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Vaad Hakohol Under Dispute

Exclusive: Yanky Sufrin and Yisroel Best, both claiming chairmanship of the Crown Heights N'tzigim delegates, are in dispute over when to hold elections for the Jewish Community Council and Gabboim for 770. Each are separately backed by a Bais Din member: Rabbi Avraham Osdoba or Rabbi Yaakov Schwei. Full Story

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"chabadnik"
May 24, 2009 8:50 am

three hurays for poltorack. eli . he allway finda a way
to insert himself into every isuue and make life interesting for us.
although he is fresh out of school and inexperienced
he found a way to hide behind the skirt of a real attornet
ed rudoffsky, and file legal papers in the case. thus making himself “important”

No Backbone
May 7, 2009 2:42 pm

Why are the Rabbonim’s letters about elections dated more than a year ago?

A Rav with a backbone should issue a psak din to the community, today rather than “leak” a private document written to yechidim more than a year ago.

His “psak din” is not binding on the community since it’s not addressed to the community. It’s addressed and affects only a handful of disputed netzigim.

to 68
May 7, 2009 7:22 am

make a junta or troika

And what does Rabbi Schwei say?
May 7, 2009 6:05 am

Rabbi Schwei wrote a reply letter to the letter publish here, form Rabbi Osdoba.

In the name of fairness, it’s only right that we hear both sides of every story.

Rabbi Schwei REPLY letter, can be seen here:

https://collive.com/files/0.80402340234_118305.pdf

TO 64! AND 63!
May 6, 2009 4:16 pm

ARE YOU CRACKED IN YOUR BRAIN?!
NO MATTER IF YOU ARE MISHACHIST,TZVATI,ELOKIST OR ANTI YOU DO NOT APOINT A NEW REBE! AND IF GOD FORBID WE WOULD WHO WOULD IT BE?! RABBI KOTLASKY,RABBI KRINSKY OR RABBI SHEMTOV?!!!!!

to 66
May 6, 2009 12:43 pm

should the Rebbe apologize too?
maybe Rabbi Morlow also?

yup, your the ONLY smart one, you and Fisher!
Enjoy the company!

by the way, i herd Fisher is looking for investors, maybe your interested?

HELLO
May 6, 2009 7:41 am

The Vaad Hakoal and the Rabbonim of Crown Heights will continue to have machlokes until they apologize to Dovid Fischer and his family for what they did to them. Maybe Osdoba and all the other hacks should think about their previous actions.
I have no respect for any of them. I feel sorry for the people of Crown Heights that they are left with such idiots to run the community.

to 56
May 6, 2009 3:08 am

Im here since 1972 and and voted in ebery single eleccion beside the false one. looks like you do not have what to answer so it easier to say there is no point to answer etc. Regarding Rabbi Osdobas hachtore as a Rav I don’t see the big deal that he had a separate one he was away at his sons wedding in the contrary it may be seen as not so bekovedik that they didnt wait for him. regarding abir shebeabirim is not a chidush from the rebbe its a gemore and applys to every ‘parnes al hatzibur’ but… Read more »

Appoint a new Rebbe!
May 6, 2009 2:51 am

Thta will solve all the problems

Yossi Jacobson
May 6, 2009 2:24 am

should be new Rabbi

Beis Shmuel should take over the crazies in 770

really stupid
May 5, 2009 3:00 pm

why does there always have to be fights?!
why cant we alljust unite and be friends?!

yes
May 5, 2009 2:07 pm

u ppl r all crazy!!!

no new news under the sun
May 5, 2009 1:15 pm
ch
May 5, 2009 11:42 am

only best can save us now

the real mans best man
May 5, 2009 11:41 am

Rabbi Best is the real MAN!!!

to 55
May 5, 2009 10:38 am

you right he is not against the elections he is against the people running bcs they not his ppl so therefore he has no other chance then stoping it.

to 52
May 5, 2009 10:35 am

You seem to have been born after Gimmel Tammuz (literally or as far as mushrooming to politics and a desire to leadership). Your misrepresentation of facts show your lack of knowledge. So there is no point in regurgetating facts that you will continue to deny. I have been there from day one and I witnessed every fact as presented in #49. As far as which Rav did what, is not mine or your concern. A Rav has the right to do what he does (even if you think he’s wrong according to your knowledge of Halacha), and you have no… Read more »

rabbi Osdoba
May 5, 2009 9:16 am

Rabbi Osdoba is not against the ELECTIONS

to 48
May 5, 2009 7:57 am

No one is capable to see something that was never there so pls let every one see once for all the Rebbes answer.

