By Shmuel Pollen
First let me introduce myself.
I live in Morristown, New Jersey, and I have been to “The Call of Shofar” (COTS) three times. I went to the basic workshop, the advanced workshop, and acted as a staff member for a basic workshop. I sent several people there whom I thought would benefit and I briefly had a chavrusa with its founder to try to expose him to Chassidus. I wavered back and forth in my support for the program.
Many others who have gone will attest to the tremendous inspiration that was generated during the weekend. They report having felt closeness to G-d and to their fellow Jews and closeness to each other. I must say that until recently, I was singing the same tune.
I also found the weekend to be extremely intellectually stimulating, chock-full of brand new “spins” on familiar Torah concepts. Recognizing that there was currently no experience quite like this in the Jewish world, my policy became, let’s try to ‘maximize the good, minimize the bad’ of the workshop. That, I felt, was probably the way the Rebbe would have handled it. This was a great light, that simply needed better vessels. Or so I thought.
The latest uproar, I felt, were from people who didn’t really understand the power of “the experience” and were just having knee jerk reactions to any change in their community that they couldn’t control.
Many who went to Shofar continue to believe that it “got a bad rap”, was misunderstood and maligned. They still support the goals of the organization personally, although they would no longer actually attend. There are also a few Lubavitchers who have decided to actually continue remaining actively involved in attending the workshops and encouraging others to do so.
I direct the following words to those men, and women (many women have also gone although this has not received any attention), as well as any others in our community who haven’t attended but just can’t seem to understand what the big deal is when it comes to COTS. Were any halachos really broken, they ask?
I must preface: That what I’m about to say in this article is in no way written against anyone who participated, staffed, or founded the organization. On the contrary, it is written out of my love and concern for them. This is that last thing I want to do, because from my experience with the organization I truly believe that they are all uniquely rare and special Jews. They had the courage to go completely out of their comfort zones, and face their deepest problems head-on, in an effort to become a better Jew, a better father, or teacher. This in fact, is what was promised to them.
Even the founder, I believe, feels that although controversial, the self-help programs he attended helped him make tremendous strides as a person. And I believe that he is driven by a motivation to transmit what he viewed as rapid and powerful growth, and allow it to benefit a Jewish community that needs a lot of help in the realms of ahavas yisroel, happiness and successful healthy relationships.
Having said that, let me state that our Rabbonim and Mashpi’im did the right thing in condemning and disallowing attendance to the organization. And I will attempt here to explain why my only wish is that they had done it sooner.
WHAT CHANGED MY MIND
So what led me to a radical change of heart?
It occurred this past Shabbos, when I was having a short, but deep conversation with an elder chassid. He made a remark in a speech that he gave, that appeared to me to be a slight against COTS. I approached him about it and we quickly got into a philosophical conversation in which I tried to explain the merits of “Shofar philosophy” and how it fits in with Chassidus.
Keep in mind, Shofar does teach extremely deep concepts that are seemingly similar to Chassidus. And they often are found to be much more accessible than what we typically learn (which is a draw for Lubavitchers).
He countered what I was saying with proofs from various places in Tanya. Admittedly, his arguments were dismantling mine. But I continued to present the other side of the coin, playing devil’s advocate.
This was going on fine, until a certain point in which I explained a particular aspect of what Shofar is trying to accomplish, and suddenly he froze up, and became visibly shaken. He was so upset he didn’t want to talk about it anymore. He came back to me to confirm, a few more times, that what I had said was actually something that is believed by Shofar attendees.
I confirmed it. Then he said, almost in a panic: “If they do this – it’s a masis umadiach! (-an instigator and inciter against G-d Almighty and his Torah). I can tell you 1,000 percent it’s completely forbidden to go to such a place.”
It shook me up.
And when I really thought about what he had said, I realized that he was completely right. It suddenly occurred to me that this organization which seemed benign and elevating, was actually, a threat to our very souls.
How so?
Let me begin with the allegation that people who went to Shofar have been brainwashed. I dismissed this when I heard it. It seemed ridiculous to me. Then I thought to myself: If someone actually is brainwashed, how would he know? Wouldn’t the brainwashing itself dictate to your brain that you’re in line with reality? Wouldn’t it convince you that what you believe now is even more real because you’re “enlightened”? And wouldn’t it dictate that anyone who says you’re brainwashed just “doesn’t understand?”
I came to the conclusion after some serious introspection that I actually was brainwashed, assuming the definition of brainwashing is being manipulated to believe something you otherwise would not have. It’s possible for someone to brainwash another, while the brainwasher doesn’t think that that’s what he’s doing. He may himself be brainwashed to believe that his work is holy. I believe that to be the case here.
QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ASKED
If you went to Shofar, and you want to understand why I’m saying this, I’m going to ask you to sit for a moment while honestly and objectively asking yourself these questions:
1. The first time we saw a facilitator take off his yarmulke for an exercise or the yarmulka of a participant fell off and we didn’t put it back, it bothered you a little, didn’t it? And why did we start to accept that after a few exercises?
You’ll say: “Because there was vital, life-changing work being done. It was worth it.” I hear you. Hold that thought. Let’s ask further.
2. The first time you heard a four letter words used, it surprised you a little, didn’t it? But we came to accept that too. It was necessary to bring out the proper emotions, right?
3. And how about the non-Jewish music, even though many of us haven’t listened to such music in years. You will say, “Well, that was meant to loosen us up. It was all for the greater good.” Or was it…
4. Ask yourself further: When you first came into Shofar did you find it strange that you would be spending your Shabbos in silence? That you are only able to hear the speeches and philosophy of a person we had just met with no ability to discuss it with others?
5. If you never went to Shofar before, would you have allowed someone to tell you to lock legs with another man and hold his hand for as long as this man we’ve never met tells you to, with no regard for how uncomfortable you are with the situation?
You will tell me, “we needed to break out of our shell. It was for all worth it for what we accomplished. We sacrifice for ‘something greater’.” But was it? What actually was accomplished?
Any Shofar alumn will tell you that aside from “inspiration” and “connectedness”, what we discovered there was our “story” (a trauma in our childhood) and our “judgments” (against ourselves) that we’ve been holding against ourselves because of it. This “story” from our childhood, we discovered, has been holding us back throughout our lives. Until Shofar, that is.
At Shofar we, for a brief moment, experienced “freedom” from those judgments. It was a “peak experience” that showed us how good things could be. At the workshop, everyone was told, or told themselves, when exactly the wound occurred and how it occurred. We all, to my knowledge, bought into this line of thinking and we all accepted our “story” and it became for all of us the enemy of our “wellbeing”, the enemy of our vitality and of our very life.
A FEW MORE QUESTIONS
Is there truth to this? From a psychological perspective, childhood wounds do affect us later on. But I still have a few questions:
Are we absolutely certain that the founder properly diagnosed which experience it actually was? Is he qualified to make such a diagnoses? What about the other trainers with even less experience?
Would a trained psychologist be able to diagnose something so significant so quickly? Does his Landmark training somehow make him better at this than licensed professionals?
Should we really have trusted someone whose credentials are all from organizations that have themselves been labeled cults?
I further ask: Is it at all possible that some of us “conjured up” something from our childhood just so we could fit in with the group because after all, “everyone has a story”?
If so, how serious of a crime is it to brand a person with a problem, and make it a focal point of their life when it wasn’t one they had at all?
If that actually happened, wouldn’t that mean that the workshop was permanently infiltrating some of the most important aspects of our life in completely irresponsible ways?
PROBLEM GOES DEEPER
As if it was possible, the damage of the workshop goes deeper than that. In fact, the damage goes to the core of our belief about our purpose in this world.
Every Lubavitcher that went to Shofar knows that the purpose of the world is to make a home for G-d in this world. But when we come out of Shofar what do we say? Or if we don’t say it, what do we think?
We think the purpose of this world is to “come home.” It sounds almost like Chassidus is more accessible in “cozy” language.
But it is not.
It is, in fact, a complete corruption of the belief system of chassidus. The distinction is quite simple. “Making a home” for G-d is about G-d. “Coming home” is about you and your own personal development. The subtle shift in language has turned Judaism on its head.
Maybe this is why men who come out of Shofar have commonly been reported to be overly preoccupied with their personal development. Maybe that’s why they reportedly put their “wellbeing” ahead of stringencies in their frumkeit…
That’s a monumental change to our entire life’s purpose — in three days, mind you. How could we have given license to a man we know nothing about, to redefine our life’s purpose?
THE “EXPERIENCE”
And now let’s address the “experience”. The great “feeling of closeness to G-d and to each other.” This was the one I always continued to believe in. But when I started thinking about this differently, I started to wonder.
What did we actually feel there? Was it holiness? Was it G-d? Was it the soul?
Any time 10 Jews get together, the shechina does dwell. Especially when a Jew is crying out from his pain from the depths of his heart. But was that the right way to go about it?
According to the video Captive Minds that Rabbi She Hecht mentioned, it would appear otherwise. The suggestibility tactics used at Shofar are used at all kinds of vicious cults to create a euphoric experience.
Afterwards, the cult leader tells them that what you felt was G-d. That’s what you got here: G-d. Only here. People who tell you to leave here? That’s Satan trying to keep you from G-d.
Although they are not forcing you to stay as these cults do, the experience of “G-dliness” is generated and sold in exactly the same way. We’re told that feeling we felt is “dveikus.”
The founder has also often said that dveikus is the purpose of the world. We were sold a mind-game and told it’s G-d, and now we believe this workshop is the best way to get close to Him (Sounds a bit like the definition of avoda zara, come to think of it).
I ask further: Why are people who aren’t “into it” pressured to leave? Is the issue that every single person needs to be “into it” or the program doesn’t work?
