ב"ה
Wednesday, 26 Adar I, 5784
  |  March 6, 2024

Chabad Rabbis Ban “Call of Shofar”

Chabad's official rabbinic body has concluded an extensive investigation into the "Call of the Shofar" and found it to be "dangerous." Full Story

Shluchos Take the Stage

Next Story »

L’Chaim: Cohen – Gerlitzky

Subscribe
Notify of
74 Comments
oldest
newest most voted
Inline Feedbacks
View all comments
Gad frenkel
February 3, 2014 5:33 pm

To the author of the report. I am curious as to why you are remaining anonymous. As to your methodology, could you please be a bit more specific. How many people did you actually interview? How were they selected?

to number71
January 29, 2014 10:21 am

It’s sad that you are so unhappy. I too am terribly saddened that we have been leaderless for TOO many years. Keeping extremely involved and helping others is an excellent way to fill the void. If you reach out and find a way to get involved with chesed / community projects etc your whole attitude will change. It need not be huge involvements. After saying Moide Ani get busy with something other than your private affairs then your whole day will take on a different flavor. I am not suggesting you do not matter but it cannot be only about… Read more »

#77
January 27, 2014 11:26 pm

You make a good point. Chazal said it even better, though: Sur mei rah v’asei tov. First we must sur mei rah, which is what we’re seeing with this matter. But you are correct, the shleimus will come through tshuva, which means bringing ourselves and others closer to the Eibishter. Al shlosha d’varim ha’olam omeid: al a Torah, v’al ha’avoda, v’gemilus chasadim.

Ossur, Ossur, Ossur
January 27, 2014 10:37 pm

20 Years since gimmel Tammuz approaching, the pain for many of us is great. The words “Ossur, Ossur, Ossur” will not sooth this pain, this great cry from within. The way I see it, there are two groups of people, the cold and the warm people. The ones screaming ossur are the cold blooded people who can live with the status quo forever. The more emotional, warm, and caring people are hurting inside. COTS was a forum with which to open up and meet likeminded people with deep feelings for life, family, friends. Ossur this Ossur that will by far… Read more »

To # 61
January 27, 2014 3:46 pm

GREAT IDEA ! ! !
And L’Maase

To #65
January 27, 2014 3:18 pm

To #65 Response to 38, 42, 55 To 55, 1. On point #1 I fully agree with you, Rabbonim will pasken what they need to according to Halacha, which also includes issues of medicine and Hashkafa based on the facts presented to them, and their assessment of these facts and the Halacha how it applies in this case. Clearly, the author of the report does not purport to represent the Rabbonim, nor does he attempt to explain the Psak of Rabbonim by claiming that his report is the reason. Perhaps he sent his report to the Rabbonim and it factored… Read more »

End of the Discussion
January 27, 2014 1:23 pm

An approximately 5-hour 2-part meeting was recently held in Brooklyn. The meeting was attended by the founder/director of COTS, 4 esteemed rabbonim, and was chaired by Rabbi Dovid Cohen, a noted posek with a background in mental health. Rabbi Cohen’s reputation speaks for itself. At the meeting, documents were submitted by respected mental health professionals with the highest degree of credibility that COTS is both harmful and dangerous from a medical-mental-health perspective. Rabbonim spoke to numerous halachick problems with the COTS program. Testimony was submitted by former COTS attendees and staffers that gave highly detailed and alarming descriptions of so-called… Read more »

Pikuach Nefesh
January 27, 2014 12:36 pm

Pikuach Nefesh issues is really what is so problematic at COTS. Unprofessional and uncertified people can drive clients to suicide. Several individuals in CH are extremely embarrassed since some of their marital and family issues they had were displayed in public at COTS. Halacha states that Al Chet is recited quietly. At COTS, in a state of frenzy people talk and shout out their innermost problems and pains. In Yechidus, we conveyed to the Rebbe the innermost problems and issues we had. The Rebbe with his Neshoma Klolis, felt and experienced our pain and with his counsel and saintly blessing… Read more »

number 55 "A MUST READ"
January 27, 2014 2:33 am

thanks for posting this – the average person cannot understand mind control and brainwashing. The persons who attend these type of programs are under some sort of spell caused by brainwashing – attendees all returned from the program with the same niggun. “you must go – it’s fantastic – I can’t describe it – you have to go and experience it yourself – it is just incredible – I’ll even pay for you” these were the exact same lines used by those that attended. They were all programmed r’l. It’s truly frightening! So difficult to believe and understand – yet… Read more »