Regarding Harav Chodakov pls go to kolel and ask Rabbi Heller what ever happened then. Rabbi Chodakov spoke to him. You have the facts wrong.

tp 52
May 5, 2009 7:51 am

thank you!

to 49
May 5, 2009 6:57 am

You write: Short and sweet: RAV MARLOW Z”L DIDN’T ALLOW ELECTIONS FOR GABAYIM AND VAAD HAKOHOL FOR 9 YEARS AND THE REBBE NEVER ASKED FOR NEW ELECTIONS! ========= Your facts are wrong Rabbi Marlow did not mixed in. the elected gabboyim dicided to step down after they served for a very short time. After few years Rabbi Marlow told them to take their position back for 3 years and then elections were conducted. You write: Before Gimmel Tammuz there was only one election in 1986 and only after Gimmel Tammuz, 8/9 years later were elections forced on the community by… Read more »

To 50
May 5, 2009 6:30 am

The purpose of this vote is:

1) Weather Rav Osdoba will remain in his office together with Rav Segal, Rav Zirkind and Rav Reitport. Or if they will be physically thrown out from their offices and Rav Schjwei and Rav Kraus, Rav Sandhaus & Rav Herzog will take over.

2) Will any of the Rabbonim (including Rav Schwei) continue to get paid at all.

Getting programs and help for the community, is the last thing on anybodies mind.

Welcome to the real elections.

Are we voting for rabonim or for a Vaad Hakohol
May 5, 2009 4:23 am

Are we voting for rabonim or for a Vaad Hakohol that will function in getting our fare share from Govt programs and etc…

To 40
May 5, 2009 3:53 am

You ask not to confuse people with the facts. But you are a little confused about the facts yourself. Short and sweet: RAV MARLOW Z”L DIDN’T ALLOW ELECTIONS FOR GABAYIM AND VAAD HAKOHOL FOR 9 YEARS AND THE REBBE NEVER ASKED FOR NEW ELECTIONS! Before Gimmel Tammuz there was only one election in 1986 and only after Gimmel Tammuz, 8/9 years later were elections forced on the community by court order! The difference? Then Paltiel and Shpielman were in. Now Paltiel, Shpielman & company are on the out. That’s why then it was ok that Rav Marlow stopped the elections… Read more »

To 42
May 5, 2009 3:47 am

You never saw a Copy of the Rebbe’s handwritting about Gaboyim? You never saw the booklet wher it was printed all conversations between Rav Chodokov and rabbi Paltiel (of the Vaad Hakoel at that time) AGAINST the elections of Gaboyim in 770?! That is why after 2 weeks they were dismissied. It seems that some people have NO IDEA about this!!

Elections
May 5, 2009 2:08 am

THE BOTTOM LINE IS: ELECTIONS ARE DUE AND THE REST ARE ONLY EXCUSES

Number 13
May 5, 2009 2:05 am

Never a true word said. COL has in the past shown a baised angle of another report too. In short, don’t belive everything you read from the media.

let them kill each other
May 5, 2009 1:32 am

As long as these lunatics are allowed to run 770 we will still have terrorism from the Tsfatim to the elections.

GET RID OF LIPSKER ETC. Get Rabbi Schwei to stop dividing CH in two.

I’m far from a Rabbi Osdoba supporter, but I want to know why these two egotists can’t get along. If the BD can’t agree on anything, what hope is there for the rest of the community having achdus?

But as long as we scream Yechi all will be well. NOT.

START AGAIN
May 5, 2009 12:33 am

There is too much water under the bridge. When it has reached this level, there is no other choice but to start all over again. We need new Rabbonim and new community representatives who will have the respect of the entire community. Only then will our community begin to look like a Lubavitch community which can make the Rebbe proud!

