM)
Tamir is right
We need to stick together. We are one community.
(12/12/2010 8:47:11 PM)
It's a chillul lubavitch, mosh embarasing.
(12/12/2010 8:54:52 PM)
Thank you for the response.

Unfortunately what your saying the letter was meant to address and the wording of the letter only partially overlap. The part that doesn't overlap puts a huge strain on the community and will certainly make people over an issur when there is no reason to do so.

How about working to get Shomrim back on good terms with the police department?

(12/12/2010 9:03:03 PM)
(12/12/2010 9:04:24 PM)
be done with
your right zaki-thee is no way to bring these 2 groups together because one group has no intention of bringing peace and unity in CH.So thats what you need to deal with formost.
(12/12/2010 9:05:23 PM)
Not buying it!
1)Sorry to say, you guys sounds like you kissing up to someone. i.e. damage control.

2)You guys have a good points,all the hate will not help us fix any problem. we need unity within our community. However, what do you expect ,when you fail to do your job. Zaki, you where elected to represent us but when we need the most you are help you are no where to be found. i.e. not answering phone calls or text.

3) We all know that we need the police to protect us and how important there job is to the community . After all, They keep us somewhat safe at night. But when they abuse there power we have a problem.

4) To serve and protect dose not mean to give out false tickets which cost us time and money. There job is to keep streets safe not push crime reports under the rug when they happen.

P.S.I was not elected by anyone and don's speak for anyone but myself. Think about it, How many people in crown heights do you know that where given BS traffic summons in the past five years.
(12/12/2010 9:08:21 PM)
Zaki For Change
I really had my doubts but after watching the whole video I can see this from a whole other perspective.
(12/12/2010 9:09:21 PM)
Devorim Hayotzim Min Halev Nichnosim El Halev

I see the both of you as sincere individuals dedicated to bettering the lives of people in our community.
I hope that others recognize your good intentions and trust your position as community leaders so that we can move forward toward more peaceful times.

This will in turn bring good in every sense through G-d's blessing onto our community
(12/12/2010 9:12:57 PM)
Why don't you come out every month with a message from the Community Council about your achievements of the past month and your goals for the next month and the CHJCC's opinion on current issues?
Are we not entitled to it?
(12/12/2010 9:13:29 PM)
To #6
If you support Zaki, you support Cohen. He was not on the ballot, however he is the Executive Director. He supports Zaki and is working with him to achieve the results Zaki wants. STOP WITH THE HATE. If you are not going to be a part of the solution at least don't be a part of the problem of spreading hard feelings. I am concerned, does anyone here in Crown Heights believe really in G-d?
(12/12/2010 9:13:52 PM)
Soooo, why didnít you help the 3 Bocherim?
If Zaki and Eli Cohen would have helped out those Bocherim when they got abused by the cops, I would respect their wishes, but until we see some results we will continue fighting back and complaining to 311 and launching investigations into the 71st precinct.
(12/12/2010 9:15:06 PM)
Iím not one of those people who love to complain about how terrible Crown Heights is. In fact, I was not raised here, and I chose to move here, and start a family here. I was married here, and I send my children to schools here. I know Crown Heights has its flaws, but this is my home, and this is where I choose to be. Crown Heights is a special place and I strongly believe the Bracha of the Rebbe is strong here. Something I know we all believe.

Itís with all that said that I am so saddened to see what is unfolding around us. If there is a PR war being fought here, everyone is losing, and losing badly. No one group will be able to stand up and say ďcanít we all get alongĒ, because each group is seen to have its ties to rival groups.

The only people that will end this divisiveness will be the people themselves. Itís not this group or that group, itís not that body or this body. Itís us! It must begin with us. At first I thought it was the websites that were the problem, but I think itís too easy to place the blame on them. Many of the problems stem from the comment sections.

While we can put pressure on all the websites to better moderate the comment sections, wouldnít it be better if we moderated ourselves? After all, the articles may be written by the websites, but the comment sections are ours alone.

As for the issue at hand, people on the street will only continue to talk and get agitated unless they hear from the police and are assured that they are safe. The recent murders and the discovery of a dead body near the Lubavitcher Yeshiva on Crown Street only serve to scare regular people. When people are scared itís easy for them to believe the police are the bad guys.