Response to 38, 42, 55
January 27, 2014 2:29 am

To 55, I do commend you for making an effort to rationally and professionally assess COTS. However, there are a few issues that scream for attention. 1.Firstly, it is clear from your article that this is NOT an halachic or hashkofic issue at all!! Rather it is a debate if powerful short weekend psychology retreats are beneficial or not. This is purely an academic and professional issue and has nothing to do with the beis Din. The beis Din has never issues a pask against sugar, fat, or any other medical drug that has endless studies showing it to be… Read more »

Rav Shmuel Kaminetzky Removed endoresment!!
January 27, 2014 2:00 am

R Kaminetzky sent his lawyers after SF. His endoresment was removed from site. BH.

LY BR
January 27, 2014 1:51 am

How about teachers in Beis Rivka & LY Crown St. who went?

CHINUCH OF OUR CHILDREN IN DANGER !!!!!!!!!!
January 26, 2014 11:51 pm

IT is a must to protect our children the hanholoh of mosdos have to do an extensive evaluation of the long term efects of the cots brainwashing of the mechanchim.These mechanchim were not just one time participants. They were preaching the cots mantra. Sending precious neshomos to the program.Of course if their job is on the line they will retract. Those people who pressured the mosdos to rehire these individuals were recless in thier actions.A thorough profesional deprograming is needede before they should be in any position to be mashpiim. A leave of absence would be a more level headed… Read more »

Mashpia advertisement
January 26, 2014 11:21 pm

Maybe now is the time for mashpiim to start advertising their services on COL, so the ones seeking guidance will know where to go

to the author
January 26, 2014 11:13 pm

be advised with a simple conversation with an actual facilitator of the program many of your issues can be resolved. What you are missing in the report is the other side of the coin. For a perspn maing an attempt on research, your research is simply inconclusive without an actual conversation with one of the senior facilitators. I respect your judgments and you are entitled to your opinion. The reality is that I think you are mistaken in some of your research methods. The methodology done on your psychological perspective is incomplete and doesn’t cut it. The same way COTS… Read more »

to # 53...know of what you speak....
January 26, 2014 10:49 pm

….what do you think was the intention the Alter Rebbe had in Tanya if not to provide ways for people to change themselves in a positive way..?.

Thats what coaching is, Helping and guiding to discard one’s old and destructive habits and create new positive habits that are based on logic and sechel, not middos based on bad habits.

Its not a new thing and much less self centred and self focused than therapy.

to 45 from 39 Lubavitcher Yeshiva
January 26, 2014 10:26 pm

The allegations I made are true.

As a parent knowing what we know now about Cots, I have every right to demand that LY take action. Every responsible parent should do the same.

The information I mentioned is public knowledge, as these staff speak openly about their attendance. Yet, I did not mention their names and I therefore don’t feel that I need to mention my name.

from the author of the document partially provided in #38 and 42
January 26, 2014 9:16 pm

Thank you to #43. We worked very hard to interview across a broad based spectrum, hire an excellent research investigator and spend many hours to put this report together.
If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to post.

A MUST READ!
January 26, 2014 9:01 pm

Hello editor, Please be advised that I am the first author and psychologist of the report entitled: “A Psychological Perspective of Call of the Shofar”. I see in comments #38 and 42 that someone posted part of my report. In all fairness and in the spirit of understanding what is happening with COTS attendees, I have decided to release the report to your website. As requested by senior leaders, my original report was submitted to them. I hope that this submission will serve to further highlight the issues inherent in COTS and have it serve as a means to protect… Read more »

thank you oholei torah
January 26, 2014 8:25 pm

..i hope ALL staff is really deprogrammed;

ALL OTHER SCHOOLS MUST FOLLOW and deal with this!!

PARENTS dont sit back- YOUR sons rebbi/principal may very well still be under the effects…!