Think about that. If you’re not “into it”, that basically means you’re not suggestible i.e. willing to do things you wouldn’t otherwise do. Which means that everyone else who is into it, is about to get manipulated.
THEIR 2 CORE CONCEPTS
And then let’s cover two core concepts that are drilled into your mind in this suggestible state which I think are extremely dangerous.
There are several “mantras” that we are told to say loudly, often with screaming and pushing against the facilitator. These mantras are your battle cry, so to speak. And they become your source of power against your judgments which are interfering with your happiness.
Some of the mantras seem to me to be okay. But here are two of the favorites that I have my doubts about.
1. I matter (for who I am)
and
2. I’m good enough
True statements? I would say so. Most psychologists would agree they are important aspects of a healthy self esteem. But if these statements are taken in isolation they can be dangerous.
If I’m good enough as I am, then one small aviera won’t make a difference, right?
The Alter Rebbe says in the very first page of Tanya that if you are not at all concerned with your aveiros it can lead to “kalus” (carelessness) about Torah and Mitzvos.
Shofar wouldn’t say don’t be concerned at all with your aveiros. However, the most powerful part of the weekend revolves around these two statements. And since most have never lived with these statements before, they can easily become a point of focus and suddenly the “hat and jacket” (kabolas ol) starts to come off (as reported with one bochur in the original interview posted on COLlive).
What has happened is the focus is now your happiness and your self esteem. And if halacha is making us feel like we’re always being judged and guilty, then maybe just maybe we should “take a step back” from the mitzva so we can do it in a more “healthy way.” (The founder says this in the original video conversation and sees this as a legitimate argument).
That may make some sense to some. But it’s a subtle distinction that I believe can make or break your entire life. The problem is what you’ve done is made your happiness more important than halacha (i.e. more important than what’s right). This is antithetical to Judaism itself.
Every baal tshuva knows that happiness through freedom from rules leads only to misery. They found more happiness in living a Torah lifestyle made even more meaningful by its rules. This is basic stuff. We all know this.
How could we have allowed someone we barely know to make us forget this fundamental truth of why we’re here in this world? Could it be we were in too much a state of suggestibility to notice what was wrong here? Doesn’t that sound like brainwashing at a very deep level of your belief system?
“FREE” IS GOOD?
Judaism, of course, believes that the most important thing in life is not yourself, but your G-dly mission. And if you’re miserable, well try to learn how to be not miserable. There are chapters in Tanya dedicated to exactly that. But G-d forbid to become careless with a single mitzvah.
(If any health issue, emotional or otherwise makes it harmful for someone to do a mitzva, any dispensation has to be done extremely carefully under the authority of a qualified Rov. But were any of us at that point? Did any of us need to be hospitalized for our emotional problems? Don’t you think the yetzer hora would just love to convince you that you’re “unhealthy” and therefore it’s not “for you” to be so strict in your observance?)
This relates to the concept the elder chassid was so fearful about.
I mentioned how in Shofar we’re learning how to regain our free choice, so that we can choose to do halacha instead of it being forced upon us, and in this way our service of Hashem is that much more meaningful. He was fearful for good reason about this statement. It’s truly scary. Who really knows what you’ll choose?
It seems like all Shofar people, from what I am aware, chose Judaism. But according to what we’ve seen on the video posted that just caused this controversy, it is sometimes just a “lighter” more “relaxed” form. Who can measure what those extra mitzvos they could’ve done are worth?
Free choice is a good thing, right? What could be wrong with that?
But have we forgotten the words of our Rebbe who taught us that truly free choice is expressed through breaking out of our animalistic desires via the Mitzvos. It’s not expressed by doing whatever you choose to do which invariably only leads to compulsion, laziness, addiction, crime etc. The yetzer hora quite obviously will leap at the opportunity for you to “rechoose” the way you live, and have you choose a lifestyle that is more “comfortable” but not necessarily completely right.
The elder chassid told me, and this is important for everyone to understand, that when it’s all said and done, it is preferable that one be miserable his entire life and do an extra mitzvah (b”h Chassidus helps us ensure that doesn’t happen). This is what the Alter Rebbe says about one who stays a benoni at battle his entire life. If you can avoid it, great. But if you can’t, living that way is really quite special and G-dly.
And that makes sense to me. Because it’s not about you and what feels good or even what makes someone else feel good. It’s about G-d and what makes Him feel good. And what makes him feel good is the mitzvos as codified by halacha.
So we have to try to find happiness WITHIN halacha. Which is completely possible. Within Shofar you find happiness OUTSIDE halacha, as proven by all the examples I gave above. The “greater cause” we were all after is happiness, and the yarmulka and the hat and jacket will have to temporarily take a back seat to that. How dangerous!
‘SOMEWHAT LIKE JUDAISM’
So is there more love there? Sure. Is there more brotherhood there? Sure. Could we use more love and brotherhood in our own community? Sure (and this probably happened so we can work on that).
Does the founder have some interesting concepts and some novel spins on Torah learning? Yes he does.
But just keep in mind that joining a group that is somewhat like Judaism, has a lot more brotherhood and some interesting wisdom but doesn’t emphasize halacha as much.
Does that sound familiar? It should. That’s exactly how Christianity got started.
Yoshke’s main deviation from Judaism revolved around him healing someone on Shabbos in a way that was only slightly out of the bounds of halacha. An interesting parallel. The Reform movement started in a similar way.
I don’t think Call of the Shofar was taking us there, but this philosophy was spreading very quickly, protected by a mask of holiness. If history has taught us anything, it’s that if you stretch the laws of Shabbos just a tiny bit or any other halacha for that matter, to accommodate a “higher purpose” it can result in millions of Jewish souls lost, G-d forbid.
If we needed more proof of this, just look around. All the immorality out there is rooted in a notion that happiness comes before the rules of what’s ‘right.’ That “I matter” comes before “G-d matters.”
IN CONCLUSION
Although it pains me to say this greatly, I now recognize that the Call of the Shofar, although I think it was created with the best of intentions, was actually a threat to Judaism itself. A threat to the soul of the Jew.
I’m really proud of the mashpiim who recognized the threat, addressed the issue so articulately, and put out the fire hopefully never to return.
(Incidentally, I urge more Rabbonim to join Rabbi Yaacov Schwei and Rabbi Yosef Braun in paskening on the matter because I know that many Shofar fans are convincing themselves that since only two paskined it might still be allowed.)
In conclusion, the Rebbe instructed us to “ker a velt” (turn the world upside down). So let’s not be on the wrong side of history. Let’s turn history upside down.
Let’s take on the rules (kabolos ol) and ultimately that will become true happiness. Let’s strengthen our belief in this concept. After all, have you ever seen someone more happy than a 13-year-old who just put tefillin on a karkafta? Think about that.
It’s time to wake up and rededicate ourselves to the pure and simple Torah and Mitzvos we were taught as children with no “spins.” Let’s get ready to hear the real shofar with the coming of Moshiach now.
Note: Many ask, what of those who truly have trauma, self esteem issues, excessive self-doubt, OCD, insecurity and depression. etc.
Without Shofar, what are they left with?
My answer is we’re left with the same solutions that have been used successfully for decades.
Maybe we just need to take advantage of them more.
Take the Rebbe’s advice. Talk about it with trusted friends and experts. Ask them how serious the problem is and how best to address it. You may just need a good book that shifts your mindset. You may need medication. You may need therapy and medication.
When you go for therapy, go to a therapist who is well aware of how to treat frum people i.e. they won’t teach you anything that goes against your current philosophy. Do individual therapy instead of group therapy so you get more individual attention. Do the therapy in incremental steps in which you have plenty of time to process what you are being told and time to talk it over with your trusted friends, family and Rabbis. Make sure they think you’re moving in the right direction.
Doesn’t that seem more logical and healthy?
It seems odd that a high intensity three day one size fits all experiential workshop suddenly replaced all of the above.
These are among standard “tools” used by cults to break down people’s defenses. Others are emotional pain, seduction, sensory deprivation, isolation, etc., all of which are also employed at COTS. In a word: DEPLORABLE. And yes, they are often used to further manipulate people not just into revealing things or actions that they would not ordinarily do, but also acts that are downright immoral. When it comes to this, it’s like R’ Shochet said in addressing the asifa, “The ends hallows the means is a pagan concept.”
Indeed. Toeva interesting point. That was my first thought “this is pretty —“. But then he basically has you believing and some will find disturbing and cultish is that fact that I was convinced (and I’m sure many also were..they may have even said it) that whatever we were uncomfortable with was a result of our “judgments”. There was really no reason to be uncomfortable. There was really no reason why we should be uncomfortable doing this with another man. In general the idea was, the problem was in our perception. Our “glasses” as he calls it. All of our… Read more »
Thank you for posting this. I hope more and more comes out. This must be ended. Besides the mind control, thought reform, and all the A”Z background, which are enough to make this chazir treif mamesh, this sounds like it would lead to outright toeiva R”L!
Just a few of things I remember off hand from Day 1. It starts with complete silence. The chairs are set up in a circle. Only Simcha is there to start. One attendee walks in at a time and chooses a seat (people are sorta shocked at how quiet it is and how everybody is looking at them as th they walk in. People get a little nervous about which chair to take..everyone is a little uncomfortable with the silence). Simcha explains the ground rules. No talking. Phonecalls limited (i know we got a erev shabbos call but to my… Read more »
365. You are brilliant. I can provide some of the info but to do the chart thing would be much easier with the schedule they give out. I don’t have it on hand. If you’re in CH and you see a ex Shofar guy he may be able to give it to you. We could flesh it out from there.
366: great point!
From Robin Garbose
The skills developed in B can also be used in a manipulative way– to “listen” to him. What if you “really connect” to the wrong person, someone who doesn’t really care about you? Correct/healthy boundaries are critical to emotional well-being.