No one wants the police to be successful more then the residents of the town they are sworn to protect. But the police and the leaders of our community must do a better job in showing that this is serious and that they have a handle on the situation.

If everyone does their part, and we, the people, do our part in moderating our own speech. This will go a long way in repairing the current situation.

As someone who wishes to continue to raise his family here and spend many more years getting Nachas from my children and this community I really hope we can get passed all of this.

(12/12/2010 9:15:51 PM)
To # 6
Cohen was hired to work for the vaad and he is doing a good job!

Zaki, keep up the GREAT work!
(12/12/2010 9:16:39 PM)
Apparently you didn't read the letter.
The letter reads "No one shall..." "No one may..." "It is forbidden..."
Maybe it's just me, but it seems like they are telling us what to do, not suggesting for our own good.
Why use this language, you only make yourselves look like control freaks, not like people who want to help the community, you are unpopular enough, why add to it?
I suggest that you stop treating the community as irrelevant subjects and engage them and keep them ALL of us in the know with regards to the community councils activities, plans, accomplishments etc.
And by the way, why isn't the community informed about what is going on in this Zabla, why don't you inform us with the same vigor that you informed us about this decree?
(12/12/2010 9:19:57 PM)
He's right
No more fighting
(12/12/2010 9:24:06 PM)
sounds like Zaki is saying that Shomrim is trying to take revenge on the community for not backing them. So much for them having the community welfare at heart.
(12/12/2010 9:26:34 PM)
Where is Yisroel Shemtov?!
It is time to disband both the Shmira and Shomrim, and to leave COP (in my humble opinion, any time a group of our yungerlite hang around t and are buddy buddyís with the cops it is not a good idea, it makes it too easy to slip up and do Messira).
We need a new 3rd way; we need someone like Yisroel Shemtov to form a new/old group like the Maccabies. All members from the other 3 groups should be invited to join, except for the Hershkops, Pragers and the leaders of the old groups. Letís thank them for their service and make them retire, gracefully!

(12/12/2010 9:26:41 PM)
How about some kind of weekly update (on community affairs) to let the community know whats going on and possibly prevent the need for such letters and their effects in the future?

Seeing that things are happening will also help restore peoples trust in the Vaak Hakahol and the CHJCC.
(12/12/2010 9:26:54 PM)
Eli Cohen's mistake
the mistake is to under play the crime that exist. say clearly that "big" crime is down, but "small" crime is up.
let us know your dealing with it and we'll be a little happier
(12/12/2010 9:27:49 PM)
one disagreement
one point that cannot be right here is when Zaki said both sides of a fight are wrong.This is not alwaays the case and MOST certainly not in this incidence where one party seems insistent on keeping the peace far away as long as they hold the most power and control.This is quite sad as I thought Zaki would be honest and do the "right"thing as opposed to trying to keep everyone "sweet"Zaki you have a responsibility to the community to bring about a new perhaps bring a vote to the community and see who the community want to run the security?
(12/12/2010 9:28:56 PM)
Apropos of readers' comments
No offense intended, but could those posting comments please check their spelling before posting their comments? The spelling is often a (not so) fine example of "Noach mit zeebn greizin." Checking one's spelling doesn't make one a bad person, y'know, especially if you're already on the internet .
(12/12/2010 9:39:57 PM)
interesting message
It would be a good idea to read a letter before issuing it, to ensure it has the message that you are trying to convey, not Chas Vesholom a message that could violate victim's rights.
(12/12/2010 9:40:37 PM)
maybe the comuniti concial shuld make a new shmire and give any valuntire a chance to sighn on and a commiti will decide an those members what their roll will be
(12/12/2010 9:53:14 PM)
i am shaking
Gd forbid something happens
Gd forbid
wont have to think far to understand why

we the jewish ppl are supposed to be spreading light
we have a spiritual purpose in the world
what does it take to wake everyone up

i am shaking
(12/12/2010 9:53:51 PM)
(12/12/2010 9:57:57 PM)
The letter that was issued seemed to indicate a very different ruling.

Still, assuming that this is your message, don't you think the community members are able to decide for themselves what they need to do when they are victims? This is America, and the police are here to protect us, we don't need to manage our residents from protecting themselves when they need to.

(12/12/2010 10:01:49 PM)
Kudos to Zaki
Not my first choice, but this man seems to be the right one for the job. Articulate, passionate - he cares about Crown Heights.