IMHO-to #49
January 26, 2014 6:47 pm

coaching is another naya sach that can be very damaging. a mashpia based on the ‘rebbe’s directives is not necessarily the same thing as a life coach.

collive
January 26, 2014 6:28 pm

Of course their is no mention, but the real thanks goes to a Woman in our community who with great courage removed this Magefa from our midst, Thank You Collive!

hello
January 26, 2014 5:37 pm

if a person has an issue he should go to a licensed therapist who has been trained to deal with psychological issues.

to 50 not everything is politics. This is achdus among all rabonim to adress a very dangerous phenomenom
January 26, 2014 4:52 pm

Its not an insult. Many people were saying that the original psak was done in haste without proper research, this is a follow up with professional research documents submited.

excuse mw
January 26, 2014 4:39 pm

This is an insult to the Rabbanim of Crown Heights , who came out a month ago against it. As if we couldn’t take their word for it and needed these Rabbis statement.

Forget COTS and even therapy....
January 26, 2014 4:37 pm

a lot better to get a coach type of Mashpia to help figure things out, sort your life out and move forward in a new derech al pi chassidus without all these brainwashing techniques.

I would recommend you finding a frum coach / mashpia, such as Ilana at ilana.worldcoaching at gmail she will do a free 30 minute session via skype and see if she can help you.

The important thing for those who wish to move forward in life is to make changes in your actions.

Hatzlacha Rabbah !!

DAMAGE CONTROL and DENIAL of DANGER by CERTAIN SHLUCHIM and RABONIM
January 26, 2014 4:04 pm

The damage cots has done is far reaching. It is not only mechanchim that are already known but many others. Im chas vsholom not calling for a witch hunt . However shluchim and rabonim who have attended still claim that the Vaad has got it wrong. To quote one Rav Cots has goten a bad rap the Rabonim realy dont understand, It has helped many people in my community.BH the psak will hopefully stop many from going. However those that have been brainwashed will believe in it despite the psak.Unfortunately I know of this attitude first hand in a chabad… Read more »

To all the "experts"
January 26, 2014 3:48 pm

How about putting your name?

follow up on 31
January 26, 2014 3:16 pm

just purchased a raffle ticket – rabbifriedman.org/raffle to support the org of such good work.

To #39.
January 26, 2014 3:04 pm

You have the gall to incriminate Melamdim, but no courage to state your name?? Such lack of respect for our teachers is a big part of OUR problem!

Shame on YOU!

With love,
Someone who doesn’t work in ULY, currently, HM

To #40
January 26, 2014 2:55 pm

There is a letter from the Rebbe from 15 Shvat 5709 to Rabbi Shlomo Chaim Keselman, who lived in Paris at that time, where he writes that the ikar of hafotzas hamaayonos is to be mekasher Iden with the Rebbe. I think your correct when you write that we need to dedicate time for hafotzas hamaayonos for our own people, to give they a true feeling of connection to the Rebbe through all of the ways which you write, and also, as the Rebbe writes in that letter, through maamad.
Thank you

An Expert Opinion
January 26, 2014 2:50 pm

#38 This well-written analysis speaks powerfully of the psychological dangers of COTS and lists extant case histories of damage already inflicted by this remarkably irresponsible program. It is my fervent hope that this information will be widely distributed and that includes to past participants in COTS programs as well as community leaders who may have unwittingly endorsed the group or its founder. The actions taken by Chabad-Lubovitch leaders is laudable and consoling. But much more needs to be done to undue the widespread damage this group may have caused to countless individuals and to prevent any similar group or individual… Read more »

Techniques in the COTS
January 26, 2014 2:29 pm

There are many different techniques in the COTS weekend trainings where the individual is confronted with his weaknesses, inadequacies and poor internal psychological structures. There is a quick fix mentality where the individual is rapidly brought up to feel wonderful after their “breakdown”. COTS hones in on what they can do the tear down the participants self- esteem. One participant wrote the following: “When they do the shouting the scream: I matter, be there for me , love me, accept me for who I am, I’m good enough. Then the instructor screams at you to say it louder and louder.… Read more »

People need Direction
January 26, 2014 2:04 pm

95% of people look up to leadership and need it. Every Shul in CH should have a Rav or Mashpia. This is what the Rebbe wanted.