SUFRIN
May 4, 2009 11:02 pm

SUFRIN, “You bet we is sfufrin”.

to 16
May 4, 2009 5:27 pm

kol zman you dont bring proof that the rebbe was against you can’t and you shouldn’t talk. there is ad hayom haze no tzetl no siche etc that can proof it. on the contrary we were all witnesses that it was an election and the Rebbe did not stop it besides the azkir al hatziyun when they wrote that elections for gaboyim of 770 will take place. dont say thing in the Rebbes name with out proof you playing with fire.

Rav
May 4, 2009 5:21 pm

Rashi in chumesh brings a gemoro that says that a Dayan that you have to call to a din torah in order to collect from him claimed monies and the psak is that the Rov has to pay even he does listen to the psak he can’t seat for the rest of his life as a dayan. Kal vochomer for a Rov that agrees to listen to the psak of a bais din and not liking the outcome he decides to take the dispute to erkos shel hakum kal vochomer that he can’t be a Rov for the rest of… Read more »

to 36 you are WAY OFF
May 4, 2009 5:15 pm

you are dead wrong! Rabbi Shwai HAS the HALACHIC right to appose adding someone to the Bais Din (there are many halachos on adding a member to a bais din, one of them bieng that EVERY member has to agree!). whereas Rabbi Asdobo has NO right Halachicly to oppose election for the VAAD! as the Rebbe (yes Rebbe) wrote to the Rebbonim (there is a Ksav Yad) that because the Rabbonim are only “Memale Mokom” from R’ Z.S. dworkin, therefor they can not take more power then he had, and he never mixed in to the VAAD! that is what… Read more »

HaRav Heller
May 4, 2009 4:15 pm

I think instead of your site writing against Rav Schwei (who was elected by Anash), you should interview him (if he will agree to an interview). I think that one of the problems that Rav Shwei had with Moshe Rubashkin was the mixed seating at the Purim seuda. The problem with the bais din is that there were supposed to be three Rabbanim on the bais Din and there had only been two active ones. Rav Heller was elected as a member of the bais din but was publicly inactive. He should have probably given permission to have an election… Read more »

To Mr. "Kollel for Life"
May 4, 2009 4:07 pm

Why dont you try your tactics on you brothers in Ponovitch???
Doesn’t seem like “limud hatora” brought much shalom there!!!

Schwei not a Messianc?!
May 4, 2009 4:02 pm

Are you kidding? He gave a haskama to the idiotic book “Shaliita”.

Rebbe?
May 4, 2009 4:02 pm

I love how everybody uses the Rebbe when it suites them. The Rebbe asked for elections and we had elections in 1986. Shpielman & Paltiel were in, then there were no more elections for 9 years! The Rebbe said nothing about any elections. The key was in Rav Marlow Z”L’s hands and he stopped any attempt to have elections for whatever reason. It took a court order in the end of 1994 to force elections against the wishes of the Rav. So stop this nonsense of falsely claiming that the Rebbe demanded elections every 3 years. Never happened! There was… Read more »

To #20
May 4, 2009 3:51 pm

From your comment – it seems that you were just born (and have NO IDEA about this)!
Welcome to Lubavitch.

to number 30
May 4, 2009 3:44 pm

u have some nerve to make jokes like that…chutzpah!!!!! ppl like u dont belong in CH

Bochur in BMG
May 4, 2009 3:42 pm

STOP the Loshon Harah!!! It is bad. Bad for each one of you. Don’t you people know ANYTHING? This is ALL loshon hara. It is all TREIF. Stop!!

Loshon hora is a spiral that draws you deeper into the blackness of hopeless dispair.

