Aug 7, 2014
My Son Still Has No Yeshiva
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From the COLlive inbox: Yeshiva starts in two weeks, and as of this writing, our son has not been accepted in any Yeshiva.

Dear COLlive,

While surfing the web to hopefully find an as of yet undiscovered yeshiva that just might be what we’re looking for for our son, my husband came across an article posted on COLlive in August 2012.

Titled "Yeshiva Began, My Son is Home", the writer laments the fact that the Yeshiva zman had started the day before, but her son was still sitting at home, not having been accepted to any Yeshiva.

Her son is "not a lamdan, he's just an ordinary guy who's worked extraordinarily hard to get where he's got."

"Don't even try to make him suffer the 'system', send him to high-school where they have the infrastructure for a child who needs some support, where they have the funding and the expertise," the mother was told by different Yeshivas when they tried to register him.

But he wouldn't hear of it. "I want to be in yeshiva where chassidishe boys should be, that's all I want, to be a child of the Rebbe, is that too hard for them to understand?"

We could have written that article ourselves, as we are currently in the same predicament with our 15 year old son.

Granted that there are some similarities and differences in our children, we are wondering. Which yeshiva DID accept your son?

As stated in the article two years ago, did you discover "some way we could help our children to be Tmimim and part of a regular yeshiva system even if they need a little support? Is there some way we could provide chassidishkeit that is accessible to all?"

So, to the mother of the original article, I'd like to ask: Where is he now and what is he doing?

We’d be grateful to know what happened with your son, because as of this writing, we still do not have an acceptance letter from any yeshiva for ours. Also, I'd love to know: Are there still other parents in this predicament?

Do you have a son (age 14-17) who needs something other than the traditional yeshiva?

The purpose of this writing is to discover that.

If you are in need of a chasidishe yeshiva that would offer a variety of subjects, in an environment that would be motivating, nurturing and encouraging, please send your name and phone number to yeshivanow@gmail.com. Include your son’s grade for the coming school year and age.

Maybe, just maybe, together we can come up with a solution and be m’achanech our children “al pi darko” in its truest sense.

Signed, a mother



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Opinions and Comments
1
Better to learn skills
Many boys successfully go through the system, never had a problem with learning, but then they finish the system and then what? They are not prepared for life in the least bit. They have no skills. They get married and have no way of supporting a family. Why not send your son to a school where at least he will come out with a high school diploma?
(8/7/2014 11:25:41 AM)
2
Awesome website
Chabadyeshivas.info is the place to find a yeshiva that's right
(8/7/2014 11:30:11 AM)
3
We understand
If you can find a place for your son to live, Rabbi Gershon Zirkind in Montreal has just the Yeshiva that you are looking for.
(8/7/2014 11:30:47 AM)
4
Wow!
Good for you! I wish you the best of luck
(8/7/2014 11:35:08 AM)
5
have you tried the yeshiva in buffalo?
you sound like a great mother.
(8/7/2014 11:37:48 AM)
6
The New Frontier!
Opportunity knocks for young people seeking Shlichus! BH our school-age population is growing every year, and there are not enough Mosdos Chinuch to enroll them. Currently, camps fill up within days of opening registration. Parents in CH enroll their children in school before age one. Yeshivas and Seminaries? Almost impossible to get in!
Here is a call for idealistic and ambitious young couples to open new and innovative schools and camps for the future Chabad generation!
(8/7/2014 11:37:56 AM)
7
Thanks
Thanks so much for this article,
It's such a need in our communities
A yeshiva that can cater for these type of boys who don't want to go to a place where 'fry' kids go, and considered one of them just because they can't wrap their head around the learning the way average Yeshivas run.
We need a place that our special talented boys can grow in Chassidishkeit while enjoying it and being able to express themselves/their talents.
(8/7/2014 11:41:08 AM)
8
Quick Question
Anyone knows when OT Mesivta starts?
(8/7/2014 11:45:13 AM)
9
to # 6
Bravo.
That is the real and effective solution for all sides
Creating a win win situation for all.
(8/7/2014 12:03:35 PM)
10
I used to run a yeshiva
although this is a comment to a comment, and not a comment to the article: sadly, in Lubavitch there is no focus on funding yeshivos. Yeshivos are not glamorous or glorious, and people want their money to go to "big" things.

