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Dear Camps, Filter the Computers

Psychologist Rabbi Dr. Yosef Shagalow offers 6 important guidelines for internet usage at Chabad overnight summer camps. Full Story

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smart phons!?
July 8, 2015 9:51 pm

oy vey!

staying pure
July 8, 2015 4:47 pm

you are not the one to put on the code , let someelse, or have a code half and half so none can get on.
half and half , otr the wife , or mother
orr a proffesial like shmerias eineiyim gurads your eyes, they will do it for free.

Education? Good luck!
July 6, 2015 2:51 pm

You can be the most educated person in the world, a big Talmud Chacham, even a Tzadik like Moshe Rabenu. Tell me, unless you are a Tzadik v’Tov lo, do you really think that such a person, alone (especially at certain times) with the internet, will not be subject to temptation? All it can take is that one time he/she gets curous enough to “cheat,” then it’s like falling of the cliff! Oh, btw, if you own the computer, any filter you put on, you can also take off. So, for some people, you may have to “stoneage” your home… Read more »

dr shagalow
July 6, 2015 11:18 am

what are his tecqniues to break the habit.
so many people out there but afraid to expose tmemselves to some one ?
how can this be discreet? i think many more outn there oar ein this than just the little individual, aor young innocent bochur.

Filters can be broken
July 5, 2015 2:28 pm

I could list a number of ways in which filters can be circumvented, both router based and pc based. If you want to deal with the issues presented by Internet access do it through education. Banning things does not help.
A camp director who goes home and spends time with his wife and kids daily yet tells me I have to talk to my parents in his office when he is there is just pushing people away.

An idea
July 5, 2015 2:21 pm

Apple devices have the option to allow certain websites or block certain websites thru restrictions. Have a rebbe set the password for bochurim.

an average bochur
July 4, 2015 11:57 pm

I hate to be the one to break the news, but as a bochur who’s been away from home for 6 years in yeshivah- parents aren’t aware of what their sons get up to. “Don’t give your kids a phone,” they don’t need to be given it, they get it on their own. Even a “harmless” PSP can access everything a phone can. Fact is people will have phones, do have phones, and quite frankly need phones in certain instance. A support for this is mivtzoyim- having a phone you can take a picture and get the persons email or… Read more »

getting help
July 3, 2015 1:52 pm

Thank you Dr. Shagalow. And for any bochur or married man, who has already crossed the line and continues to look at internet sites that are inappropriate, reach out for help to people like Dr. Shagalow and many others.

TO 22: REALLY???
July 3, 2015 12:56 pm

Go ask a parent whose child has died; go ask a widow; go ask a child whose parent died…would they take them back to life if they weren’t frum?
Don’t make insensitive statements like that!
If you’re talking history, that’s one thing…but if you’re talking about kids and parents, there isn’t a living parent in the world who would agreee to have their child die if they weren’t frum!!!!

anon
July 3, 2015 11:23 am

To 23

I mean they have them at home (not bring to camp obviously) and their minds are filled with it

hashen yerachem
July 3, 2015 10:54 am

we have lost a generation to internet
offically only young bochurim, how many yungeh leit and middle aged ones have we lost to this Klolleh.
Wake up Rabbonim and help AM yisroel.
this is like Parshas Balak TODAY!! no one is immune noone

FYI
July 3, 2015 9:23 am

If u want 2 give ur child a smart phone, give them an iPhone as the restrictions on it, is impossible 2 override, (change passcode once a month, and block app store as their are Web browsers that can be downloaded from there, Ie: chrome, Google…) as for androids I have no advice, the kids will always be 5 steps ahead of the parents!

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July 3, 2015 7:22 am

I do not know of a single camp that lets campers bring phones or other devices…..
or lets campers use a camp computer….
i go to PC -staff is allowed to bring but i never see them use it . maybe a minute or two. tops

MRS PERL ARBOR
July 3, 2015 3:39 am

#18 GOOD MORNING!

#19 SIMPLE SOLUTION: THE CAMP STiPULATES iN BIG LETTERS THAT SMART PHONES/IPADS, LAPTOPS ETC WILL NOT BE PERMITTED TO BE BROUGHT INTO CAMPS. AND GUESS WHAT? MANY NON FRUM FAMILIES GET IT!!

To ho hum
July 3, 2015 12:12 am

you don’t give children guns – and spiritual death is maybe worse than physical death

ho hum
July 2, 2015 11:47 pm

precautions are nice, but misses the real job, which is a lot harder than locking smartphones. teach how to make decisions. don’t make decisions for them.

Router filter
July 2, 2015 10:47 pm

https://www.opendns.com/home-internet-security/parental-controls/opendns-home/
Open DNS filtering does require some know how to setup, but nothing too difficult. This is not by all means an all encompassing solution, but way better than nothing.

To # 17
July 2, 2015 10:16 pm

yes you are right! but guess what? the camps are filled with kids whose own parents have given them ipads and iphones as gifts!!! and those kids are passing on the filth that’s in their hands to pure and innocent children (and their parents have no clue…)

??????????????
July 2, 2015 9:56 pm

why in world do Bochurim have smart phones to begin with? unfiltered internet is thausands of times worse than T.V.!!! no one can deny that!