Torah Yid
May 4, 2009 3:36 pm

It is high time that Crown Heights imported real Yeshivish Rabbonim. There simply is an improveshment of Torah requiring outside assistance. If it must be chassidishe Rabbonim, chose from Mochom l’Horaha (Monsey), but ideally, Litvish Rabbonim is the way to go. (I heard the Bal HaTanya was called “The Litvak”). The current state of affairs invites the youth to have rifyon attacks, placing them R”L at risk. It encourages the women to disrobe from the traditions of modesty. The lack of sholom on the streets penetrates the sholom bayis of the individual home. Cease from speaking Loshon Hara!!!! That is… Read more »

false reporting
May 4, 2009 3:31 pm

No one is talking about delaying the elections. Lets call a spade a spade. They dont want any elections, they just want to preserve their own power. Why is making an election a machloikes? where does this distorted logic come from? There were always elections in this Community. The Rebbe clearly fought for elections and clearly told the Rabonim to but out! For all your information out there, Best and his group reached out to the other side and offered them to join in the process and put up whoever they want. they refused, because they want the status quo… Read more »

schwei
May 4, 2009 3:27 pm

rabbi scwei should move to mumbei.

mesira
May 4, 2009 3:23 pm

The article quotes a member of the coalition saying there will be a court order to stop it. Who will give them a heter to go to court? Will it come from rabbiOzdoba who gave a heter to maser on ezagui? The same rabbi Ozdoba who encouraged his son to go to court against a psak din from the same Beis Din that he brought his din torah to. Doesnt he have any shame?

Who needs elections?
May 4, 2009 3:15 pm

We had elections for Vaad hakohol 4 years ago. R’ Schwei fired 3 of the elected members (Rubashkin, Lang & Plotkin) because they didn’t tow the line. To his chagrin they had the majority & the backing of the JCRC so it didn’t work. But as far as he & his people were concerned they were illegit. We had elections for gabayim 4 years ago, R’ Schwei didn’t like that Gerlitzky didn’t tow the line, so he fired him. We had elections for Rabanim 3 years ago. R’ Schwei fired them and put a N. on them. And when called… Read more »

I don't get this... isn't R' ZEV KATZ the Gabaai?!?!
May 4, 2009 3:13 pm
Yom Ho-achdus
May 4, 2009 3:12 pm

Behashgacha Pratis the date of the elections was set for Rosh Chodesh Sivan — a day that the Rebbe singles out as a day of Ish Echad Belev Echad. Let us hope that, whatever our opinions, the debate should be conducted without personal attacks and only based on ideas and a true desire to know what is correct al pi torah , as the Rebbe explains it to us.

moshe lehr
May 4, 2009 3:00 pm

another young professional, i heard he was running..

Kollel for Life
May 4, 2009 2:40 pm

Obviousley the root of the problem is lack of Torah study. Here in Lakewood we have many Rabbonim, but we are all machshiv limud haTorah and that brings shalom in our midst. Come visit Ir Hakodesh for a day or two and breathe the air of Torah. it will clear your heads and make you realize the emes. Some of you may want to move here permenantly. to them, a bruchim ha’bo’im. But when you return, you will bring the aura of shalom back to Crown Heights with a heightened respect for Tora v’Lomdeha.

Some interesting names
May 4, 2009 2:26 pm

There are some names worth looking at, most intriguingly Zaki (Yitzchak) Tamir, A young professional guy.

concerned resident
May 4, 2009 2:24 pm

There will only be Machlokes from an election that is opposed by many. whoever is part of such an election is part of the Machlokes.
Everyone agrees that there are 2 sides. Those who legitimise this elections and those who don’t.
Obviously, this election will not be accepted by many resulting im more Machlokes. Let everyone ask themselves honestly: Does the Rebbe (who wants Sholom in this neiborhood more than anything) want such an election??

Best is a fraud
May 4, 2009 1:48 pm

How can he by in netzgim when he does not represent a shul?!

The one on Crown st closed down and the one he opened is an evicted basement cease to exist

To 16
May 4, 2009 1:27 pm

Never happened!!!

to : friedfertig
May 4, 2009 1:14 pm

thank you

to Mr. 2 and 4
May 4, 2009 1:04 pm

Please, don’t mix in yechi and moshiach. Yechi is a wish and a hope – agree or disagree with it This whole fighting has nothing to do with it. Rav Schwei is no meshichist as Rav Osdoba is no anti All this is pure politics and has nothing to do with Hashem, Torah, Rebbe, Chabad or chasidus. The Rebbe cares so much about Crown Heights and all the residents have done was to undermine him and embarrass Lubavitch (if they ever cared about the Rebbe they would have been on Shlichus or doing the Rebbe’s work or doing something useful… Read more »

Bottom line
May 4, 2009 1:01 pm

There will be a stale mate for a very long time.