This is the first time I have heard the issue addressed forcefully. Keep it up. We need to hold down the arms and bring in the achdus.
(12/12/2010 10:05:57 PM)
stop hating!!!
Stop hating and allow Zaki accomplish what he wants to accomplish.
(12/12/2010 10:11:27 PM)
Enough is enough
Why are we driven by complacency. Can we not move on? We need to join hands and push for a better future. I respect Tamir and Cohen for their efforts.
(12/12/2010 10:12:22 PM)
no one else can get their act together other than Z tamar
all those smart people with brilliant comments let us see how you can run the community. Be thankful hakadosh baruch hu sent us Zaki to help our community.
(12/12/2010 10:13:21 PM)
Zaki please ignore the haters so you can better the community.
(12/12/2010 10:14:20 PM)
Zaki is right, BUT.....
Hats off to your honesty, commitment and sincerity in bringing peace and security to this community....

BUT: Let's not give the PD awards and gratitude, without clearly expressing to them the overwhelmingly felt mutual opinion of majority of the community that, we feel that the police are somehow much faster to give out parking tickets etc. to fill their quota, they are always in the right place in the right time when it comes to catching a ticket victim,
AND MUCH SLOWER to be in the right place at the right time when unfortunately the victim is one of violence and crime. Let's not fool ourselves.

BOTTOM LINE, when you see a cop, one SHOULD feel safe and secure to be around them. Somehow for all to many in this community, when they see a cop, they feel unsafe and very insecure, thinking "let me get away before he pulls me over".

(12/12/2010 10:14:43 PM)
Tamir and Eli Cohen, Executive director of the Crown "Heights Jewish Community Council, both noted that in the case of 3 bochurim getting summons for 'blocking pedestrian traffic', they actually helped them out with finding an attorney and pursuing justice."
(12/12/2010 10:22:21 PM)
ZAKI TAMIR for President

Well said. The more I hear of him the more I am confident that BE"H Zaki Tamir is sincere. Let's all work together.
(12/12/2010 10:22:56 PM)
2 statements
It seems like Zaki is saying not to make statements that might be taken as a community opinion and lets handle the infighting within the community. This makes alot of sense.

But Eli Cohen seems to be saying that anything negative that you say about the police can hurt their ability to get favors from the police so don't say anything negative to the media, just like is written in the letter from the Rabbonim.
(12/12/2010 10:28:15 PM)
Zaki is the Man!

Whoa!!!! Nice article. We should all support Zaki Tamir. He is a sincere person who actually cares and is doing something about it. At the very least, if you don't actually do something productive to help, don't hurt Zaki's efforts to execute change.
(12/12/2010 10:29:05 PM)
Rabbi Zaki Tamir, you go man

What a breath of fresh air. Someone who is ACTUALLY doing something. WHY? Only because he cares about the Rebbe's Shchuna. No other reason. B"H he has a successful law firm and he is a phenomenal defense attorney who gets results for his clients. Folks, this guy cares for us. He is a keeper. Let's help him help us. Let's not be stupid and bite our nose to spite our face. Peace.
(12/12/2010 10:35:16 PM)
to # 5
You are so rite , I think all the hershkops got to go , I ask all you people that are commenting here do you like the hershkops do you support them on the bad that they do if yes then you also got to get out of the CH , I know thaty shmira is always rolling in the middle of the night. Trying to keep crown heights safe , do u ever see shomrim doing that NO , what u see them is look what they can find bad on someone , well to the whole crown heights community wake up and don't support them and support shmira (cop) for they are doing the besdt they can and never get a thank you from us the community , thank u collive for showing every one that shomrim and and the other sites are out there to make problems for the rebbes shchuna
(12/12/2010 10:36:06 PM)
CHJCC Newsletter

I heard the CHJCC is coming out with a newsletter. Zaki Tamir has his finger on the pulse of this community. We are Lubavitchers. Remember, we love everyone. Let's love our own too. Let's focus on the same interests and compromise for greater good of the community. A new era has begun. Let us bury the hatchet and rebuild and heal.
(12/12/2010 10:43:11 PM)
please dont use words like "killing" its a scary enough world out there
(12/12/2010 10:48:14 PM)
It's TAMIR time