People need to understand that there are several parts to this and your summary points out three important ones: mind control, thought reform, and creating false “realities” for vulnerable people in order to heal them of their pain It’s all very corrupt, even sadistic. Yes, one can pick out a thing or two that seems good, but only when they are separated from the entirety of what he is doing. In other words, out of context, which is something that can be done with just about anything. It’s like what chazal say about the letters of the word sheker, that… Read more »
Thank you so much for your kind words. If I could summarize. He’s putting vulnerable people in a mind controlled state and then feeding them his own brand of reform Judaism (at best) and practicing completely irresponsible (and often cruel) therapy often branding people with stories they never had and often with permanent effects leaving people with inflated ego and self absorption which tends to damage their shalom bayis. You’re also taught good listening skills and how to stay present and how to understand the struggles of our fellow men and get over the fear of really connecting with them,… Read more »
No, you should not be a lone crusader, nor do you have to be. And I also agree that this should be about exposing, educating, and rebuilding as opposed to maligning and destroying. But having said that, exposing the truth will by definition dispel the darkness and some of those enveloped, especially the hard core, will undoubtedly fight back as though they are being personally attacked. That is an unfortunate reality. Also, while no one should be mean spirited, there is no way to avoid exposing the founder for what it seems he is: a deeply disturbed individual who is… Read more »
COL just told me I can post it (they were just trying to protect me…a lot of shofar people already have my email including SImcha so…here goes!) [email protected] Not sure how many people are still reading this but anyone can send any negative experiences they had there. Just like Shofar has lots of positive testimonials on their website. We can bring some more reality into the situation with our own list. P.S. I know at least their video testimonials were often done RIGHT after the workshop which in my opinion not quite fair. If I had a workshop I’d do… Read more »
1. Your assessment rings very true to me from what I know of him and what I’ve seen. Just with some slight modifications. Although I don’t think this excuses it. The turning purple is more of a yelling to rouse the participant to yell louder and louder to truly rage against their judgments and “break out”. It’s called “carpet work” Everyone at Shofar thinks what Simcha is doing is entirely noble.They literally yell and often curse at each at the top of their lungs over and over again for minutes. He’s really good at it. It is quite a show.… Read more »
It’s implied from your post that you are the author. I cannot reveal myself on this forum only because of what this has done to my husband. I am not afraid for myself, but I must protect him while he recovers from this. Apropos to your thought: I have some background in mental health but I am not a psychiatrist or psychologist. But here’s my opinion. I think that the founder is someone who has had a long history of mental/emotional disorders and probably comes from a dysfunctional and/or abusive family. If true, of course he should not be scorned… Read more »
As I progress in deprogramming myself one thing that came pretty clear to me is that the founder is probably not brainwashing people unintentionally as stated in the article.
I’m finding it increasingly implausible that one could have a workshop for years using text book mindcontrol tactics as anyone can confirm quickly on youtube (it’s almost as if they watched Captive Minds and scientology workshop videos and made a workshop out of it) and not realize you’re brainwashing people.
Just a thought.
Let me just say I can’t thank you enough for your kind words and… Your post is CRUCIAL! EVERYONE READ THAT POST AND DO IT! And 354…maybe you’d like to kick the sharing off with your next post…just a suggestion. 🙂 People must break down this wall of secrecy. Not by sharing other people’s personal details. But just as 354 mentions. One of the biggest “lines” (really lies) used by shofar devotees is that the “vast majority” of people got better. If people would start coming out with their stories (even right here anonymously) we can compile them and end… Read more »
302, you are right! Removing the stigma of Mental Illness is PRIORITY! why when a person is physically sick everyone has rachmonus but mentally ill? c’v if someone even talks about it. I’m with you!
to #318 IT IS a REAL DILEMMA, i wish it would be more spoke about, seems like an eternal conflict
This Sunday 1/5/14, Rabbi Shea Hecht spoke to the Lubavitch community for an hour about deprogramming. At approx 16 minutes into the video (on youtube), Rabbi Hecht speaks about a particular teacher who was fired because of past affiliation with COTS. (This mechanech eventually realized and admitted that he was duped) Reb Shea then goes on to vouch on this mechanech’s behalf saying: “I would let him be my son’s teacher in a minute” and “This is a mechanech that we should put on a pedestal” etc. etc. Unfortunately, OT has still not given him his job back!!! Yes, they… Read more »
Excellent post 354 !!
COL should consider running it as an op-ed.
If you have worked for or participated in COTS retreats or workshops and you realize at some level that you have been manipulated and that the things that you saw and may have done are bad, please do not feel embarrassed. You are not to blame nor are you weak. No one is invulnerable to this type of mind control and thought reform. So-called healthy people have fallen prey to this insidious rishus for decades. Most people free themselves from this type of mind control and thought reform over time, as the effects begin to wear off and the feeling… Read more »
Accusing people of being “judgmental” is a method used to invalidate opposition. He is trying to shut down your critical thinking so you lose your essential faculty to make judgment calls in your life. Claiming your illness stems from your “negative judgments” is a way to make you distrust your very real discomfort and go with the cult”s flow of being non-judgmental, when in fact they are completely judgmental of anyone who does not adhere to their cult methodology.
Refuah shleima!
To Author
Please DO NOT respond to this sad brainwashed individual !
I attended several workshops including one with the author and I can vouch how the author was a different person once he was free of negative judgements which were weighing him down. I am not a Chabad Chasid so I would like to weigh in my independent comments to the article. 1. Chose you battles: the author claims that cots is not perfect and therefore has no place in Judaism. No medicine is perfect. Treatment tends to hurt bad and good cells. Rather than battle abuse in schools, parental neglect, mental health and motivating people the author chooses to prioritize… Read more »
Thank you. You are honest and fair.
2nd hand yes. But not first hand. People are not exactly blabbing about it when this stuff happens. Same goes for all the other problems caused. The closest thing I know of per say was someone who was bipolar and didn’t know it and it was not picked up no by the facilitators (because there’s no medical supervision) and he got much more out of whack. There are documented cases online about that happening at Landmark and IMO Shofar is more intense and nutty than Landmark. so it’s easy to see that it could happen. The entire weekend is so… Read more »
Did you witness or do you know of any emotional breakdowns that occurred at the retreats? Word is out about some very disturbing incidents and “exercises”, including one exercise where everybody put their right hand on someone if they like them and their left if they don’t. Did you see anything like this?
The author here: What’s the technique? If it’s helping you it’s probably fine but if you think there might be something wrong with it you might want to run that by your mashpia.
There tons of techniques remember. There may be another technique that works just as good as yours and also helps you out more chassidish wise. I can’t really say without knowing what the technique is.
Thank u for your kind words and tremendous encouragement and support!
Thank u col and all the posts here that have given me hope and purpose !
Echo doesn’t do referrals for mental illness any more. But Relief does – http://www.reliefhelp.org
There is a great organization called echo which does referrals for all kinds of mental illnesses and they are run by frume people. I’m not from crown heights but can someone contact them and have echo added to the community council referals?
Just wanted to say that if youre afraid of your name being seen in your email to me, you can easily set up another account, as i just did.
Im just a girl in early twenties whos suffered from MI and would like to create more support for others still suffering.
Please reach out.
you are incredible woman. your struggle with G-d and yet you continued to lead a religious life, raise children, stand by your husband, is the ultimate chossid. the ultimate jew that serves G-d eventhough you wanted out. this is the highest form of avodah as R Yoel Kahn explained at the asifah. you stayed connected bec. G-d’s mountain was raised over your head. you were connected eventhough you were “estranged”. G-d bless you and your family. wow you are such a hero to G-d. Its really mind blowing who ever you are. its about you that the bal shem tov… Read more »
MI =Mental Illness.
You keep talking about mi what’s mi
I googled and didn’t find the answer
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Thank you for being brave enough to reply.
Lets break down the stigma together.
First, you’re right. I was going to say that Torah tells us to see a doctor, my problem is the rabbanim and mashpi’im who fail to refer.
Secondly, from your post i am certain of two things:
1. You did not read Off The Derech, which would help you be more understanding of people with MI and OTD individuals in general.You may think you understand but in truth its almost impossible unless youve struggled with MI personally which:
2. I’m sure you haven’t.
I don’t know who you are but im impressed and thank you for writing this article Its made things so much clearer, I think your very wise.
This is the author and I didn’t know that story but it really took my belief in Tanya to a whole new level hearing it. The combo I suggested above May produce an apprecitaiatin of Chassidus that provides that kind of power without the risk of missing important medical issues. Yasher koach!
If you are still supporting this org After reading this article your perspective on life has quite obviously bee warped to the extreme. Take it from someone who has been there. You actually are brainwashed and you don’t know it
There is no way to know it unless you are honest and courageous enough to really ask people around you how you have changed and really listen to their answer.
Read the comments here with a open mind as well
It might just save your spiritual life.
I’m not an expert to be able to determine the precise levels of depression if it’s clinical or some other level, so I can’t give an answer that will satisfy your precise knowledge. However, yes, I personally know of people who went through major depression for family reasons (divorce, etc. terrible childhood, WWII orphans & survivors) and financial reasons (total financial meltdown), and when they applied themselves to Chassidus they snapped out of the depression even though nothing changed in their life for the better, the only thing that did change was themselves, as a result of taking the Chassidus… Read more »
If the CH beis din issues a pask I think that suffices. In addition reb Yoel and other mashpiim clearly assered this
if you are a chosid and need this guy you are in bad shape.
I still stick with- He is a missionary!!!!!!
