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Rabbi Krinsky Calls For 770 Order

Rabbi Yehuda Krinsky made a startling revelation that the Rebbe wasn't pleased with the 'Kevutza' bochurim coming to New York, and called for background checks on students. Full Story, Photos, Video

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749 EP
November 27, 2015 11:22 am

I passed by yesterday and its filthy. A chilul Hashem because everyone knows who lives there.

I agree to
November 26, 2015 1:08 pm

Yes every bachur should be looked into, and yes everyone that has no criminal record should be given a chance. This was the the Rebbes shita is speech, talks and action.
Maybe we should ban half the Rebbes teaching our children because of the danger and chillul hahsem that has come out from the abuse over the years. Lets address that first and foremost then tackle our children.

why is the topic whether or not the rebbe was for it or against it?
November 26, 2015 3:53 am

we are dealing with violence!!!
we are dealing with chilul hashem and chilul lubavitch in the greatest of forms!!!
perhaps we should have a disscussion on the rebbes opinion on domestic abuse? terrorism? murder?

whats wrong with u people?! u guys sound like obama re isis…

Richard M. Nixon
November 26, 2015 2:22 am

Pres. Richard Nixon once said, “The Great Silent Majority.” How apropos. L’havdil, ‘our’ situation here in Crown Heights central.

Not that long ago, 770 was such nice place.

Focus
November 25, 2015 8:19 pm

Try not to focus on the speaker and whether he is biased or should have said this long ago. And try not to focus on whether there was or not a Rebbe answer many years ago that may or may not be applicable to the current situation. Try better to focus on what is currently happening and what you think is a logical approach. There seems to be inappropriate behavior occurring by yeshiva bochurim here in ny, and possibly particularly by bochurim from israel. Does hanhala have the ultimate say over what transpires in the Yeshiva? Does the hanhala have… Read more »

Rebbe's answer!
November 25, 2015 12:02 pm

Translation of last photo in this article: 5787-5788 [1986-88] Answer of the Rebbe to a hanhala member at Yeshivas Toras Emes who wrote regarding the Kevutza: “We should endeavor to send more talmidim from Toras Emes than every year” – the Rebbe circled these words and wrote: “?! “Looks an error has occurred. “Aderaba – My opinion does not concur with [the idea] of sending talmidim to here from Eretz Hakodesh, may it be rebuilt, (also not from Tomchei Temimim) even in the numbers of up till now, and clearly – not to add [more talmidim]. “The reason – is… Read more »

Very probable Source
November 25, 2015 9:22 am

This seems to be the source to what Rabbi Krinsky was saying: In Ymei Tmimim (v4 p271), in connection to the Talmidei HaKvutzeh’s traveling to the Rebbe from Pesach time (as they would some years for a half-year, or beginning their year from Pesach), the Rebbe responded to the hanhala of Kfar Chabad (via telegram – apparently for the urgency!) very sharply (7 Nissan 5730): תמוהה ומוזרה השמועה כאילו לא הזהירו כל אחד ממש מהתלמידים הרוצים לנסוע לכאן שזה תלוי בהחלטתם התקיפה ללמוד כאן בהתמדה וביראת שמים ובהנהגה חסידותית, ובוודאי יזהירו עתה ויודיעני בטח. Needless to say, Rabbi Efroyim Volff… Read more »

thank you rabbi krinsky
November 25, 2015 5:02 am

thank you, oh how i wish rabbi krinsky would have been allowed to do more in the past 20 years. instead bitter infighting has caused to sit on the side and literally be quiet. while other mazkirim run around speaking all day making themselves important, the one person who was actually helping the rebbe every day on anything that needed to be done is kept on the side and basically told to be quiet. i wish rabbi krinsky hatzlacha in getting back 770 into the hands of chasidim and when he does, i hope the yeshiva is not allowed in… Read more »

To all
November 24, 2015 10:09 pm

We all agree that one something is broken we need to fix it. ALL OF THE PROBLEMS START with bringing these guys here. Most go to work and live in 749 for up to 20 years without rent. Just last week a guy who is almost 50 was finally thrown out of 749. The entire 749 is full of israelis who do nothing but trouble. I say stop bringing them all both sides.

Chabad Girls Schools?
November 24, 2015 9:56 pm

Needs major overhaul in behavior of many girls and staff.