We are ushering in a new era. Tamir is willing to work hard to again bring transparency, peace and love to the Rebbe's community and children. We need to help...... No hatred, just love. No fighting, just peace. No aggression, just tolerance. We can do it. Let's support this brilliant, well spoken, sincere, peace loving man. For our sake.
(12/12/2010 10:49:00 PM)
This community is like a spoiled child, it needs a slap across the face as a wake up call. The Rebbe is gone, the cream of our crop is out of CH on shlichus, what's left is machlokes makers, period.
(12/12/2010 10:49:03 PM)
another circus
just another act to the crown height circus!
(12/12/2010 11:23:13 PM)
zaki, why are you confusing the issue?
Why do you try and make it sound like both side are wrong when it is so obviously not so. The shomrim are wrong. While they may have done some good in the past, they are and have been hurting this community for the longest time now. their messira and sinas chinum has no limits. there are not 4 groups. COP and Shmira work together as one and are in contact and working hand in hand with the NYPD on a daily basis. The Shmira patrol cars are seen patrolling the streets of our neighborhood at all hours of the day and night. They make arrests and stop crime. If you had backbone you would stand up for what's right and against whats wrong. Stop trying to play the polotician.
(12/13/2010 12:50:31 AM)
to 39
Yes. Ignore the haters. The more attention given, the more legitimacy they get. But it wouldn't hurt if they were shut down.
(12/13/2010 1:01:03 AM)
g-d bless you
I respect Tamir and Cohen for their efforts.

(12/13/2010 1:13:29 AM)
To everyone including #41
They did 'help' the bochurim in a sense. Eli Cohen offered the bochurim a friend of his who is a lawyer to represent them for 500 dollars (good deal, don't you think?). And he told them to keep the story quiet, and let the justice system take care of itself. Wow, what great assistance. -Chaim G. (I heard this first hand)
(12/13/2010 1:46:28 AM)
Finally someone with guts
Lets make it clear! it's NOT about Shmira and Shomrim! It's about shomrim and anyone that has a different opinion. If you disagree with them as most Lubavitch does you're subject to terrorism both physical and mental. Through their umbrella sites all they can report is accidents and fights.
(12/13/2010 1:48:37 AM)
why are they giving them any positive attention
they are only working for there own agenda
(12/13/2010 2:29:36 AM)
Dear Zaki
I agree with what you've said, but not with your presentation. You could have done this in a 7 minute video more effectively if you'd prepared a little better.

Thanks anyway, at least you're doing something!
(12/13/2010 2:53:54 AM)
sinas chinum
We have a cancer in our midst and that is SINAS CHINUM
It needs to be eradicated immediatly
(12/13/2010 3:11:10 AM)
the rabbanim's letter
All the explanations are very nice but the badatz letter speaks for itself .Most people consider it ridiculous and communistic. Did they not know that the letter will be published all over causing a chillul hashem?. They should have wrote a more moderate & thoughtout letter.
(12/13/2010 3:16:04 AM)
so the truth comes out...
So the letter wasn't what the press made it out to be ...what a surprise...NOT

I for one am sick of the lies being spread.
Zaki your a good man.
(12/13/2010 3:36:23 AM)
As an outsider I don't understand how a community can be held to ransom by a pathetic family committed to destruction. Back in the day when I lived in Crown Heights, 10 of us would have physically carried them out of the community and dumped them hundreds of miles away with a simple threat: "You return at your peril." I could think of the other nine guys who would join me. Now we are all on shlichus and you let a menacing band of men take you all hostage? How absurd is that?