What you’re proposing, about getting mashpiim and mental health professionals together, sounds wonderful. I’d love to see this happen! Meanwhile, though, pikuach nefesh comes first. Unfortunately, when choosing between mental and spiritual health, mental health comes first. It’s the foundation. I’ve been told that by several rabbis. It’s like physical health. You’re allowed to eat treif if your life is in danger. Of course, it’s best not to be faced with such a choice. Maybe that’s the good that will come out from the COTS controversy – that the community will see the necessity of getting mashpiim and psychologists together… Read more »
I’m not saying Dr. Rosmarin’s approach is ideal, just that it’s refreshing. Unlike too many mental health professionals, including frum ones, he is unwilling to condemn people left and right as mentally ill. He has secular credentials because otherwise, few will listen to him. We frum Jews/Chassidim bow to the secular knowledge of mental health professionals even as we say Torah has it all. You say “only then …” That’s not how he presents it. Then again, maybe he’s fooling himself. Maybe to him it’s secular info first and fit Torah into that. But that’s not how he describes it.… Read more »
Thank you so much for bringing up the COTS and clearing it all up so we know that its not al pe halacha!
Apology accepted. You missed a vital point. I went in with anxiety and with absolutely no question in my mind that this was anybody’s fault. Definatly not Hashems. THIS GOY PLANTED A NOTION THAT NEVER EXSISTED BEFORE I WALKED THROUGH THOSE DOORS! That’s the danger of going to the wrong person or group for therapy! We are going in with a weak mind , vulnerable and desperatly searching for an answer. I definatly did not carry on with this women ( very well known top of her feild private practice) as my better sense told me this is plain wrong… Read more »
I am a non Lubavitcher, living in Israel following this story on COL for some time. (I am knowlegable of Chabad history and current affairs, and respect Lubavitch very much) In the beginning it was hard to make heads and tails on what was going on there, what the panic was all about. Until this article, I think most of the arguements were very shallow and didnt really convince me. I think this article is sincere and very comprehensive. My little input for my fellow yidden is the following: As a working proffessional in a large high tech company, I… Read more »
The biggest thing that i learned reading this, is as the Rabonim mentioned @ the Asifah last week, how important it is to have a Mashpia! The author had a major change of heart, only since he spoke to a Mashpia! As a introvert and quiet person, I do not really have a Mashpia who I speak to more often than once or twice a year. May Hashem help everyone to find good Mashpiim, like the Rebbe desires! We want Moshiach NOW!
i agree with you – you sound like you got your head on straight! And I would say the same for anyone going to a 12 step group too. It’s basically run along the same lines…Thank you for sharing that!!! I wish you can write an article on that too! So this can be an equal debate on this topic that was brought up! Can You?!!!!!!!!!!
I am familiar with Dr. Rosmarin’s work. It only supports my point. Look at his credentials – PhD in psychology, extensive training in treatment of anxiety, etc. He is not just sitting and learning chassidus with his clients. He uses his extensive knowledge of psychology to get to know them and understand their issues, and then he explains to them why they feel the way they do and what they can do to change it. In other words, he teaches them self-awareness. Only then he offers them Torah sources, if that’s what’s missing.
Is this hypothetical or do you have a true story to share about somebody who got cured from clinical depression by learning chassidus? Serious question. I wrote a book on mental health in the frum community. I’ve interviewed many people. I have yet to hear a story like that. If you’re serious and have a true story I’d love to hear it.
I’m with you, 302! Let’s start a mental health awareness campaign!
First of all, congratulations on your reconnection, and sincere apologies for what you perceived as an attack. I reread my comment and did not see any attack. I was responding to your assertion that a half-hour session with a secular psychologist caused you to be angry with Hashem for 15 years. My question to you was — was it really the therapist’s fault? Or was your disconnect the result of accumulated pain, hurt, and frustration due to objectively difficult life circumstances? Which is perfectly understandable. Believe me, I’ve been there, and I am far from either clueless of self-righteous. I… Read more »
The COTS handbook “Returning Home” reveals that this is a thought-reform group. Coupled with the introductory 3-day retreat, where each individual has their defenses broken down and are made to feel emotional pain, makes the entire COTS “thing” mind-control. The tactics are cultish, the philosophies are narcissistic and in many examples the exact opposite of Torah principles. Thinking is bad Feeling is good Knowing that “everyone loses their minds,” which means thinking instead of feeling, gives you compassion for humanity. “Responsibility” is defined as I, I, I Being a “victim” is you, you, you. For example, saying “I want to… Read more »
For clarity sake it would have helped if the author included
what particular aspect of what Shofar is trying to accomplish, caused the elderly Chassid to suddenly freeze up, and became visibly shaken.
Also providing some specific examples of what people are doing post going to Shofar that sometimes their Judaism is a “lighter” more “relaxed” form?
The article is well written, but I think the author could of proved the thesis of his main points to make his argument more convincing and less subjective.
I just wanted to add. That I have seen many go off the derech from therapy as well. This puts us in a serious conundrum. We are forced to choose between our spiritual health and our mental health. In truth. We cannot separate the two. What is more important to our spirituality then how we think? Modern psychology, even if it attempts to remain netural, impact the way we think whether we like it or not. This I feel is the “call of our generation”. To CONNECT chassidus with therapy. Never been done? That’s ok. I don’t see any other… Read more »
This is the author and I’m sending you a really heartfel virtual ** hug***. I hope one day I can deliver in person for the brave and inspiring stuff you’ve just put out here.
I think you are an amazing person. And how dare you put yourself down! You don’t sound fragile at all! But even if you were, sometimes just changing our words can change everything. Chazak VeAmatz!
Unfortunately, if the author had gotten into it, you would realize that there’s so much to clean up it’s smarter to just throw it out and get a new one. The founder is extremely stubborn. Unwilling to make changes too the workshop even under pressure from his clientele.
It’s an important mission but he’s the wrong guy to fulfill it..
We’re all searching for alternatives here, as we all know this stuff needs to be addressed and fast!
Important idea. Good luck and I’ll help as I am able. But I think you mistake when you seem to suggest that Torah is not for certain people and is somehow separate from being healthy. Part of the Torah is to go to the doctor. That is Torah itself. And as far as self negation is concerned. The ones who I’ve seen farbreng most about self negation are extremely confident, strong willed, and self expressed. We may be getting self negation wrong. We’re self negating to our purpose like a solider to his cause. The more a solider self negates… Read more »
Thanks for your post. This is the author: I’ve been hearing as much from the other women. If it didn’t apply to your workshop that’s great and then most of this article is not for you. I wanted the women to read it as well because it’s possible that some anti-chassidus ideas might have snuck in unnoticed and hopefully this article will help distinguish those. My wife also tells me that women often need more help in self-esteem issues. Admittedly, It seems a shame to me to shut down a workshop for women filling a need that only had minor… Read more »
Is this your own. “take”? Or is it the take of a learned Rabbi steeped in the study of chassidus. I”m not saying you’re wrong. I’m just saying run it by someone with more experience to see if you should be spreading that message publically in response to an article like this.
After careful reading of this very informative and well analyzed article, I read some of the comments, and it seems to me that some of the commentators have missed the main point of what the author in his lengthy article is trying to tell us, namely, This is what I understood from the description, Point 1) COT is a program geared to get a person to start a new approach to the way he lives, obviously a better approach than the one that he has now. Point 2) in order to achieve that quite formidable task, I understand from the… Read more »
I was a female participant that went recently. I keep telling my friends and family that I could not relate to a lot of what happened with the men. I think this article was very well written and has a very strong point but most of it does not apply to what happened at the workshop I attended.
C’mon, my fellow silent sufferers.
Speak up.
Stand up.
Hold your head high and do not be ashamed that G-d created you to need meds, just as He created diabetics.
Who will organize a mental health awareness walk with me?
Who has the courage to break through the darkness?
u are not as fragile as u think,
u r a powerful strong and self aware person, who has a lot of tzurus
hashem should bentch u w health wealth nachas and more:)
i admire u
the person who so gently attacked u is self righteous, arrogant
you are a cult supporter and trying your best to hide it but complimenting the article. it is crystal clear from the article that this is dnagerous which you choose to ignore and turn around to serve your interests.
Yes the innocent people running COTS should be defamed very quickly.
i write this letter with much feeling clearly there are so many that are suffering from all kinds of trauma, pain, hurt etc…. ur neshama is crying out looking for something to help u, free u, heal u i am w u. there are so many answers for u that are aligned w torah and mitzvos and chassidus. get help, get the proper help u dont have to suffer get it from the proper sources. keep in mind the reality of galus is pain, bondage it should end now!!! torah and chassidus gives us the perpectives and attitudes how one… Read more »
It seems that many are saying that Chassidus and Farbrengens don’t do the job, because the teachers/Mashpiim don’t know how to deliver. Here is my observation of what people say about Shiurim and Farbrengens: “this Mashpia is so out of touch”, “this Mashpia is expecting things that are from the dark ages, we live in America”, etc. etc. However, people are ready to pay $700 for a weekend where they make you do the craziest things, because this will make you a better person. How about trying this: Make people pay $50 to attend a farbrengen for 4 hours straight,… Read more »
HOW do you know? i have asked a very knowledgeable Rav- who learns all the time- who knows everything and he said it was avoda zoro. although i don’t understand why i trust his intelligence/knowledge more then my understanding. on the other hand it is definitely a cult/mind controlling or else the folk would not be hysterical that they can’t do this anymore. why are they so hysterical that they have to stop and why are they looking for all heteirim possible- what are they losing here? they are so controlled/addicted they can’t fathom living without this, unless they are… Read more »
You write: “Let’s say he decides against seeing a psychologist and opens some sefer on chassidus instead. And let’s say within a few days his depression worsens, despite his earnest attempts to learn chassidus, and gets so bad that he commits suicide.” And how about “Let’s say he decides against seeing a psychologist and opens some sefer on chassidus instead. And let’s say within a few days his depression disappears, because of his earnest attempts to learn chassidus, and gets so good that he becomes the happiest man on earth.” Your hypothetical is so out of whack, because there are… Read more »
Thanks, I read 278 again, you’re right, he is spot on. Everyone read again for clarity on chassidic therapy!
