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Oct 14, 2009
Drinking at a Bar, Lounge
So you're on a Shidduch date in a lobby of a hotel or meeting a business client in a lounge, is it permissible to have an alcoholic drink from a clean glass? Rabbi Yitzchak Hanoka of OK Kosher Labs answers. by Rabbi Yitzchak Hanoka, Kosher Spirit
First, we have to look at the question from a halachic perspective. Is cold liquid in a non-kosher vessel permissible? The simple answer is that one is allowed to use a clean non-kosher vessel for cold liquids on a temporary basis, as long as one does not have the liquid sitting in the vessel for 24 hours (the time it takes for kovush – pickling).
Halacha requires all non-kosher vessels to be cleaned before use. One can rely on the fact that a reputable establishment keeps all items clean to comply with health regulations.
To explain further, regular liquids have a 24-hour time period of before kovush and absorbing from the vessel in which it is contained. Sharp liquids, like alcohol, would absorb in a shorter period of time (18 minutes). This is only true if the majority of liquid is alcohol, but most alcohols are not considered sharp liquids, because they would have to be over 100-proof (more than 50% alcohol).
The average alcohol contains a substantial amount of water and is not pure alcohol. In addition, many mixed drinks, like Bloody Mary, Screwdriver, etc. are even further diluted. With mixed drinks, it is imperative to make sure that each ingredient is kosher certified.
When drinking a shot, most people drink it right away, within 18 minutes and in most cases, the shot is not strong enough to absorb in 18 minutes anyway.
In a case where someone is drinking a “sharp” alcohol, like Zektz un Ninetzinger, it is proper to make sure to drink it in less than 18 minutes. Some Sefardim hold of the Beis Yosef’s opinion that glass does not absorb at all and are lenient, but the minhag of Ashkenazim is to be machmir.
A slice of lemon or lime (commonly added to drinks) is a sharp food cut with a non-kosher knife and is not permissible.
There is also a din of not drinking with goyim at non-Jewish parties (like an office holiday party).
This response was written for situations when one is socializing in a Torah-permissible manner (i.e. Shidduchim, etc.). For questions regarding a non-Jewish party, please ask your local Orthodox rabbi.
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Yorah Deah Siman 114, can you discuss this?
Many girls are being told by seminary teachers that there is a halachic issue with this irregardless of the idea of alcoholic beverages
To 1: Let people live. Not everything that anyone ever writes about has to be about your pressing issue. If you don't like the subject of the article it wasn't for you.
To 2: Careful there...you're making a shailah on ALL shidduch dating. I think for that answer you have to look in the 5th cheileck of Shulchan Oruch
To 3: LOL
To 4: I don't think Kosher goes by average...maybe if you said "chazaka" I'd get what you're saying...
To 5: Now this is what really freaks me out....where do you get this #$% from?
2. Drinking an alcoholic beverage can help you 'open up' and feel at each. A beer or cocktail is recommended.
3. On the other hand, don't over due it. Alcohol has weired - and at times dangerous - effect on humans.
the maven
not so true, if the knife was already used to cut many lemons....
This clearly does not apply to a knife used to cut only a handful of lemons, which is more probable at a bar.
There may be other kulos for having the sliced lemon, namely that a bar would not likely use the knife they use to slice fruit and vegetables as they would to slice non-kosher items, if that is even served in the bar. Of course, don't take my word for it and consult your LOR.
Cocktails like Manhattan have wine based alcohol
Cognac, brandy and vermouth are a majority of the time based on aged or fortified wine. Know what you are drinking before you buy.
not so 'dish
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