To 29
November 24, 2015 9:52 pm

I happen to learn rambam with a chavrusa daily between mincha and maariv. I mentioned this post to my chavrusa and he found this amusing. He recalls about 1970 when he was in the kevutza the Hanhala wanted to allow only 20 Bachurim from forty that wanted to come. The Rebbe reacted very strongly at the farbrengen and the hanhala got visas for the rest to come. So I ask in what context did the Rebbe supposedly say that the kevutza is ???? Maybe somebody did not understand Rabbi Krinski !!! I just hope nobody is taking the Rebbes words… Read more »

Follow up
November 24, 2015 9:11 pm

I’m #19. Didn’t realize that it was loosely worded. Only the comma shows that profiling was not the Rebbe’s horaah, but R’ Yudel’s suggestion. Many others probably misread it too. The Rebbe did indeed address a case of bochurim shlogen zich mit di hent “di yodaim yedai Eisav” and said clearly to R’ Dovid Raskin O”H on video “oder zei zoln zich nishtane zein min hakotzeh el hakotzeh oder zei zol zich uppaken un forn kein bnei brak – Either they should complete change (and stop using their hands like Eisav would or they should pack up and go to… Read more »

To 10
November 24, 2015 7:06 pm

If this is the first time you saw “Lubavtich” yeshivas disregarding what the rebbe said then you obviously are not paying attention.

Eved ne'mon
November 24, 2015 6:23 pm

Rabbi Krinsky is a true Eved ne’mon.
No wonder the Rebbe chose him back in the 1970’s and 1980’s to be a part of his holy mazkirus:
Agudas Chabad
Machne Yisrael
Merkoz
And then chose him to be the executor to his will.
He is the last surviving member chosen personally by the Rebbe to be on his boards of directors.
Yaarich yomim al mamlachtoi!

To comment 11 and more.
November 24, 2015 6:11 pm

I used to learn as a Lubavitcher in Litvish yeshivas, I am sorry but every Lubavitch yeshiva bchitzonius looks less orderly and learning focused, compared to a Litvish yeshiva. We talk more during davening and many yes many examples. Now I understand our maylos, but it took many years. I am not a Baal Tshuva, my parents have letters, dollars etc from Rebbe, also as chasidim. Please don’t underrate our homebase or our yeshivos bichlal. I also have seen extreme extreme unprovoked violence, from the 2nd opinion, the one Rabbi Krinsky, with all due respect, is not speaking against.I think… Read more »

770 needs overhauil of Gaboim- TIME FOR ELECTIONS
November 24, 2015 5:24 pm

Why is their no elections for Gaboim in 770?
Just because CHJCC has no elections even thought its past due by years. 770 should not suffer and overhaul is needed and terror must stop.
Rabbi Krinsky you should have arichas Yomim veshanim tovim
Yad of True chassidim will be on top (ol Elyoana)
We want Moshiach and the Rebbes shul back now!!!

YOSSI A
November 24, 2015 5:21 pm

#10 I AGREE with you.
Now, there are enough video clips of bullying going around.
Let the hanhala return those boys as an example.

Source
November 24, 2015 4:47 pm

Where & when did the Rebbe say this:

Similar to birthday yechidus for bochurim, the rebbe stopped it saying that its not productive.

The 2 main suspects are NOT enrolled in the yeshiva!!!
November 24, 2015 3:56 pm

The problem is not the Kvutzah. The Hanholo stated that those thugs were not even enrolled in the yeshivah. The problem is the hefkerus in 749, 1414, and yes, 770.
It is not about the bochurim coming to learn, it is about the tag-alongs. And that has always been an issue, even back in the Me”ms when i was in 1418.

for every nuisance who shouldnt have come....
November 24, 2015 3:28 pm

there are 3 serious well mannered chassidishe Israeli bachurim who have their heads down in the sefarim in 770 almost 24/7. Empty vessels make the most noise. its not fair to put them all together. of course do the screening but that doesn’t mean the serious ones shouldn’t get that chance or get a bad name coz of the others. u don’t have to go to Israel to do it, you can appoint someone who lives in Israel,

possible explanation
November 24, 2015 3:20 pm

The Rebbe founded kvutza, but later didn’t like how it was progressing. Similar to birthday yechidus for bochurim, the rebbe stopped it saying that its not productive.
if you say that it can’t be true because then hanholo would for sure stop it, your being naive. There are so many things hanholo doesn’t do according to the rebbes instructions. Take this story for example, the rebbe said in no uncertain terms not to keep a bochur who continues using hands. How about the story that made the rebbe take his name off the yeshivas leadership

Wheres the kavod for the rebbe and lubavitch?
November 24, 2015 3:00 pm

Anybody who ever opened a sefer in the rebbes torah will know that the rebbe said countless times that its osur to leave e.y with some exeptions, one of them being to learn, and the rebbe was very upset when this condition was not fulfilled. People who come to 770 to fight their holy war against everything that lubavitch stands for, from the rebbes own daled amos, definetly should not be getting visas. These pople terrorise not only those in 770 but anash and shluchim around the world

answers?
November 24, 2015 2:45 pm

Rabbi Glucowsky has copies of all the rebbe’s letters and answers regarding to not needing to have bochurim from out of town in the yeshivah/770 he shows then to ppl when they refuse to pay dues.