The Rebbe
May 4, 2009 12:46 pm

The Rebbe FORBID elections for Gaboim in 770 – let us not forget that! Just because it’s after Gimmul Taamuz – it doesn’t mean that the world is Hefker!!

There's no contemporary letter from Babbo Osdobo!!!
May 4, 2009 12:24 pm

Why does a letter he wrote last year apply now???
And why did sufrin not sign his letter??? Doesn’t that qualify as a Pashkvil???

the Rebbe and the bylaws back elections!
May 4, 2009 12:17 pm

1) the Rebbe said that the Rabbinim should not mix in, (there is a Ksav Yad on one of the letters)!

2) the bylaws say there must be elections every three years!

it seems to me that the sufrin group are dictators that don’t want to give up power.

biased report
May 4, 2009 12:01 pm

the reporting in this article so biasedaly one-sided. It bobviously oppses the elections and makes this democratic activity sound ‘messianic’. Mesianic or not, it is time that this community be runned by a council and not hijacked by one family. The state of our community today is quite sad. Perhaps a new election will make a difference.

bylaws
May 4, 2009 11:47 am

Bylaws cannot go against Halacha. You can write 100 times in the bylaws that disputes should be resolve by the Bais Din but if the Rabbonim are nogea bedovor they are forbiden to deal with it and they cannot rule on it. The all issue here is not the elections for Vaad the question here is: the new elected officials will they be on this side or in the other? Therefore this issue cannot be brought in front of any of the Rabbis. The Rabbis have to disqualify themselves from resolving any dispute regarding the elections, this is a the… Read more »

can't wait
May 4, 2009 11:47 am

can’t wait till i get married and go live down south in florida and not here this junk any more

Some one is listening to Bais Din!!!
May 4, 2009 11:42 am

At least Suffrein is listening to Bias Din Of Crown Hights which we all eat there Hashgocha in Milk and Meat and other important community functions like our Mikvah ECT. When will this Community wake up and say enough to all these Bali machlikies who are going against our Rebbe’s Bais Din??? How dear you best shame on you.

Throw them ALL out!
May 4, 2009 11:36 am

New rabbonim!

old
May 4, 2009 11:35 am

There should be a rule you can not run if you are over 50 and if you have a white beard

ch resident
May 4, 2009 11:34 am

WOW LOOK AT THE LIST OF PEOPLE RUNNING FOR ELECTIONS. NOT 1 NORMAL PERSON, WHERE ARE ALL THE NORMAL PEOPLE? WE NEED YOUNG FRESH BLOOD!!

yes
May 4, 2009 11:32 am

yanky sufrin is the man

Yanki Sufrin
May 4, 2009 11:00 am

We are all with you bro. Keep it up

A member of N’tzigim

to #2
May 4, 2009 10:57 am

There are 2 netzigim.
Best writes Yechi
Sufrin does not

There are 2 Bais Din:
Schwei does Yechi
Osdoba does not

Soon there will be 2 Vaad Hakahal:
One that says yechi and one that does not

oh my...
May 4, 2009 10:49 am

This is totally insane – why don’t these people think how much sorrow the Rebbe would of had from such a schuna?!

We need to wake up and put this nonsense behind us asap

what's with the Yechi
May 4, 2009 10:44 am

it appears, disappears, then ultimately shows up in a different font… seems like this follows our community’s pattern of integrity (or lack of it) — hard to to discern and define…

what use are the signatures of non-elected (of any sort) community members on a so-called (high-horse riding,) non-partisan letter aimed at swaying public opinion?

then again, maybe they’re endorsing the Yechi?

or perhaps the Yechi font?

what’s most heartwarming is that Itchke’s Shtiebel is breaking from it’s sister shuls (the other community chaos refuges that have sprung up in recent years) … independence is always nice…

ch resident
May 4, 2009 10:35 am

why cannot the 2 rabbis agree ?

we should have elections to upgrade them to useless or maybe make the 2 rabbis so great that have no say in community like the president in israel and let us get new rabbonim that can wok with each other

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