In the meantime needing Rabbonim to write letters in an attempt to stop them is demeaning to the Rabbonim and clearly a futile exercise anyway. You're all fearful sitting ducks and will get what you deserve until you change your own attitude.
(12/13/2010 4:14:52 AM)
excellent. well spoken
(12/13/2010 4:16:52 AM)
scrap them both start anew
what is needed is to scrap them both start fresh all members should be professionally trained & licensed which requires background checks.I will wager that at least half of each patrol would fail the criminal back ground checks. Yes that is what we have 2 gangs of thugs & do nothings.As for the 71 pct civilian patrol It is mostly a extension of the Shmirah gang of thugs!
(12/13/2010 5:33:13 AM)
We support you, Zaki
Thank you Zaki for having the guts to say it like it is and stand up for our community. Us regular folks just want all this to stop so we can focus on the important issues, such as cracking down on crime in our neighborhood.
In Williamsburg the community police liaison IS the head of shomrim! They work with the police, not against them!
Only in our crazy neighborhood would you find a comm. patrol who proudly says they are fighting the police
its just madness that we put up with it...
(12/13/2010 6:40:22 AM)
I don't understand...
If shmira is so good, and shomrim is all bad, why do people regularly call Shomrim when there is an assault or attack or mugging, etc? Why do I keep reading articles saying how shomrim members responded quickly and came to the scene and helped? Seems to me- an outsider living in a different continent- that Shomrim does good for the residents of crown heights. Don't want to cause problems here, just want to understand.
(12/13/2010 7:09:53 AM)
GO]]]]]ZAKI [[[[[[[GO [tamir for president!!!]
and for all dem haters out there,
WATCH THE WAY U RUN YO MOUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(12/13/2010 8:04:20 AM)
Do we live in a police state?
In a democracy one should be able to criticize the police without fear of collective punishment being visited upon the community. We have a constitutional right to open our mouths and say what we want, and still expect the police to fulfill their duties fairly, if they donít we should make a communal lawsuit and sue them for discrimination and damages.
By definition, if we are afraid of the police then we live in a police state, not a democracy.
And #41 speak to the bocherim themselves and you will find that the first reaction was to brush them off, only when this thing escalated and the TV did a feature about their story did Cohen want to get involved.
(12/13/2010 8:06:05 AM)
He is right
Zaki is absolutely right in every thing he said. The one who says the opposite is a baal machlokes.
(12/13/2010 8:41:07 AM)
3 Weeks and 25 minutes?
If they really spent 3 weeks to write the letter, they should have found a way to make the letter sound like what they wanted to say. I did not see anywhere in the letter where it mentioned the words "on behalf of the community"

Also, nice talk here but again, you probably could have said in five minutes "do not try to represent the community if you are not in charge".

Lastly, this is something that should be directed specifically to the police so they know that the only ones who can speak on behalf of the public are those who were elected by the public.
(12/13/2010 8:51:10 AM)
Seriously? If you didn't want a tough job, why did you run for office? What did you expect?
(12/13/2010 9:05:26 AM)
I was given a bogus ticket on Shabbos
For an "improperly displayed license plate." It was in place, clearly readable, just bent at a corner from some car backing in to me over Shabbos! I'm fighting it, along with a ticket that I was given at a place I have never been (that one is more problematic.)

If the cops worry less about making things up & more about Blacks shooting at Jews we'd all be OK.

Tamir, stop worrying about blogs. Do your job with integrity! It says a lot about this "hate blog" that they manage to get you all fired up. Certainly abuses by the police don't seem to make a dent in your day.
(12/13/2010 9:13:03 AM)
listen to the Rabbis
history has shown that hashem blesses us when we follow the way instructed by our Rabbis, a little bitul never killed anyone
(12/13/2010 9:29:08 AM)
you r saying that u can't do your job and that the police can't do their job because of a hate blog? do u think we r nuts? r u such wimps? the police can't fight crime because of a hate blog? the police must abuse citizens because of a hate blog? r they not bigger than that? it sounds like a lousy excuse not to do your job. even worse, it sounds like a common liberal/communist excuse to gag all opponents...
(12/13/2010 9:47:05 AM)
To #74
Best post!
(12/13/2010 10:44:44 AM)
More excuses and defensiveness
from Z.Tamir, who should know better. People are not as stupid and gullible as you seem to imply, with your transparent attempt at damage control. Most Crown Heights folk are just busy with the grind of daily life, like everyone else. We are counting on you, as a duly elected community representative, to see that the police respond to our concerns, effectively and legitimately.
Instead, we get damage control, placating the police, hobnobbing with trouble makers. For shame! You can do better.
(12/13/2010 10:48:42 AM)
#62 is so correct and right on the money!
(12/13/2010 10:59:18 AM)
One side can be right in a fight
I totally disagree with Zaki assertion that if 2 people are in fight than they are both somehow to blame. Was Moshe to blame for Korech starting up with him. Kavoyocho was the Rebbe to blame when shach made a fight with him. Maybe someone is right.
(12/13/2010 11:16:49 AM)
how come.
the only story this cohen dude was able to bring to prove our "gr8" relationship with the police was A STORY FROM LAST YEAR CHANUKAH????? was there nothing good they did in the last whole year?????
(12/13/2010 11:35:02 AM)
To shomrim and shmira;
You might have good intentions but harm is even greater. Time to unite or shut down - or move to another place!