Thank you
January 26, 2014 1:42 pm

Vaad Rabonai Lubavitch for addressing this issue and coming out with a clear psak.
We hope that you continue to deal with the core of this issue to work with the rabbonim of our kehilos and see why this happened in the first place, see the deep needs of our people and start implementing the Rebbes directives in making mashpiim in kehilos, encouraging asei lecho rav, truly not yotze tzu zain, mivtza torah, hafotzas hamaayonos also to our people who may be a bit chutza etc. etc.

Lubavitcher Yeshiva
January 26, 2014 12:24 pm

As parent of children in LY, I am very concerned that they are not addressing the issue. My son’s melamed and the assistant principal were attendees at cots but I have yet to hear of any action on LY part to correct the problem and reassure the parents.

Rabbi Simpson, we are waiting for you to take action.

The Real Danger of COTS
January 26, 2014 11:12 am

The real danger of COTS is if someone genuinely needs psychological help, he will seek COTS hoping for immediate relief from his emotional distress. In my interview of several attendees, they reported that they attended with some prior knowledge that they were depressed, anxious, moody and/or upset. Some of the COTS program activities involved hour long breathing and visualization techniques that are designed to break down the person. These strategies created observable psychological problems in some people: “I was throwing myself up against a wall”. “I saw a guy take his clothes off and run outside naked”, “The techniques made… Read more »

Words of a P'sak
January 26, 2014 9:23 am

This was a gilui daas based on p’sak. The maarei mekomos would follow. It happens this way all of the time when rabbonim are trying to protect the community.

to #2
January 26, 2014 8:29 am

There are lines in there that are so appropriate to what really went on there. I very much enjoyed reading your little story. You have real talent.

question
January 26, 2014 6:05 am

why isn’t it in English for the non-hebrew readers?

Dont get
January 26, 2014 4:07 am

Why Pasken a new Psak Din if you already Paskend it like a month before???

Mordy #2
January 26, 2014 1:03 am

Once again, no details are provided as to exactly what about the program is assur.

BH it is over
January 26, 2014 12:45 am

Thank you for finishing this up.

11213 is the place to be
January 26, 2014 12:30 am

you have questions??

rabbi manis friedman has answers

Lol #2
January 25, 2014 11:51 pm

Great

IMHO
January 25, 2014 11:11 pm

This whole situation arose from the constant looking for something new and better which is pervasive in Chabad chinuch.Every so often there’s an all new and improved teaching program forced on us by the honholah because it turns out that up’ till now we were doing it all wrong.Yes we can all learn and improve but these programs aren’t Torah mi sinai;only Torah is mi sinai. Our rebeim gave us the best possible system for chinuch and life.Let’s stop looking elsewhere!!!

Glad
January 25, 2014 8:24 pm

That we got out of this klipa

BARUCH HASHEM
January 25, 2014 8:20 pm

but i hope all participants do to a deep re-direction/teshuva… to those who say this was late..guess what? if paskened earlier ppl say “they didnt do enuf research…’ basically SF was found to be void of any yiras shomaim which is needed when giving others direction in Avodas Hashem. TO 6, if youre looking for avoda zara there are a lot of cheaper places, you dont need to spend so much $ thank you Rebbe for saving us from this machala but now we need your help to repair the damage that was done. may all those who need therapy… Read more »

HEY!
January 25, 2014 8:13 pm

23, you rock!!
2, pardon my ignorance but what language do you speak, didn’t get it

Requiem For A Mishuggeneh
January 25, 2014 7:10 pm

He/they should have a refuah sheleima…elsewhere.

And those who endorsed, supported, or “facilitated” this k’fira should to t’shuva, which should include speaking out loudly and clearly so that other false prophets of “self-awareness” and “releasing your true potential” can never again gain a foothold in Klall Yisrael. Ma Tovu Ohalecha Yaacov, Mishkanosecha Yisrael.

finally!!!!
January 25, 2014 7:08 pm

Its over!!!:-)

BDE
January 25, 2014 7:00 pm

can u put up the shiva info for COTS?:)

GLAD ITS OVER……

Mushka
January 25, 2014 6:38 pm

11213.org gave me a new lease on life.
Literally.