You cant run a yeshiva on tuition alone, and nobody wants to give money to yeshiva.
(8/7/2014 12:14:18 PM)
11
I'd Like To Talk
Please email me at zeighdee@gmail.com to talk about this subject. I do not want to publicly. Anything we discuss will be in strict confidence.
(8/7/2014 12:23:07 PM)
12
day learning seder - night high school option?
My son is registered to attend a new evening diploma school in the shechuna. noarhighschool.com it's for the hs diploma only; doesn't have the learning component. lots of luck.
(8/7/2014 12:23:28 PM)
13
confusing
you seem to want them to be in mainstream yeshiva yet you are talking about not having a traditional one. what gives??
anyways did you try chovivie torah? like the pic says
(8/7/2014 12:31:17 PM)
14
HaMesivta was Impressive
One of our sons, considered a "Chasidishe Bochur" by all who know him, also did not fit the learning part of the mold. We looked closely at HaMesivta and sent him there. They do a good job at catering to such bochrim.
(8/7/2014 12:32:36 PM)
15
postville
postville sounds like a great option for your son its not the traditional yeshiva but has chassidishes staff and be a great place to learn
(8/7/2014 12:42:08 PM)
16
there are definitely
ppl gonig thru what u are. my nephew sounds like ur son- unable to attend the regular yeshivas but still wants to learn, and go somewhere ''chasidish'' but he cant find a place like that for him! his parents are at their wits end with worry. Maybe together we can all come up with a solution.
(8/7/2014 12:54:39 PM)
17
Israel
Tzeirei Hashluchim in Tzefas is a great traditional Lubavitshe yeshiva. Though the focus is on chassidishkeit and quality and not quantity if your not at it. They have a sports/playground and often organize outings for the whole yeshiva incl. staff.
(8/7/2014 1:12:01 PM)
18
Send him to Rabbi Munitz
Buffalo is the place to go. They will except him with wormth and love!

MMA Alum...
(8/7/2014 1:16:10 PM)
19
Confused
Your son wants a chassidish Yeshivah and wants to learn. You are describing a principal's dream. There are many yeshivas who are always looking for students as that is there reason for existence. Try to be honest for your sons sake and address the real problems that he has.
(8/7/2014 2:06:56 PM)
20
wait a second!...
hold up! before we start disscussing what every nebach case can do. lets just adress a small problem that hjas been going around perhaps causing alot of the nebach cases. in todays world (as apposed to the shtetle or even 30 years ago) there has been a drastic change. that change is called distraction. with all the tv, sports, movies, phones, music, ipods, ipads, ithis, ithat. there are so many disrtactoions,. parents who allow there kids to have these things from a young age will eventuallly suffer the concequences. THERE KIDS WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SIT DOWN AND LEARN!! they have not been given the ability to learn and use there head from a very young age! there's always something flashing infront of them they can never sit down properly and wrap their heads in something intelegent. Why dont you first start raising your kids as proper Jewish kids should be raised and as the Rebbe wants them to be raised (to the extant that they dont know what baseball is)?! You yourselves are the fault for nebach casses. dont call your kid "special needs" and "lfi darko". thats not the problem, try taking away that flashing shtus from infront of his eyes! and how many times did the rebbe say that tznius is the cause of tzar gidul bonim?! how long is your skirt (and for men pants)? does your sheitle come cover your entire hair? (dont forget about kimchis who didnt let her house see her hair and she had & kohanim gedoilim - not nebach casses that cant learn a gemara)
(8/7/2014 2:09:06 PM)
21
Anyone know
when yoec mesivtah starts?
(8/7/2014 2:24:32 PM)
22
Alternative option
Here's an alternative solution. Find a few families in a similar situation, and hire a couple of ex-bochurim / newlyweds to homeschool the boys for hebrew studies, and use filler time to get secular GED. (Works fine for girls too, can separate boys and girls while still using the same teachers.)

My experience in yeshiva was an experience of suicidal depression. The yeshiva heads cherry-pick students primarily based on yichus first, and family wealth second. Even if you get an acceptance letter (personal bribes help tons if you have the nerve), your son will get the last pick for chavrusahs and dorm arrangements. Plus, the big yeshivas charge outrageous knusim (monetary fines) for the simplest errors or outbursts, and that has a major impact on any normal teenager. Most big families can't afford yeshivas, but the ones with yichus always get the scholarships.

