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Tznius Booklet Sparks Discussion

A booklet about tznius given out this past week in Crown Heights has sparked a discussion over who should set modesty standards. Full Story

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Tzniut question
December 3, 2011 8:23 am

I know this is rllly off topic but: Do we keep tzniut to make ourselves unattractive? I was reeding anotha blog and in it sum Jew sed that she doesn’t understand the deal with shaitels and keeping tzniut these days b/c they look niceer than ur actual hair. (and r therefore more attractive). R we allowed to be both tzniut and attractive??

wake up
February 6, 2011 5:52 pm

yes, tznius does have guidlines according to which you have to follow.
i think the point was that it shouldnt be looked at as a checklist. For tznius IS different than other mitzvos. it reflects upon the persons inside, their self dignity. and when someone has true yiras shomayim and self dignity, they will be tznius and follow the RULES

which one comes first priority? the rules or the dignity? i think they come together.

22 responding to 23
February 2, 2011 10:47 pm

I don’t understand why you make tznius an exception. Would you say that kashrus – checking eggs, keeping meat/milk separate- is a way of life rather than a set of rules? Mitzvos are, first and foremost, commandments – rules.

To 22: Perhaps not so?
February 2, 2011 2:31 pm

Can it be that the reason CH looks the way it does is because tznius is taught as rules and girls do not identify with it at all. When you try to impose a way of dress on someone whose entire mentality contradicts it, it can’t last very long. Of course those who are influenced by secular values (or non-values) must cover themselves so as not to harm those who see them, but that HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH TZNIUS! It is Lifnei Iver. Tznius is a way of life which must encompass the entire person, without which even the… Read more »

Rabbi Heller - you weren't clear:
February 2, 2011 8:21 am

Tznius is more than a set of rules the same way that Shabbos or Pesach or kashrus or taharas hmishpachah is more than a set of rules. First, you follow the rules. Then add all kinds of good attitudes and holy atmosphere. But if you don’t start with the rules, there’s nothing later. Nothing.

May the chain of inspiration continue.
February 1, 2011 9:13 pm

I was visiting crown heights for the kinnus, and was blown away by the practical effort and actions of merkaz anash…. WOW! the packets and “lmaan yishmaeu’s” are very inspiring and really made tznius feel practicall and something of PRIDE AND DIGNITY. TO ALL THOSE PEOPLE behind this organazation, there is no way i can truly express my grattitude for all ur efforts. I have decided , what i can do, is spread the inspiration i received from your materials with my community. may we reap the revealed fruits of your labor!
Mechoyil El Choyil! and THANK YOU!

Its about time!
February 1, 2011 8:57 pm

If only we were taught tznius in this way, I think a lot of things would look different in this community.

Twisted
February 1, 2011 8:34 pm

“Modesty is no longer perceived as a checklist of rules about how to dress; it is now a way of life which emphasizes sensitivity, pride and dignity.”
I couldn’t have come up with a more backwards way of putting it.

Impressed
February 1, 2011 1:22 pm

The booklet is really nice. They gave it out to us at the Kinus – and it is a beautiful gift that I will read and re-read from time to time. Tznius is a bit of a struggle for me because you want to keep up and look good. This booklet, with its beautiful articles- really empowered me to be more conscious and more careful about the impact of my appearance. I dont know who printed it -but for whoever did – thanks for a gentle and gracious reminder of our dignified roots – something to work on and live… Read more »

To no.10
February 1, 2011 9:24 am

Request a copy at [email protected]

It's a complete package
February 1, 2011 9:06 am

Tznius needs to be encouraged in schools from pre-K. Then, just as some frei kids come home from Hebrew School & encourage mom to light Shabbos candles, maybe our children will encourage their mothers to dress & act appropriately. How about the way girls walk in the street? How they talk to each other & to older people? What about respect? Case in point: on blocks where the shoveled path isn’t wide enough for people to pass each other, why do I, as a bubby, have to move to the side and even climb onto snow & ice to let… Read more »

A good initiative
February 1, 2011 8:19 am

Whoever can read what that book contains will know and admit that it is well written and we need such books in the Schunah. It was written in a kind tune, with no aggressiveness. It is a good initiative and should be distributed in the Chabad community.as a whole and not only in Crown Heights, because Tznius is an issue which touches the whole Chabad community. There are things in our Chasidus that cannot no longer be tolerated. Whoever acts to stop that plague and awake or consciensness on the matter is worth a praise. Those who are not appalled… Read more »

To Comment # 10.
February 1, 2011 6:30 am

Download it! You must have Adobe Reader, you can get it from Adobe.com. Click link below.

http://www.lmaanyishmeu.com/pdf/Pride%20and%20Dignity.pdf

It sounds like a great book!
February 1, 2011 12:52 am

Finally someone seems to be getting it right.

great
February 1, 2011 12:07 am

kudos to those who are willing to stand up for G-d! and if they cant pub their name — well no kidding look wat a crazy bunch of gossipmongers weve all become. see i also dont want to say my name lol.

Wow A Booklet!!!
January 31, 2011 11:14 pm

Great job I am sure A lot of work went into it…..Will it help….. a bit Probably but how much…. I will probably make so small an impact to the extent that it is insignificant…… What we need is some love from are parents/familys…… .Dont be pushed away by our fake disinterest that is just a shell…Oh wait I have 8 Kids and I work full time how will I have the time for all my kids….Hmm…That’s tough But if you want your kids to be healthy and frum you are going to have to put it the time and… Read more »

la costa
January 31, 2011 10:58 pm

how can i get the book in LA?

to #8
January 31, 2011 10:21 pm

YA AND TEACHERS

Thank you!
January 31, 2011 9:32 pm

Kol Hakovod!
I read it and advise every parent and teacher to share it.
A job well done!
May it bring the desired results.

to 2
January 31, 2011 8:50 pm

very very gut gezogt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

much appreciated
January 31, 2011 8:32 pm

Thanks to all who put this booklet out. It is inspirational and long over due!

kol hakovod
January 31, 2011 8:29 pm

let us all strengthen ourselves in this area

beautiful
January 31, 2011 8:25 pm

the booklet was EXCELLENT and WELL WRITTEN. it really brought out the beauty of being and yes, dressing tzniusdik.
the stories were inspiring and very effective.
I highly recommend everyone read !
it definitely did NOT give the message that tznius is only impt inside.

FINALLY!!
January 31, 2011 8:17 pm

It has been WAY too long that we have gone without such a thing. The Jewish community at large must understand that Tznius is an INNER beauty that can be perceived outwardly if done correctly. This idea, rather than a choking and “old-news” check list will ultimately be the solution to modesty issues. The dress part of all this is the completion of a beautiful woman who is truly beautiful inside. It doesn’t work if you go backwards. Begin by working on yourself, the more respect you have for yourself and others, the more you will actually WANT to dress… Read more »

cmon
January 31, 2011 7:36 pm

i think this article is HIGHLY exaggerated. The only quote you have against it is an anonymous guy. Don’t try to make controversy where there isn’t any.

great
January 31, 2011 7:31 pm

t i thing it was a great thing and keep up the awesome work!!

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