Why are Lubavitchers so focused on self – negation? Why are we so scared to find our own way in yiddishkeit, like the twelve paths in the yam suf? Why do mashpim and rabbanim scoff at todays therapists and mistakenly tell ill people to find their healing through torah and chassidus, when a MD told me: Torah is not made for the suicidal person. We first need to have a healthy emotional foundation, as shown clearly in the book: Off The Derech. And WHY WHY WHY are we so incredibly behind the secular world in smashing the stigma of MI,… Read more »
this was well written, and did give us more of an insight into COS. You do have good points. I had never heard that the yarmulka being off and being lax about it was going on. That does show at the least, a lack of yiras shomayim. All this could come out sounding like a cult, however some of it sound just like “yiddishkeit-lite”. I’m not sure. I’d not want to take away the opportunity of growing in positive self esteem and other areas of growth. I tend to think that those areas could generally be “cleaned up”. The concept… Read more »
U obviously need to spend way more time and money as u are arrogant and completely clueless. I wish I had the time and money to begin my recovery ! Living with illness, extreme poverty ( as a result) and with all the issues that alone brings, raising a family , no family , no friends, no community,husband who works all day and night and not around much- so glad that it’s all worked out well for u! I didn’t say I was still angry – I did say that because of my hard life I felt that I was… Read more »
PLEASE SEND THIS ARTICLE ALL AROUND FOR ALL TO SEE.
You ask a great question. How do you know if you’ve been brainwashed? Every one of us needs to ask that question every day.
Look up the name David Rosmarin, a frum psychologist and see what he has to say about Shaar Ha’Bitachon and anxiety and depression. He is a breath of fresh air. Too many frum “mental health professionals” compartmentalize, i.e. they are frum but their professional training is secular. Here is his bio: David H. Rosmarin, Ph.D. is an Instructor in the Department of Psychiatry at Harvard Medical School and Assistant in Psychology at McLean Hospital (Belmont, MA). His program of research is focused on the relevance of spiritual and religious issues to mental health and treatment, with an emphasis in the… Read more »
the difference between yidishkait and cults is that in a cult you LOOSE your “free choice” and become a slave to the predator by him removing your “free choice” factor from your system by way of pro brainwashing – but by yidishkait lehavdil: hashem gives us choice (BTW no backing out we went through this already at sinai) and we – without becoming slaves or angels – but by retaining our self but at the same time understanding that hashem is boss – we the people crown the king…
Nice song!
There are plenty of other ways to achieve self-awareness. Open any mainstream self-help book. Or just pay attention to the times when you experience an emotion that is clearly out of context. Say, getting angry for something that is clearly minor. Try Miriam Adahan’s books if you’re looking for frum self-help. Or Rabbi Pliskin.
1) There is no aspect in the life not governed by Torah. The Rebbe writes this in Hayom Yom Tishrei 27. To suggest that such an important aspect of life is not addressed by Chassidus just shows your lack of knowledge of Chassidus! All of Tanya addresses well-being. It just doesn’t give you the feel good answers of COTS. Tanya and Chassidus teach us that Kabolas Ol is the foundation. That life is about making a dwelling place for Hashem, it’s not about me. That this dwelling place needs to be within me and my animal soul, meaning, I need… Read more »
Look, everything is in Hashem’s hands. There are no guarantees in life. At least not in gashmiyus. Of course, people have died from psychiatric treatment, just as heart attack victims have died from the side effects of heart medications. There should be room for G-d to run the world. Nevertheless, as Jews we have a responsibility to do our hishtadlus. And only then, once we’ve fulfilled this responsibility, can we relax and leave the rest to Hashem. In cases of severe depression or other mental illness, studying chassidus is not considered proper hishtadlus. According to my Rov anyway. Once again,… Read more »
It should be noted, that the philosohpy of Shofar is based on the philsophy of Landmark.
The philosophy of Landmark is based on the philsophy (in large part, as admitted by the founder) of Scientology.
Scientology’s founder is one of the most evil people in our generation. He also was a mind control expert.
Shofar is what we might say is a Shlishi Latuma.
But in a way it’s worse than both of these above, because we can become convinced that it’s Judaism.
That’s a pretty powerful and dangerous klipa!
“Without SELF awareness there is no reason and place for a relationship… ”
Do you realize that you are saying that this guy and/or his methods are the only road to salvation?!
Think about it.
Frightening
You wrote, ” Let’s say he decides against seeing a psychologist and opens some sefer on chassidus instead. And let’s say within a few days his depression worsens, despite his earnest attempts to learn chassidus, and gets so bad that he commits suicide. ”
What if he goes to a psychiatrist who prescribes medication and he has one of the side effects, suicidal thoughts, and he commits suicide. Who is responsible?
You make it sound like the mental health professionals have an excellent record of healing. Back that up.
This article is well-written and thoughtful, and free of the loshon hora and sensationalism that has characterized many of the comments to the various articles on this subject.
You cant serve G-d if its not YOU serving!!?? Its like the story about the chosid who learns whenever he heard noise nearby only to find out later it was a cat, He wasnt serving the Aibeshter rather the cat! In order to connect authenticity to G-d we must know who are. Check out the first 8 perakim of Tanya which are dedicated soly to understanding our make up ne,ay our G-dly and animal soul. Without SELF awareness there is no reason and place for a relationship…
Brilliant. And people should read that twice.
You may have just uncovered the key to “chassidus therapy” which is what we really need so badly.
We need more therapists who understand our values and know how to integrate them into their therapy. And that may be the solution we need.
So why did soooo many chabad psychologists sent people there? Including S.Hecht and others they didn’t realize? ?
As a Lubavitcher and a psychiatrist, I’m deeply concerned about the far-reaching influence of COTS on vulnerable people who seek help for their pain and confusion.
That so many have turned to these programs speaks volumes about the challenges our community faces.
Shmuel Pollen’s article should be studied carefully and widely circulated. His thoughtful analysis and courageous sharing of his own journey is most impressive.
well said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
never go there
cults .
I just got a call from a very well respected psychiatrist who was beyond overjoyed with this article. Just FYI. Have spoken to other psychologists who have also said an experience like this is dangerous.
Why other psychologists refer people to such a dangerous situation I have no idea.
I think a lot of people saying it’s against halacha don’t understand the article. The elder Chossid who is also a Rov said that it is 1,000% assur to go to a place where these ideas are taught. That one who teaches these ideas is a masis umadiach. Sometimes when the breach of halacha is so big, we fail to see it. We’re not really familiar with cases of avoda zara popping up. It doens’t “LOOK:” like avoad zara because there’s no statue. Well guess what. Rabbonim do know the definition of AZ. And at least this one Rov has… Read more »
People really have to do teshuva now. But the people who have to do teshuva are not the people involved with Shofar, it is the people who went around spreading lies and rumors about individuals that they were involved in kefira, az or cults. Clearly, from this very well written article, Shofar is not kefira, Shofar is not a cult and Shofar is not avodah zarah. Shofar is not a chassidishe program and it was run by a guy who is far from a chassid. It also does weird exercises. I think that we need another asifa, this one should… Read more »
for me the whole cots was all worthwhile just for that great song
What #247 says is very true but it requires just a little more explanation. Many here have complained that Chassidus “Therapy” is lacking and that’s why people in need of therapy go outside, and that Chssiuds just doesn’t quite deliver the need for most people or at the very least that Mashpiim don’t have the know-how, how to bring it down to the level of todays generation. On the other hand, Psychotherapy and the like, including all self-help books and the likes of it, have valid points, which are true according to the rules of nature, according to the rules… Read more »
COTS bashing has led people in CH to take a very conservative approach to seeking professional help.
Who said that Torah and authentic Yiddishkeit is deficient?? Chas v’sholom!! I said nothing like that (which proves my point that people misinterpret just about anything around here). There is a mitzvah in the Torah to guard your health! When sick you go to the doctor. How does that contradict the Torah? If someone has an emotional or mental illness the Torah requires them to seek appropriate help. And of course, to daven. Just figured I’d state the obvious before somebody jumps to conclusions and suggests that I claimed that therapy should be instead of davening or some such nonsense.… Read more »
Several people expicitly spoke against therapy (#238, for example). Others implied as much. Keep in mind that those who suffer from mental health issues are extremely vulnerable. Given the misinterpretations I’ve seen in the past few days here on this site, I wouldn’t be surprised if a depressed person were to take away from this discussion the message that there is something wrong with going to therapy (regardless of what COTS is, which I don’t know much about; I’m responding to the generalizations I read here, not related to COTS)
268 your point is karov l’kfirah. To suggest the Torah and authentic Yiddishkeit is deficient from any angle is an unacceptable and unequivocably false view. If anybody needs to retract, it’s you. Your views don’t belong in a Jewish forum.
We are a people that has existed for 3,500 years. If our ways didn’t work, then we would not be here.
Ain lanu mi lismoch ela Avinu Shebashamayim
Well, Baruch Hashem this was a masterpiece of writing and mussar. It applies (like all Torah) in all times and all places. Yidden can not go by any other path than that trodden by our Avos Hakedoishim. We have what nobody else has, a Mesorah from Har Sinai. The only self-improvement that can ever truly work for a Yiddishe Neshome is Torah and Chassidus. Other paths are not only not helpful, but prohibited because of danger. Shkoiach on a beautifully-written piece that so clearly explains the slippery-slope with actual examples. Asach hatzlache! P.S. I knew a guy name Pollen from… Read more »
“Sociopaths are masters at presenting themselves as heroes with high morals and philosophy, yet underneath it they are the true criminal minds in society who steal, undermine, deceive, and often incite emotional chaos among entire communities. They are masters at turning one group of people against another group while proclaiming themselves to be the one true savior. Wherever they go, they create strife, argument and hatred, yet they utterly fail to see their own role in creating it. They are delusional at so many levels that their brains defy logical reasoning.”