The Rebbe would be ashamed of yeshivas today. Yeshivas and seminaries are not what they used to be. Better to bite the bullet and go independent. You'll find a lot of families in the same boat, I promise. AND... you'll find a lot of very well qualified young men and women looking for any teaching job they can find. Think of opening your own institution as an act of Chesed towards the whole community, and the Rebbe's brochos will surely be upon you.
(8/7/2014 2:44:57 PM)
23
response to #1 and #20
#1 -I am sorry to have to tell you, but a high school diploma is essentially useless. When your son (or daughter) marries, he could take a course lasting 4-20 weeks in many different fields (from computers to plumbing and everything in between) and earn a parnossa. Even a college diploma is useless and is only used by companies as a proxy for questions that they are not allowed by law to ask - responsibility, ability to finish a task, etc.

#20 You are a heartless excuse for a human being, so your message will not be heard. You have brought up some important points, but prefaced and followed them with evil comments. As you mention the Rebbe in your comments, i advise you to try and incorporate at least 1% of the Rebbe's ahavas yisroel into your future comments.
(8/7/2014 2:47:19 PM)
24
Chovevei is the Best!!!
The Menahel Rabbi Blau, has so much patience and give so much attention to every bochur there. I was a bochur there a few years ago, and it was the best yeshiva year of my life.
(8/7/2014 2:48:24 PM)
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To #20
Your comment is rude and disgusting!!! Do you know who the origional poster is? Do you know if they have tv, other electronics, how long their sheital is, what the level of tznius is? And not knowing what baseball is? What's that about. Even the best learners need to burn off steam. Little kids can't sit in chairs all day. What is wrong with you? I feel sorry for your children if one of them ever has "special needs"
(8/7/2014 2:51:44 PM)
26
london
send him to london mesivta
(8/7/2014 3:40:57 PM)
27
#20
I have a question regarding Kimchis hair covering, I try so hard to follow her example but find it impossible with todays' tichels. They just don't cover my hair properly and I've tried so many different ones with different hair lengths but any way I try I have some hairs sticking out after a few mins. I wear glasses too so find this leaves small openings on the side of my tiechel (my glasses don't stay on when I try to put them on top). I have considered wearing a shietle full time in the house but it just isn't possible with work etc.
Do any of the women reading this have the same trouble? Any ideas?
(8/7/2014 3:46:04 PM)
28
try queens
There are two yeshiva s in queens, very similar, bith with dedicated staff and chasdidishe bochurim. Only with one fractional difference in approach that may guide you to choose one over the other.
Good luck,
(8/7/2014 4:00:39 PM)
29
To #20
You sound extremely judgmental. Maybe the parents are amazing, chassidishe parents and do all the right things, but their son just has a difficult time with learning. Why would that seem so strange to you?

To The Mother:
All I can say is don't lose hope. My brother, who is now an AMAZING chassidishe bochur (the "best of the best" as people call him) also had trouble in the beginning. He just couldn't seem to understand anything he was learning and it was frustrating for both him and my parents. But, after lots (LOTS!!) of practice (learning a little every night with my father, on shabbosim, etc...), he became who he is today.

As a side note, I do agree that there should be some sort of "alternative" yeshiva that is strictly meant for chassidishe bochurim. It seems to me that all the alternatives are for the more "chilled" boys. But where does that leave the ones who are truly dedicated to their chassidishkeit??