Ok, Here's the problem
November 24, 2015 2:41 pm

The svora to check into bochurim before may be good (the flip side is that it would inevitably exclude many decent ones and is usually a slippery slope. There’s some chaos now, which can be reigned in in other ways, but at least bochurim know that they have a place to go to. But here’s the problem. The article raised an objection of the Rebbe to bochurim coming from E”Y. I’d be very interested in seeing the note and the context. But the summary claims that the Rebbe said something which neither the Rebbe nor Krinsky said in the Rebbe’s… Read more »

To comment 11 and more.
November 24, 2015 2:31 pm

I used to learn as a Lubavitcher in Litvish yeshivas, I am sorry but every Lubavitch yeshiva bchitzonius looks less orderly and learning focused, compared to a Litvish yeshiva. We talk more during davening and many yes many examples. Now I understand our maylos, but it took many years. I am not a Baal Tshuva, my parents have letters, dollars etc from Rebbe, also as chasidim. Please don’t underrate our homebase or our yeshivos bichlal. I also have seen extreme extreme unprovoked violence, from the 2nd opinion, the one Rabbi Krinsky, with all due respect, is not speaking against.I think… Read more »

Preaching to the choir
November 24, 2015 2:19 pm

The people who needed to be there and hear weren’t. Of course, they won’t listen to anything, they are too cowardly to stop the violence.

Amazing
November 24, 2015 1:35 pm

Rabbi Krinsky is constantly harassed, spit at and verbally abused by these bochurim , but only once it happens to others does he feel compelled to speak out.
This is an amazing human being.

"Open your Eyes"
November 24, 2015 1:29 pm

Before you criticize why don’t you come downstairs yourself and see hundreds of Kvutza bocherim sitting and learning all day. Most of them end up on schlichus too, hastening the coming of Moshiach

Agree
November 24, 2015 1:05 pm

Violence is 100% unacceptable and a chilul Hashem and chilul Lubavitch.

Thank you
November 24, 2015 1:01 pm

Thank you Rabbi Krinsky for addressing issues that need to be taken care of!

Do it in your schools
November 24, 2015 12:49 pm

There are so many bullies that lurk in yeshivas and Jewish schools. I hope you keep your eyes on these monsters. Some of the worst come from frum families and Rabbis sons

very true....
November 24, 2015 12:47 pm

One day as I was standing in 770 I feel a tap on my shoulder a non chabad fellow wanted to know if this was the main chabad yeshivah….. I wasn’t quite sure how to answer being that the scene in front of us wasn’t exactly as a yeshivah should look…. I hope that whoever has the power to help the situation will put their power into action and make the Rebbe proud of the central lubavitch yeshivah.

I find it hard to believe
November 24, 2015 12:46 pm

I find it hard to believe that the Rebbe MH”M would write such a note and the Hanhala refused to listen!!
There is something missing here.

Nachman S.

Agree with 1
November 24, 2015 12:29 pm

So why did Kvutza keep taking place if the Rebbe was against it?

The fact is, that this is untrue. The Rebbe told President Shazar that he wants bochurim to be in 770 for an entire year so that they can see the hanhogo of Lubavitch the whole year round. The Rebbe himself was personally involved with arranging permits from the Israeli and American governments so that the bochurim could stay here for an entire year, no less. This is all well known and documented.

Makor?
November 24, 2015 12:25 pm

Does anyone know what letter rabbi krinsky is talking about? And seemingly we see the opposite, that the rebbe really encouraged the kevutza bochurim. Also those bochurim aren’t the main problem, its the tzfatim which don’t come as part of the kevutza necessarily, and not just for one year either…

with all do honor i disagree.
November 24, 2015 12:11 pm

and further more, this second class treatment of bochrim from isreal is one of the worst things i have ever seen.

larry
November 24, 2015 12:04 pm

good morning

Chain of command
November 24, 2015 11:59 am

The hanhalah has the ultimate authority over the bouchrim, as arranged by the Rebbe. So long as they are the ones making final decisions, they can do all the background checks they like.

Time for change
November 24, 2015 11:53 am

Thank you all who arranged this.
Lubavitch is with you!!!

Finally!
November 24, 2015 11:51 am

Why has it taken this long already? Rabbi Krinsky should please back up his words with concrete action.

Rabbi Krinsky - a TRUE Chossid
November 24, 2015 11:50 am

I am always in Awe of the humility, and humbleness of Rabbi Krinsky. He is a true, and dedicated chossid of the Rebbe.

Rabbi krinsky
November 24, 2015 11:42 am

I do not question your dedication to the Rebbe. But why are you finally coming out with this public statement now regarding kvutza bochurim? The article says one of the bochurim are related to you which makes you a negeah bedavar. Please publicize the Rebbe letter that you are referring to. so there no one can be choshed besheirm c”v.

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