Go Rabbi Mockin
July 2, 2015 9:24 pm

This brings out how CGI Montreal got it right – no cell phone service in camp at all! There are camp phones and a staff computer in the office, but other than that – just a kosher, Chasidishe summer!

its all over the schools too
July 2, 2015 7:50 pm

At the beginning of the year we get a beautiful sicha from the Rebbe about avoiding television. Yet students in 7th grade and maybe younger are bringing smart phones. The parents think that the children don’t have internet access but they figure out how to connect from different places download filth and show it to their friends. So you could have a very fine family with beautiful chinuch but because our schools are not enforcing their own rules our children Chas v Sholom could suffer. We all want our children to be safe and healthy. This goes way beyond frumkeit.… Read more »

and here is my question. ...
July 2, 2015 7:33 pm

Could never ever understand why smart parents even allows their children smart phones to begin with. Why in heaven’s name do we want our children young and old alike, to have complete internet access at all times. Can’t seem to wrap my brain around that one!!!

Listen to Rabbi Dr. Shagalow
July 2, 2015 6:39 pm

He is in the fore front of working with so many bochurim and members of anash who struggle with this nisayon and this epidemic. He is practical and realistic about this issue. He changed my life!

here in Israel in sleep away camps
July 2, 2015 5:12 pm

no one – not any one of the counselors, not any one of the campers and not any one of the workers – has access to internet for the whole 3 weeks! If anyone is caught with a device it is confiscated. Each child and his parents too signs a form that he is not bringing anything with media. With all the singing camp songs, all the trips, all the studying, all the football, basket ball and swimming, all the night time barbeques, all the studying, all the competitions, all the arts and crafts, all the tuck shop, all the… Read more »

Alfred E Newman
July 2, 2015 5:09 pm

G-T IN HIMMEL, THIS SIMPLY BEGGARS BELIEF. WE PARENTS TOOK IT FOR GRANTED COMPUTERS AND SMART PHONES WERE BANNED FROM CAMO PREMISES
WHAT THE CAMPS NEED TO DO IS HIRE MASHPIEM TO ACT AS INTERNET POLICE.

head counslors
July 2, 2015 4:27 pm

the head counslors are human beings not any less a sakana poshut kpshutoa as a young child…. I t is imperative that it be filterd before anyone steps foot into the camp.even before anyone sits down next to a computer.it is as important as eating kosher. would you kasher your kitchen the first day of camp or weeks bsefore??? WAKE up, this is an epidemic , touching and affecting ou rpurest and finest !!!! ad Mosai , stop talking about other chassidim , it is HERE , in our midst . it is asomething that should be ASIFOIS about ,… Read more »

chassidisher buchurim
July 2, 2015 4:07 pm

Chassidish buchurim should not trust themselfs with internet the rambam writes it hilchos isurei biah how even big chachomim told their students to watch out for them

MRS PERL ARBOR
July 2, 2015 3:52 pm

THEY HAVE TO BE TOLD TO FILTER THE COMPUTERS?
ARE YOU KIDDING ME!
WHAT ON EARTH IS A CHABAD CAMP GIVING UNFETTERED ACCESS TO UNFILTERED COMPUTERS, WHAT KIND OF CRASS STUPIDITY IS THAT?

AND WHAT ABOUT THE I PHONES THEY UNDOUBTEDLY WILL ALL BE CARRYING AROUND WITH THEM FOR ALL THE CAMPERS TO SEE.

PHONES AND COMPUTERS SHOULD ANYWAY BE BANNED FROM CAMPS OR CONFIMED TO A SINGLE ROOM UNDER LOCK AND KEY WITH ACCESS ONLY VIA THE DIRECTOR AND UNDER SUPERVISION.

New speak
July 2, 2015 3:50 pm

If the Supreme Court rules that 2 + 2 = 5, is such an enactment
binding on us as the “Law of the land?”

Very Right
July 2, 2015 3:48 pm

This simple but to the point article should be sent to every head of camp.
Thank you so much!

Insane!
July 2, 2015 3:23 pm

What overnight camp lets the CAMPERS use the computers??
Staff members should for sure be monitored.
Any camp that lets kids use their iPods and iPads openly are really messing the kids up.

Very Right
July 2, 2015 3:12 pm

This simple but to the point article should be sent to every head of camp.
Thank you so much!

DR Shagalow
July 2, 2015 3:05 pm

Rabbi _Dr Shagalow has an honest and straightforward approach that I highly appreciate.
We are lucky to have a person like him.
He is Chabad frum and knows what he’s talking about!

Just a reminder
July 2, 2015 2:49 pm

This warning has been urged upon us for years. Depending on the person, a filter may be enough for one person; total avoidance of the computer for another. Anyway, another area of concern, which, not surprisingly, the Collive.com website did not bring up as a topic. This was the Supreme Court immoral law decision. Oh, btw, when Rosa Parks (the African lady, who, in 1955, refused to give up her seat to a white, on an Alabama bus) broke the immmoral law, she was hailed as a hero, for breaking such a “law.” So, anyone who breaks any law supporting… Read more »

so true
July 2, 2015 2:44 pm

please please this is more important or as important AS IMPORTANT AS A LIFEGUARD!!!!!.
from a counslor himself.
lets not loose one more neshama!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good Gezugt
July 2, 2015 2:31 pm

echo , Have a wonderful, lebedik, chassidish and kosher summer. 🙂

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