there is no use for your protection if crime is anyways up and your time is spent on massering about each other
(12/13/2010 12:35:32 PM)
Zaki rocks
Zaki is doing his best to get all this conflict resolved. Let's do our job so he can do his.
(12/13/2010 12:41:19 PM)
Ahavas Chinam!!!
Zaki is 100% right...If you don't have any other agendas it's pretty obvious that Zaki cares for the community just because he wants the best for it...
(12/13/2010 1:33:35 PM)
Well said Zaki
This needs to be resolved
(12/13/2010 3:11:34 PM)
Why keep going in circles?
If the CHJCC is really doing it's best to solve the crime issue- they are discussing, compromising and giving awards to the police and not getting results, then the obvious move is to go outside these confines and contact other government officials to address our concerns and make any departmental changes.
(12/13/2010 3:40:00 PM)
stop the fighting
Why do you try and make it sound like both side are wrong when it is so obviously not so. The SHMIRAH are wrong. While they may have done some good they are and have been hurting this community for the longest time now. their messira and sinas chinum has no limits. there are not 4 groups. COP and Shomrim aslways have worked together as one and are in contact and working hand in hand with the NYPD on a daily basis. The Shhomrim patrol cars are seen patrolling the streets of our neighborhood at all hours of the day and night. They make arrests and stop crime. If you had backbone you would stand up for what's right and against whats wrong. Stop trying to play the polotician.
(12/13/2010 4:11:29 PM)
To #3
Your comment is naive and a gross generalization. People who listen to the Rabbonim have also unfortunately been victims of crimes which were not addressed properly by the police.
(12/13/2010 5:38:53 PM)
Zaki Tamir Way to Go

I am so happy you were voted in. I didn't vote for you and boy do I feel bad. Next election I will be the first one on line with all my friends and colleagues. What a mentsch. You really care wow. You are so well spoken and pleasure to hear. you have our support. Chazak V'ematz.
(12/13/2010 7:25:31 PM)
achdus now
(12/13/2010 9:02:45 PM)
I think we have to work on Achdus
Its time to have a central base like Hatzalah for everyone in our schuna who wants to volunteer to patrol should be able to join;and of course with certain guidelines and training. The police certainly need our help. Also it probablywould be a good idea to have volunteers who are home during the day and evening to rotate and watch our blocks(block watchers). Crime in our community is certainly up and we should see to it that a positive change comes about. No one should sit in judgement of any groups, let us try to bring everyone together for the future of our Schuna.
(12/13/2010 9:17:22 PM)
ATT: #62
Please, why don't you let us know who you are -
Certain shluchim in various countries internationally have to deal with violent situations on a daily basis, I hope you are not one of them so that such a tough shliach was not wasted on a relatively calm place; but I digress -
Please let us know who you are, I would like to sponsor a ticket for you so that you can come in and carry these terrible people so far, far away.
(I think I can put together funds for up to ten other shluchim friends as well, but you can probably do it all alone.)
(12/13/2010 9:24:13 PM)
#85 well said
#85 well said. zakie dont be so naive.
(12/13/2010 9:27:23 PM)
I think Everyone is way off point.
I'm not going to even touch the subject of who is to blame, But rather that the complaint crown heights residents had the past few years was that the 2 rabbiís are always fighting, Yet here came zaki and got them to agree and sign the same document and suddenly the community doesn't care what the rabbiís have to say, Just a reminder that during the questionable election the one candidate that did listen to the rabbiís and pulled out of the race was zaki, all he is asking is that we as a community follow the psak of the community rabbiís is that so hard?????
(12/13/2010 9:30:58 PM)

grow up and think of the big picture.. 10 years of fighting is enough..

(12/13/2010 10:35:59 PM)
I have a clearer picture now
I feel more secure that there is united responsible leadership here that knows what's going on behind the scenes and is directing us accordingly. It actually makes me feel secure to get a strong letter like that signed by the Rabbonim.
(12/14/2010 6:45:55 PM)
this is a clear message of what we all want and need now more than ever
(12/15/2010 1:15:29 PM)
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