Who said anyone is against therapy? The author stated a few times that therapy is necessary for many people. Why do you equate being against COTS as being against therapy? COTS states on their website that they do NOT provide therapy. None of their staff are trained as therapists, drs, or psychologists. So what is the connection?!?
Dear poster who shared her experience with a secular therapist who suggested that you were angry with Hashem, I am sorry that you’ve had such difficult experiences, and I’m sorry for the pain you went through. But let me ask you a question. Did the therapist suggest that you stay angry at Hashem for the rest of your life? Or was he offering to help you deal with your anger in a constructive way so that you’d be able to release it and relate to Hashem from a better, calmer place? If he is a qualified therapist I suspect the… Read more »
Yasher koach for your honesty and bravery! The fact that wrote this under your NAME makes a world of a difference in the impact it can have!
I truly commend you for writing this which took TREMENDOUS strength of character!! Our community should only take the good from this to see what a true Chassid should be – modeh AL ha emes- with meseris nefesh to help another Jew
To those of you who have spoken against all secular psychology and therapy: Think about this: what do you suggest as an alternative? Let’s say a wonderful chassidish young man is suffering from severe clinical depression. Let’s say he finally gathers the courage to seek help. And then he comes here and reads your comments, and second guesses his decision. Let’s say he decides against seeing a psychologist and opens some sefer on chassidus instead. And let’s say within a few days his depression worsens, despite his earnest attempts to learn chassidus, and gets so bad that he commits suicide.… Read more »
Right on!!!
Thats why the part of the program that’s on Shabbos is done in total silence.
Also on Shabbos you can’t record anything to re-hear it. They want you to be hypnotized by the time Shabbos is over.
Also if you are not 100 % commited to the program they “claim” that you can’t join (continue)
HAMAVIN YOVIN!!!!!!
Very srewed and sly just like the yetzer hara……..
I have no connection to COTS, and don’t know enough about it to take sides. But let’s think about this objectively for a minute. There are two completely different questions being discussed here: 1) is COTS in line with chassidus? 2) is COTS against halacha? Do you see how these questions are different? Let’s say you/your Rov/your mashpia decide you shouldn’t attend. That does not imply that NOBODY should attend. What about people who are not chassidim? What about people who are not yet frum? What about people who are OTD? Suppose there is a category of people for whom… Read more »
What a scam! What an incredibly bad investment a real waste of $750 !!!
I think that the main reason it’s on Shabbos is that he has a captive audience. They can’t leave. By the time shabbos has ended, their mind is deeply controlled by then. If you watched the documentary “captive minds”, they keep you in a situation that the next bus is two days away. Even if it’s not true, they’ll lie and say it’s in a couple days. By then… What a convenient way to have a captive audience. Hopefully future attendees that see they came to the wrong place will walk to the yeshiva to end shabbos in a sane… Read more »
amazing, mechayil el chayil
#246
You just made my year. I’m completely humbled and can’t even express how that affects me. May you and your family only have
Increasing blessings spitually and physically.
If all the COTS people are bashing this writer for not fully understanding the ideas and programs being implemented, or being weak minded.
Would that not be an indictment on your entire program, you chose someone to lead who was unqualified (based on your own comments), or is that only now because he is saying what you don’t want to hear?
All of life is avoda. There’s nothing else if you don’t agree you don’t know perspective of chassidus on life
If someone needs a therapy is better to go to Landmark because you see that is just a therapy and not part of your Iddishkait
This is one of the problems of shofar where ” u feel deveikus”. That is your purpose and coming home” as a basi legani
And the idea is that you need COTS and finally becomes your religion
its all about your attitude in life- our atitude is dictated in chassidus- once you change that it will AUTOMATICALLY affect EVERYTHING you do including your religious decisions- although that wasnt your reason for going- its an automatic side-effect!
so thanks for this post- it really explained to me my friends behavior who have gone to cots_ this is EXACTLY what they think!!
YASHER KOACH!
it takes an OPEN MIND to be able to realize this and write it- thank HASHEM that you are able to see the truth behind this meshugas.
“Chabad is about bittul hayesh. Those who merit, are mevatlim their own yesh. Those who do not merit, are mevatlim everyone else’s yesh”. Choose life. Support wellbeing for all and then be a Chassid. They are not mutually exclusive.Sorry Reb Shmuel. I disagree.
it is more pathetic to see so many not listening to rabbanim or not getting it after reading so many informative comments as well as this very clear one. if you are still douting that this is mind controlling and a cult and based on avoda zoro then you are the pathetic one and get help. i mean help from a reliable mashpia, elder chosid. i am sure you will get it if you tried to.
it has sent my friends downhill- though they dont realize it! they think they are happier but their actions are painful to watch. now its all about ‘feeling good’ as opposed to ‘doing whats right- eventhough we may not want to”
However, some of their methods are definitely ‘weird’ and it seems that any therapy that is based on ‘me’ ‘myself’ and ‘i’ is against everything chassidus stands for. The author is very articulate and does not at all sounds brainwashed. What he said essentially, is that I went to a program that in retrospect had some activities which are weird and whose premise is selfishness. I counsel people in marriages. It is very common to that secular minded marriage therapists train people to become vey self-centered in marriage. Alot of psychology, life-coaching tends to be selfish and self-centered. So I… Read more »
We could thank the COTS for that
Go Shmuel Pollen!! You hit the nail on the head!
You have projected your personal opinion and experience of the workshop onto the entire workshop and every participant. You have made gross assumptions, based on little fact and a lot of judgement. Very closed minded indeed. “Somewhat like Judaism”? Christianity? “actually a threat to Judaism itself. A threat to the soul of the Jew”? That is ridiculous! The workshop is not about Avodas Hashem, it’s about wellbeing (- something we can rarely find in Chassidus). The Hashkafa that does happen to be spoken about and related to wellbeing is not at all Simchas own ideas but taken straight from other… Read more »
Lots of discussion, attempting to understand if cots is offering an understandable, relevant understanding of chassidus or the opposite. A look at the mashpia- the one giving the explanations SF, founder of cots, doesn’t present the image of a chossid, or even a yirei shamayim.
Even if they made suggestions in the program to be more chasidish and frum.. It would also be a problem because it would still be taking away people’s bechiro chofshis while in a suggestible state of mind….
Just because you are a hypnotherapist doesn’t mean you can’t be hypnotized or brainwashed to believe what they want you to believe…
I think this is the basic difference between Chassidus and the pervading cultural values. I have worked with many bochurim and youngeleit who are on the fence with regards to their religious observance. They really could go either way. It seems being exposed to the COTS weekend could be impetus for lacking or negating their Jewish observance all together. This can be done on the basis of “being true to yourself”. Is this really being true to yourself? I had heard about COTS 3 years ago. I sent 3 people who I felt really needed it. I must say they… Read more »
15 yrs ago I was recommended by my doc to see a therapist . I had a very sick child, I was sick , a million other issues ,I suffered terrible anxiety . This non jewish therapist listened to me and responded by asking me if I was angry with my husband. Noway- I responded – he’s amazing with me ! My parents ? No… Why is it their fault? How about G-d? Here I stopped and thought . Yes this is it! This is Hashems fault! And from that day on ( 15 yrs) I can’t daven say tehillim… Read more »
This program is not to make you more or less Frum. If someone chooses to make a change, it’s his bechira – his free choice. Don’t blame your misdeeds on the program.
Honestly , I don’t think young bochrim should be going. I think it’s for people that have already experienced up and downs in life experience.
I attended a COTS women’s workshop (not on Shabbos) which was obviously led only by female ffacilitators/staff, and while many of the activities/processes were the same as those being described, the message and experience was notably different. Was that my perception, or something other women have noticed as well?
It seems strange that in all the articles you don’t have comments from mothers or fathers or wives saying what a good effect it had on their child/spouse. Only by the people themselves and a little from their freinds.
Put things back into perspective!!
were can i cheack to see if im still brain washed ?
The main issue over here is that many needs help and because the rabbanim , mashpiim and mechanchim are not addressing the problems those who need the help are turning to someone who is offering to help them. Obviously the situation is desperate. The main outcome of this scenario should be a meeting of the above mentioned leaders of the community to discuss and plan ways to reach so many confused individuals who obviously are in need of help and encouragement. They have to find the methods and language that this people can understand and relate to. Just condemning one… Read more »
I think that has been explained a few times. First of all we are in the parsha of Yetzias Mitzrayim. It was the the dress, the language, the names that made the Geulah possible. So that’s the first cause for alarm. In yiddishkeit there is no tiny, small thing, I also do not understand why one reveals his pain so publicly. If its about his parents, what’s the question. That is an assur of kibud Av. Of coourse to a therapist, rov or mashpia, it is for healing. but to mention names of teachers, friends b’fahrhesia goes against Halacha. The… Read more »
You hit the nail on the head. Psychologists and therapists all do the same thing, right here in CH. Call of the Shofar is a form of psychotherapy. And Rabbonim are not willing to say that ‘THERAPY’ is dangerous. Maybe they don’t know that therapists are trained NOT to make value judgements or take a moral stand into the therapy, even if they are frum and Lubavitchers. Therapists focus specifically on the emotional well being of the INDIVIDUAL, and wont usually take the family or community into consideration when advising a client, (very few therapists practice ‘family therapy’, where the… Read more »
This is most definitely a cult
whether you feel like it or not, you ought to do the right thing, regardless of the feeling,
thats called CHOICE based on principle and conviction NOT feeling
#215 “certified hypnotherapist” , is wrong. Rather than dispute what you said point by point, it will be easier for you to understand if you keep it simple and here are the facts which no one disputes. Everyone knows, that the vast majority of cults (there are about 2 or 3 thousand of them), most of them are extremely effective at simply converting and totally changing a persons religion from one extreme to another extreme of a totally different religion. The methods they use, is to use various methods which softens up ones mind, stops his rational thinking (his rational… Read more »
This article (and its comments) sadden me. Why is Crown Heights so afraid of outside influences? Why haven’t we trained our young adults to have a healthy relationship with Hashem and themselves? So that they don’t feel guilty and brainwashed because–for the first time in their lives–they are acknowledging their needs. Mental health awareness is crucial to living a meaningful life. The sooner Lubavitch opens itself up to that idea, the better. I am not speaking about Shofar specifically, I have never been and can’t make any claims as to its benefits or detriments, but that’s not the point. The… Read more »
Nobody truly trusts the Rebbe anymore. If we truly trusted and believed that the Rebbe’s words are not self serving and only in our best interests, we’d be a much happier people.