(8/7/2014 4:09:30 PM)
30
South Africa yeshiva gedolah the right place for what you are describing
Knowing rabbi Wagner for some time now and knowing the yeshiva of what he is striving for the next years , the situation you describe your son is exactly what the yeshiva is looking to care for bachurim which are ready to work in a chasidishe envierment , the yeshiva is small and therefor very good as for the bachurim can get there attention on a very high learning level and a lot more , I hope this info. will reach all the right people looking for a right yeshiva for there son.
( not sure what age the yeshiva is for as of now)
Kol tuv, from a former staff in the summer program.
(8/7/2014 4:13:06 PM)
31
to number 20
Way to go. You've successfully taken a frustrated mother's positive initiative to try work something out for her son and completely flipped it around.
While what you're saying has much truth to it, I'd like you to go back and read what you wrote. Try and put yourself in this mother's shoes. Based on what she's written she's exhausted all her options. She is taking action and trying to do something. Why the harsh words?
I agree with you that the technology, and sports, and all other distractions are not helping our boys, or girls, or mothers, or fathers. Then again, this is the age we live in. We need to learn how to use all the distractions to our advantage, to make them positive tools for education and life. I loved learning the sicha of the Rebbe where he clearly says the word television and radio-and tells us to use them for the good.
Based on how you speak, it sounds like all of your children are absolute angels and that you don't know of these difficulties. Bless you! But don't you dare start pointing fingers and accuse a parent that her difficulties with her child are due to her lack of tznius.
You mention special needs children-that's a whole 'nother parsha that I'm not going to get into. But Hashem created each and every one of us as completely unique individuals. No cookie cutter production line. Our cookie cutter school system doesn't work for the individual, and that creates children who have special needs. Aside from the children who are born with special needs-don't even try to tell me how it's the parent's "fault" for having special needs children. It is our job to educate our children and we were given clear directions to do it "al pi darko." It's not a made up thing, nor is it for certain children. It's for every single one, including yours. Lucky for you, the derech that the mainstream yeshivos has chosen works for your children, but it doesn't work for everyone.
I applaud this mother for taking action in trying to find a solution for her son. And I bless you to have continued nachas from yours. Along with a little bit of understanding of what others are dealing with.
(8/7/2014 4:38:48 PM)
32
to 20
Since when do they allow internet in Williamsburg?
(8/7/2014 6:13:13 PM)
33
Toronto always has room
The Mesivta in Toronto under Rabbi Oster will never turn away a bochur who is serious about keeping sedorim. I assume since you make no mention of tuition fees being your challenge that you will be paying full tuition though. If not; don't bother.
(8/7/2014 7:04:51 PM)
34
hamesivta!
Hamesivta and Cincinnati are the best yeshivos for bochurim who are "a little out of the box"
(8/7/2014 7:21:55 PM)
35
to number 27
Try the headband under your Tichel (and sheitel) works amazing (hosiery store near union sells them). I have glasses also, and if not for the headband under my Tichel, the Tichel would constantly slide off and expose my hair. Now I don't need fix my Tichel thought day, any type...Try it, worth it
(8/7/2014 7:50:38 PM)
36
To the mother
I don't know if you are ok with sending your son a long ways from home, we certainly were not, and seeing a lot of bochurim acting rudely and out of control, we really didn't want our son to go to CH. As he is only a very young boy, 14 , how can a child cope with. Ening alone, without parents to see each night. My son couldn't study day and night, he's an individual, and very kind, and artistic, so the rough and tough would not be for him. He also experienced bullying and these boys that bully seem to fit well in yeshivas. So we homeschooled, and now he's doing GED and will be who he needs to be, without the awful pressure to be something
(8/7/2014 8:21:09 PM)
37
Very impressed
To the parents: Most of us have a child, at least, that doesn't fit the mold. It's a draining challenge to find the right yeshiva. Hatzlacha and I hope it happens quickly. Have you checked into Darchai Menachem? You will be surprised to see how incredible a program it offers for the kids who think outside of the box. Heard great things about Buffalo too. To #20: How disturbing and shameful to be passing judgment on a situation you obviously have no idea about. I would stop worrying about the kids' lack of attention in our societies and worry more about the judgmental heartless "chasssidim" that our turning our children away from our rebbe and all he held dear. Maybe one day you will understand that children are pure and aren't turning away because of gadgets as much as escaping the "system" by using them. Hope you are not in any position of chinuch. Let your mashpia know you need help.
(8/7/2014 8:24:53 PM)
38
Proud Mother
We wonder why so many of our boys join the IDf
They find a purpose goals and appreciation they don't get in our yeshivas. Draft Rosh Yeshivas to get it right.
(8/7/2014 8:48:43 PM)
39
darchai
Did wonders for my son!

#20

U would be better off sitting in front of and watching " shtuss" then spewing ur shtuss here !


(8/7/2014 10:38:50 PM)
40
How much you pay for the luxury to be a Chossid?
Just wonder to you know any places that are good but not very expensive nowadays ? Or it's a halumes ...
(8/7/2014 10:42:24 PM)
41
post smicha
our son finished smicha at age 21. The new zman starts in two weeks and he has no clue what to do next. Thanks system.
(8/7/2014 10:44:32 PM)
42
Just some thoughts
It's nice that a mother wants her son to be in a yeshivah invironment. That being said...

There is a big diferance between a yeshiva with special emphases put on helping Bochurim who have "fallen through the cracks" of mainstream elementary school and have difficulty "learning", vs studying other subjects than Torah ie GED etc. wanting to learn Torah is the reason people go to yeshivah. (I am not sure what the author meant by "other subjects")
I think it is valid to want to separate the "fry" and generally problematic teens from the normal ones. I just think think too many issues are being confused here.