11213.org
January 24, 2014 6:17 pm

If u want to learn real Chassidus for ur practical everyday life check out 11213.org

yeah
January 24, 2014 5:14 pm

me boro eileh

Good news...BUT!
January 24, 2014 4:41 pm

Yes, It’s great to see the Emes coming out!
All the 100s or 1000s of Unzerer Heiliker Neshamos, that went through the program, what do they do now? What do we do now with them?

I suggest, just as the were “Changed” in only three days, they CAN be reversed in only three days.

My detail plan will be exposed after Shabos Kodesh.

YES, they can be helped.

Code name “Min Hameitzar”

shluchim
January 24, 2014 4:40 pm

Not just oholei Torah pushing this, mamosh shluchim getting their community members to go. Is Mr. Aron evaluating them to see if they are fit to lead their communities now?

Meir
January 24, 2014 4:11 pm

BS”D to to #13 & -one doesn’t joke about anothers tzuros, The comment was completely tasteless

Hakadosh Baruch Hu is pleased
January 24, 2014 4:08 pm

Thank you Rabbis – We can enter this Shabbos with pride. The Aibishter is glad that his kinderlach are sanctifying His Name
todays Chumash: “And you shall worship the Lord, your God, and He will bless your food and your drink, and I will remove illness from your midst.” Shabat Shalom. Hoping to greet Moshiach now!!

BDE Simcha Frishling ZAL
January 24, 2014 4:08 pm

The end of a sad parsha

To those that say the Vaad is "Late"
January 24, 2014 3:49 pm

We had plenty of others telling us until now that COTS is a disaster. What was needed was a through investigation by professionals – which takes time to do. If they had come out with this earlier it wouldnt have been complete research and might not have been correct!

To # 6
January 24, 2014 3:48 pm

Lol… you rock. your comment made my day 😀

Late
January 24, 2014 3:47 pm

I hope that next time someone’s life is hanging in the air, Vaad won’t take so long to give their input… Sad

Baruch Hashem!!!
January 24, 2014 3:46 pm

What a relief, we have been waiting to hear from the Rabbonim on this matter.

Thank G-d those in charge and those who know did the proper research and finally put this horrible matter to rest. Now we can move on as a community in the right direction.
Hopefully those that were duped into this guy’s crazy schemes will be able to get the help they need to get back to their normal selves.

Finally
January 24, 2014 3:27 pm

This is is laid to rest. I salute the Rabbonim who had the guts and courage to stand up to this movement who encroached on peoples lives in the name of openness and professionalism . This is also a time for action for community activists to provide assistance to families in need of professional intervention in a Kosher way.

90% participants were lubavitchers
January 24, 2014 3:23 pm

The other 10% were invited by them. This was basically a chabad program that either flopped or imploded.

serious learning would help
January 24, 2014 3:22 pm

Rather than more therapists and lectures, ot should get a serious curriculum that teaches Tania and Chaya starting from earlier grades, rather than the fluff they give the kids all the way through school. Get a grip, kids need and want information, knowledge, and tools. Let them feel educated in a real and meaningful way, let them have knowledgeable teachers who care ( rather than the teachers and staff just making rules and computer generated reports) and we will go along way to avoid these kinds of situations. Time for oholei torah to get real.

It's about time!
January 24, 2014 3:21 pm

It’s about time people actually did research on this before passing judgement.

Thank You for clarity!

Oh well
January 24, 2014 3:18 pm

Well I just signed up. Can’t wait

finally finished
January 24, 2014 3:17 pm

hook line and sinker! THE END!!!!

wow
January 24, 2014 3:13 pm

thanks col for stopping shofar

Vaad :-)
January 24, 2014 3:10 pm

as usual the “vaad” is too little, too late…

Shofar
January 24, 2014 3:02 pm

Simcha was a fine little shofar. As Simcha grew, he became very proud of the noise that he could make. One day, Simcha was looking at the people around him as he was sounding his plaintive cry. Simcha did not like what he saw; not at all! The people stopped what they were doing, and grew very serious. Why, some people even had tears in their eyes! “This will not do!” thought Simcha. “I think people should enjoy freedom and be happy!” So Simcha began to travel the world in search of a better way. In one place he learned… Read more »

Vaad rabonei Lubavitch is a month late
January 24, 2014 2:52 pm

Vaad rabonei Lubavitch is a month late

X