But fear is a great worker. He does his job really well. I’d love to meet him and shake his hand, like, “whoa, dude, you have the whole world kissing your feet”
We’re just children. We don’t know anything. Our father does know. But again… we don’t trust… It’s quite sad. And it’s stealing away all out happiness.
COTS is a symptom that there is an unknown number of Yidden who are pretty unhappy and they can’t find the answers or tools to deal with these issues in Chassidus. If people would know how to find it why would they turn to COTS?
one is not permitted to put something on the blech if it might ever come to “yad soledes boi”
whether you came out frumer etc. is irrelevant if this can surely(and is meant to) lead you the opposite way around
There is major tunnel vision going on here.
COTS is not a program that is meant for Lubavitchers or whose ideas are in full alignment with the depths of Torahs Hachassidus. Of course!
But that is no reason to treat it as one of the 3 cardinal sins.
Meanwhile, all the people who were being helped (people who were down and out in some part of life) will not go and be denied a venue that has helped many.
i could also see that there could be sublte but dangerous ideas being pushed in this program. Although i don’t know if this is in fact the case, and if it is..is it intentional?? Perhaps if i attended the program certain things would bother me as well. In general as a chabadnik my first reaction like most other people is to dig into my position discredit other ways of doing things. KNowing this i try to always push the other way and encourage others to as well. I think the first reaction to something new should be to see the… Read more »
it was a well thought out and well written article. However i am not convinced. It is quite annoying how many comments there were by peopl just agreeing. Come one..i am more surpised how suggestable people are just from reading this one mans opinion. COTS most probably has flaws, and who knows may even be as sinister as some say (i doubt it). But it’s pathetic to try to limit Judaism and Chassidus into one approach. The Rebbe encouraged creativity and using our talents to find new ways to spread Yiddshkeit and bring Moshiach. Its so much easier to criticize… Read more »
We need to make sure to get through to everyone who’se been effected. And we need to liven up are community with shiurei Torah vachasidus farbreingens and hafotzo with every single person participating in one way or another and then we will succeed in ainnemen the world too umolo haoretz deio es Hashem kamayim layom mechasim un zen zach mitun rebun do lemato in a guf gashmi vehu yigoleinu
thank you for making it all clear!!
Some of those may still be feeling the early effects of the program, and who knows what will happen as time goes on. In his article on col raphael aron said that for the past year he has been counseling a group of shluchos whose shalom bayis were negatively impacted after their husbands attended cots , partly because their level of yiddishkeit had been influenced. Its not all as rosy as those who ar still influenced and are trying to recruit people will make it seem. Regardless, even if dozens of people claim It helped them, if a program is… Read more »
nice come-back
One of the fundamentals of Yidishkeit is that we try to align our inner feelings with our actions, not the other way around RCH”L. Naase Vinishma is a good starting point for this idea. First you do. Period. Then you work on feeling it and enjoying etc. The Alter Rebbe says this in chapter 41 of Tanya. Kabbolas Ol is the basis of our service to the almighty G-D. This means that I do first even if it is dry and tasteless, only then can I work on all the good feelings, of which there are plenty. Finally, Halacha is… Read more »
Many people have contacted me saying that their lives have improved as well as their Yiddishkeit and I know this is the case for some. These people also generally tell me that they did not swallow simcha’s take on Judaism. That’s wonderful and I applaud your growth. just bear in mind that some people are more susceptible to suggestion than others. Many did swallow the philosophy as well and their frumkeit was affected. Ask yourself if you knew going in that you would’ve gotten better than others would’ve gotten worse would you still have gone?
any organization that minimizes the SLIGHTEST din or minhag for that matter is EXTREMELY DANGEROUS!!! Yes, our tznius problems come from all of the stuff shofar emphasized. “if I can assert myself by dressing (actually undressing) the way a goy does and can use the same street language, I will be showing my independence which in turn will raise my self esteem” somehow, with all my problems, because I (try) to live a truly chasidishe lifestyle, I am 1000 times happier than some of my relatives who have thrown it all to the winds (because of their childhood traumas –… Read more »
This is an important article written by someone who is intelligent, honest, sincere, and courageous. It is particularly important in that it can help the many who have been psychologically and emotionally injured by COTS by getting them to do some critical thinking. But it is not a replacement for those who will need more therapy. It’s only a beginning of the healing process.
As far as what COTS is about: there is more, much more to come.
Very clear and you give your name. Thank you
Shmuel, when i finished the workshop that was how i felt! The concepts of well-being and “my story” were important, yet i wondered why we were not told so much about the importance of serving the Aibeshter at the workshop itself. Maybe as a yeshivah bocher, i picked this up faster than others… IF A YID IS SET AND STONE IN HIS YIDDISHKEIT WITH KABOLAS OIL THAT WILL NEVER WAIVER, THEN HE WILL BE ABLE TO REALIZE THAT WELL-BEING SHOULD NOT CONTRADICT TORAH AND HALACHA! BUT IF A YID IS NOT FULLY STRONG (AND MANY OF US OUR STRUGGLING), HOW… Read more »
Great post!
No-one is saying victims shouldn’t seek professional help. People are saying this type of program is not the innocent self help some think it is. Someone who has real issues should seek professional support, and this program does not qualify as such.
Thank you Shmuel Pollen for explaining what this is all about.
Your article is a must read. Kol hakavod!
I am a certified hypnotherapist There is no way that through hypnotic induction you can do something you don’t want to do. I cannot put you under hypnosis and suggest to you something contrary to your value system. That is hypnotic fact. I cannot hypnotically suggest a person to murder, or break shakos, or take off his kippa. That is not how hypnosis works. I know this because I have gone to their workshops and as far as I can tell they used no hypnotic mind-bending techniques furthermore while I am talking about hypnosis, any modern day public speaker that… Read more »
It is an act of tremendous ahavas yisroel on the author’s part to help people understand what’s really going on. As he says, this issue has brought up that a lot of people are facing serious problems and they need to be addressed, but COTS is at best a seriously flawed and at worst a dangerous method of doing this. As a BT I can say that he hit the nail on the head when he said people become BT for the emes and the eidelkeit. From everything I’ve read about what they teach in this program and it doesn’t… Read more »
those who “Choose” not to understand just won’t- don’t worry your article was crystal clear.
shkoach
This is the best article on the whole topic, period. It can be boiled down into these 2 paragraphs. “It is, in fact, a complete corruption of the belief system of chassidus. The distinction is quite simple. “Making a home” for G-d is about G-d. “Coming home” is about you and your own personal development. The subtle shift in language has turned Judaism on its head.” and “Judaism, of course, believes that the most important thing in life is not yourself, but your G-dly mission.” Before we thought they were just strange. You’ve pinpointed what the problem is. They’re not… Read more »
it was written with such ahavas yisroel. no judgememt. Hashem should bentch u w chassidishe nachas gezunterheit and freilichheit
Everyday of our lives we say, lo sosuru acharei levavchem vecharei eineychem…. stop watching movies, television shows, take a vow to never look at webpages and websites that have unclean images, and you will see major changes,ideas that seem far off – to chassidish etc.. will suddenly become part of your life…..In the beginning it will be hard, but like any exercise after a while you will have , your eyes, your heart your clean thoughts and most of all your life back. Anyone that lives in NY that needs desperate help, should visit the ohel for 30 days straight… Read more »
BS”D doesn’t anybody care that the Knicks stink this year
Does Call of the Shofar still associate with Mankind Project (MKP) and their New Warrior Training Adventure?
Many say Chassidus is not working for them. They’re doing it and still not happy. Although it does seem to be working for others they must admit.
So maybe you have a great car and it’s not running and all you need is to visit the mechanic ie a true expert in Chassidus. Not easy to find but if you earnestly search G-d will no doubt deliver.
thank you very much for such a beautifully written article. you should have much success in your avodah and bringing moshiach now!
And get the point.. this article, the message of which seems to have bypassed you entirely, is not about changing a few minor details. It’s about an entire mind culture and focus. The author did not say anything about being told to do ‘aveiros’. He pointed out a subtle influence that is contrary – possibly completely unintentionally – to Torah perspective. It sounds like you are a member or leader of the workshop and I’m basing that totally on the fact that your message was defensive (aggressively so) and lacked objectivity.
Just wanted to clarify if it wasn’t already clear that I believe Torah and Mitzvos will lead to true happiness, not misery.
I was trying to bring out a point which is doing what G-d wants comes before doing what you want ie what makes you happy. I’d be amazed if any Lubavitcher would disagree with that.
you have explained it wrong,
ht e meaning is, that you must make sure you work hard, for g-d,
because g-d is really depending on your hard work.