WHY DOES EVERYONE WANT THERE TO BE NEW YESHIVOS? ALL WE REALY NEAD IS EXTRA HELP FOR THOSE THAT NEED IT. The environment will be that of a yeshivah and bochurim will get the help they need!
If someone has a child who is not "chassidish" but wants them to be in "regular" yeshivah, or make a new yeshivah that teaches secular and still be able to call it a mainstream yeshivah... You are liying to yourself an the world. Call things what they are and open a yeshivah for your son that teaches "chol" but don't call it a mainstream Lubavitch yeshivah!
(8/7/2014 10:46:53 PM)
43
i agree with 22 but
there's not much difference between yeshivos now and those pre 3 tammuz. difference then was that there's still something to stay in the system for.

to the post writer - consider yourself nudged into a better direction for your son. help him get a profession, career, skills. send him to a school that teaches tools whether to make money or simply tools how to learn. no yeshiva does that. they just "teach" memorization, and that you're nothing but a pawn/puppet.
(8/7/2014 11:07:06 PM)
44
DAVID
WE GAD THE SAME PROBLEM.IF THEY SPEAK IVRIT YOU HAVE TWO VERY GOOD YESHIVOTH.ONE IS OLGA IN CHDERA THE OTHER CHNOCH LEANER IN SAFAD.YOU HAVE A NEW YESHIVA NOW OPENING IN KAFAR CHABAD.YOU CAN ALSO TRY THE YESHIVA NEAR MOSCOW.ALL ARE VERY GOOD.FIRST TWO MISHICHIST LAST TWO NOT.
GOOD LUCK!
(8/7/2014 11:25:34 PM)
45
To #20
1. If you a father of a teenager how are you example by even reading COL? No doubt that is not the only site you visit. "Values are caught not taught"

2. If you dont have tennagers. How dare can you judge this parent?! There are many people including mchanchim who have demanded and said nonsense like you and once thier own kids grew up and suffered the same consequence only then did they wake up and smell the coffee. Di oibershter keeps cheshbon.

3. If are a bachur go learn another mamer and stop wasting your time.

4. If you are an older person get a life and start farbrenging in a postive way with the young.
(8/8/2014 12:31:26 AM)
46
#35
Thank you . I'll definitely try it.
(8/8/2014 2:36:35 AM)
47
wilksbarre!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
wilksbarre,wilksbarre,wilksbarre, wilksbarre, wilksbarre, wilksbarre, wilksbarre!!!!!!!!!
(8/8/2014 2:38:58 AM)
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#42
Believe it or not some bochurim are actually "put into the cracks" because the "menahel" isn't interested in dealing with a kid who's not in the box. When will the yeshivas wake up and realize that most kids aren't in the box and it wouldn't hurt them to "care"!!! It might even make for a better yeshiva
(8/8/2014 3:30:14 AM)
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#20 Rude and Wrong!
How dare you make accusations against someone you don't even know. I'm and special educator who has worked successfully with all kinds of students. Would you say that to a mother of a retarded child? Does every person have the same IQ, ability, personality? Education is not an assembly line. There are many ways to learn. Open your eyes. Fortunately, frum Jewish educators are finally learning about how the brain works, and how to help children succeed. There is no one-size fits all. Comments like yours no doubt would lead teenagers off the derech.
(8/8/2014 9:37:20 AM)
50
Same
My daughter has the same problem. Any good Jewish high schools for girls?
(8/8/2014 12:13:14 PM)
51
Grammar
For those expressing wonder why a high school diploma would be of any use...there, their, or they're have very different meanings in a sentence. This is just an example, but with a good education, one could learn how to write an easily understandable sentence.
(8/8/2014 2:45:20 PM)
52
Maybe Start your own
Hi

I have been there,done that,and completely empathize and sympathize with you.The 1st thing is perhaps consider a non Chasidic Yeshiva.It is a compromise but when you consider the consequences of not having anything it is worth it.The existing Yeshivas have issues with children with learning difficulties for a few main reasons.It costs a lot to hire special teachers and if it is a child with ADHT he could give a bad reputation to The Yeshiva and sometimes influence negatively the other Talmiddim.These are fears not necessarily true. Rabbi Bender of Yeshiva Darchei Torah of Far Rockaway was way ahead of his time when he had his Yeshiva integrated.There are no separate classes.

What I did is 1st I wrote a a very heart felt letter to the Letters to The Editor in the local Jewish papers for three reasons.To get the attention of other parents in the same situation as myself.I left a contact number for them to reach me.Guarenteed there are other parents who would rather keep their problem under cover for fear of latter problems with Shaduchim.You have to remember Hashem put us here to advocate for our children.When there is a group it is a lot easier then doing it on your own.To get the attention of Melumden in The Community who might have Special Ed training and the 3rd reason was to make The Community aware of the situation so when it comes time to approach for help they will know what you are asking for.Once I received names of parents in a similar situation we all gathered to figure out how to go about doing this.Another way to find parents is to approach The Administration of the Yeshiva and ask if they know any familys with similar problems.The next step was raising money.We ended up joining with another Institute which cost us a lot less then starting our own.The main ingredient though was a lot of Tephillas to Hashem and emphasizing to all the parents the importance of Bitachin in Hashem to help you.Be Matzliach!
(8/8/2014 4:21:53 PM)
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To #1
I don't think your comment belongs on a lubavitcher website, it is clearly against the Rebbe's shita, thinking about tachlis etc
(8/8/2014 6:03:13 PM)
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to # 20
u seem to believe very strongly that technology and gadgets are distracting and destructive. Hmmmm......I wonder which gadget you were using when u went on COL and wrote that comment. A laptop? iPad? Computer? iPhone? who knows, and who cares. Just letting u know that u obviously use technology yourself- and there is nothing wrong with that! but then why are u telling others about the horrible ramifications, and full of accusation and blame? especially with words that were not so nice? first make sure that u yourself dont :)
(8/8/2014 8:50:41 PM)
55
The truth
Yeshiva is not necessarily the best place to be. Sometimes if he has a few close friends and a good Rabbi to learn with a few hours a day - under your tutelage he will do well. If you want something done right you've got to do it yourself. Yeshiva administration is almost always a nightmare.
(8/9/2014 10:56:08 AM)
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YG
YG MEBOURNE!!! as a bochur who has gone through the system yg is the best yeshiva in the world, it is the only yeshiva where the hanholo really care about you and don't judge you on your exterior but who you really are, if you are interested in improving this is the best place for you!
(8/9/2014 7:51:14 PM)
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The Problem Is Not Only Where But How
One point I would just like to add to all of the above, even though it may be quite obvious.

There are TWO reasons why there are not many yeshivas that are "outside the box" and that still can cater to boys who just have "learning" issues.

1. It's a question of balance. Once you step "outside the box" (not giving kinosos etc.), how do you ensure a standard of discipline?
And therein lies the problem, many parents rightfully understand that with their child, a different approach is necessary, a more gentle and individualistic one etc. - BUT what should ACTUALLY be done when the kid sleeps in week after week, or is barely hanging on in terms of actually sitting down in one place to learn for even two hours a day etc. Would you want your son in such a yeshiva where they let 'em get away with it??!!

So problem number one is, that it is EXTREMELY difficult to have an "up and running" yeshiva with students that need a different approach, i.e. basically this parent has to realise that any institution can only be individualistic to a certain degree, and that sooner or later you come up against the "system" (there are certain rules that every student MUST keep)...so you want a school that will cater to a child who can't hack a full day of study but is still a chassidisheh yeshiva, which means that they MUST have rules and standards..
This is a difficult recipe.

2. This distinction itself - learning Issues or "religious/behavioural" issues must be assessed so as not to put the child in the wrong program etc. -
most parents themselves are "scared" to address this whole issue...
so until there will be a substantial number of parents joining together to deal with this, not much will change.
(8/9/2014 9:32:40 PM)
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To # 7--BTM believes one size does NOT fit all; entering our seventh year k'a'h!

We need a place that our special talented boys can grow in Chassidishkeit while enjoying it and being able to express themselves/their talents.
That is EXACTLY what our mission is-www.smicha.net (BTM-Bais Toras Menachem) but for ages 18 and up who are serious/ goal-oriented, want to learn Smicha and a bit of everything else (Chassidus, G'mara, Halacha...) study GED and college courses 323-495-3010; anyone wanting to start the same program for 15-18 you CAN do it...lots of Brochos from the Rebbe helps us to the impossible! Our children are worth it!!!
Hatzlacha to all Parents....
(8/10/2014 3:52:05 AM)
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to#@20
after checking your sheitel (or your wife's)
learn few maamorin about ahavas Yisroel!!!
(8/11/2014 4:07:50 AM)
60
Miami Mesivta
Go to miami
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