I am really upset by this article. Some of the young guys who are encouraged to go to COTS don’t wear their Yarmulkas full time anyway. They use 4 letter words anyway. I know guys who became Frum after going to COTS. This whole scene against COTS is making me feel sick. So many young adults need this program and the people who messed them up in the first place are making sure their victims don’t get a fair chance in this world of confusion, hardships, corruption and cruelty. And the alternate to COTS is…. the same presentations of Chassidus… Read more »
#26 (and others) raises a seemingly valid argument that most of the basic principals presented at COTS is almost exactly the same as is presented by virtually all other Psychologists, including frum ones as well as Lubavitcher Psychologists. By the way, even a Lubavitcher Psychologists, is who he is, NOT because he learned Tanya and his therapy is not based on Tanaya, at all, whatsoever, but based on the exact same principals which all secular psychologists had learned and adapt. However in truth there is a huge, world of a difference between normal secular (even purely goyish) psychology vs. COTS… Read more »
when one strives for holiness- he is rewarded with kedusha that is based on the effort he put in, hell get the reward of some holiness.
klipa on the other hand has no limits- so youll get a surge- as much as you want- it will fill u up
unlike kedusha which is attained and received according to efforts in limited amounts.
this may explain why many came back so “inspired like never before that it filled their deepest areas”.
unfortunately….
If it was outright avoda zara, there would be no problem, no one would join in the first place. It seems like there’s a more subtle problem that could possibly lead over time to a distortion of the way a healthy Jew views life and his purpose.
way too long to read, can someone write a kitzur. Is cots good or bad according to this writer?
#26, you wrote: “Every concept promoted at call of the shofar are basic psychology concepts, which I have heard from Frum, and lubavitch therapists. Cutting out Call of the shofar means one should NOT go to ANY therapy based on modern day psychology.” And then you wrote, “I believe that most Lubavitchers today (including Rabbonim) hold there is a place for therapy. ” Both parts of your statement are correct. But the second part is where the real problem is. As I have written before, modern psychology, mentoring, life coaching, counseling: they are all the same–treif concepts dressed in kosher… Read more »
reality is that most cots goers cannot see their own decline. but those of us who have seen our friends gone do see the change although they deny it. please open your minds and hearts to why others are advising not to go. we are doing so out of genuine concern since we are saddened to see the change that you dont.
I would like to elaborate on some of the excellent points the author made. I also found that not much good comes from a general habit of thinking alot about ones happiness and self esteem. It tends to make people self involved and ultimately depressed. Sure, some moments of self awareness are necessary. The Tanya addresses that too, recommending set times, of a limited duration and as a means for moving forward. The introspection is not the end result, it leads to something real. And happiness? Happiness is not something you can run after, it’s a result of knowing that… Read more »
Very well written (content wise).
Read #90 and all will be much clearer.
Well done mr 147
Mordy #2 If someone gives someone else tools to go away from Yiddishkeit even in the slightest form it is called a Meisis Umadiach… you can argue and say that the person would of left the fold either way, but that is between him and the one above, but if someone is convincing this life that you are living should be the way you want to live it even if it means taking off a little of your Frumkeit, then that person is a Meisis Umadiach which is totally Assur Al Pi Shulchan Aruch to have anything to d with… Read more »
From Robin Garbose Please do not make the mistake of thinking that just because this group’s deceptive practices have been exposed, that your loved one will instantly return to his former self. As R. Pollen describes, attendees’ pre-shofar identities have been manipulated and replaced with shofar identities, a process that occurred deep in the individual’s psyche. It is not a simple process to root out this new psychological mindset (i.e. what you call de-programming), and you may very well encounter serious resistance; a false and secretive dependency has been fostered on the group’s leaders. I encourage anyone who is concerned… Read more »
your venting is irrelevant here. Kabbolas ol is the naaseh v’nishma. yes , we gotta do all this with excitement, warmth and simcha however the chosid is saying EVEN if you cannot reach that happinness you are still obliged to perform mitsvos. The performance and adherence to Halacha is no. 1 choice whether it comes forced or against your will, it is ok to live a life like that however Hashem would enjoy it more if you realized and appreciated and were grateful that the supernal – ein sof made it possible for us tiny ants to have a connection… Read more »
Just blown away could not have explained it better great thanks for this super educated article
I know you from Shul and you have my full derech eretz, We need more chassidim like you!
to write your name?! wow! that’s courage. made me read it extra carefully with your responsibility. incredible!!!
I concur with #120. Shmuel, I think you bought into shofar way too much as a “religion.” And it’s not! It’s a freaking workshop designed to give people more awareness of their feeling. If you went being open to some kind of new derech that’s your own fault. I went and didn’t come away with any of the philosophy you are claiming here. Folks, please keep in mind that this is all shmuels take away.
When listening to the first interview posted on collive one part of the interview really struck me to be completely contrary to Torah and Chassidus. The head COTS said (and I do not quote word for word) “that why would Hashem want your mitzvah if you do not do with meaning and happiness”? This is contrary to the teachings of Chassidus. We all know that we live in “Oilam Ha’Asiya” and “Hamaseh Hu Haeekar” where the action of the mitzvah is the most important thing. Of course we should do mitzvahs with meaning and Kavana. However if one does not… Read more »
For bringing such clarity to what’s the problem with COTS
There were people who were influenced by the Haskola and became frumer before they dropped Yiddishkeit entirely.
I once heard at a farbrengen that the phenomenon is like a fish out of water. It looks like the fish is full of chayus, it’s jumping around, it’s been liberated from the water, but the obvious truth is that the fish is dying.
I think for some people it’s hard to see beyond the “buzz.”
my Hashem show us the right way, and end such issues!
I don’t necessarily agree or disagree with Call of the Shofar, but there’s been a clear lack of information and evidence one way or the other. While I thought this article would finally explain things clearly, I was sorely disappointed. Here’s why: Were any halachos really broken, they ask? *Never answered.. This was going on fine, until a certain point in which I explained a particular aspect of what Shofar is trying to accomplish, and suddenly he froze up, and became visibly shaken. He was so upset he didn’t want to talk about it anymore. He came back to me… Read more »
cleaver song! well done 🙂
A big big yaher koach. You have really clarified a lot of things,
to the author, thank you very much. you are an extremely articulate person.
to 26# let me say that what you are saying about psychology is true. do you still believe everybody must go to psychology?
to 159# where did you get that idea?
do you not knoe, that all the rebbes sichois are against it.
Amazing, articulate, brave story telling.Wow. Just wow.
thank you for having the courage to come out and speak openly about COTS.
Thank you for including your name.
funniest song i’ve ever read, wow your creative!
“I do matter”
Because the torah tells me I do.
And “I am good enough”
Because I am a chelek elokah mimaal mamash entrusted with a mission no one else can fulfill.
Es zeh liumas zeh. We just need to stay on the side of kedusha.
its refreshing to see at least ONE cots member realize the truth- BARUCH HASHEM! may many follow!
there is someone in our community that went to the cots and from then he is not as involved in our community
Thanks for writing this. What I have learned is that one must guard one’s soul exceedingly. There is another model which is also becoming big in the non-Chabad frum world, and I have some of the same issues with it. I listened to mashpia, teacher etc. that it would be fine. The issue isn’t if you feel better with it or not. The issue is, is it true and allowed according to Torah? I attended since the summer, always challenging it and always wondering how they so blithely didn’t give any kind of satisfying answer to my challenges. That was… Read more »
You are truly a hero for WANTING to understand, and when we try a little, Hashem helps us a lot.
may you inspire others to see the true light in our lives, and may the truth shine through for all!
on another note…there are mechanchim who may be steadfast followers- mothers please investigate that your child is getting the chinuch he deserves al taharas hakodesh
what a disappointing article, of an old perspective, that doesn’t work……. our generation today, watch’s movies – because they like it , hangs with the ‘bad influence’ friends – because that is what they desire, affected by their environment – because that is what they understand, choose worldly matters over spiritual matters – because that is what they relate too. and in the other hand, learn Chassidus – in a way that doesn’t relate to them, keep Mitzvos – because that is what is expected of them, and I am not even talking about our youth going of the Derech… Read more »
כחסידי חבד אנו צריכים להיות גאים בזה שיש לנו רועה נאמן שהתווה דרך ברורה וסלולה ומדוע ללכת לרעות בשדות זרים הרי כל עיניי העם בכל קצוות תבל נשואות אל מי אם לא לחב”ד?! .
סוף סוף מי את הכת המסיונרית הזו לאמיתה ללא עטיפות של קדושה
אשרינו שאנו חסידים!!!!!!
including Rabbi Broin, Rabbi Hecht and All the Rabbi’s who attended in person
not to mention the numerous psychiatrists and mental health pros, too who went and even sent ppl
clearly the Rebbe wanted it to be in a form without RELIGIOUN perse, even if it helps ppl get closer to Hashem, Kiyum torah and mitzvos kideboee
you didn’t answer my question ,”as es past nisht “??
do YOU here yourself ??
“where there is no divrei torah its s table of avodah zara”
what? is that what you really call bad about “shofar”
what makes you say those lines regarding this case, and not so meany other things in life.
(you never said any thing witch wasn’t divrey torah, and every thing you do “past”) who decides if “es past” or “es past nisht”
If you listened to Rav Shochat’s talk at the asifa, this is exactly what was saying!
Thank you for your thorough and penetrating analysis.
I would only add that chassidus puts the greatest emphasis on happiness, indeed it was one of the earliest and distinguishing teachings of the baal shem, it is only that happiness always places second to halacha, ANY halacha. But apart from halacha, there is nothing more important to chassidus than a chosids happiness.
Does not sound brainwashed to me at all. Sounds like you went to a program with some really questionable methods, not brainwashed.
any educators/shluchim who attended such madness clearly need a period of detox. i’m not saying that they should lose jobs but they do need to heal. we all make mistakes lets not judge the vunerable but rather perhaps we can start a fund to help these poor sould whos minds have been altered and help them rejoin society.
BH
Thank You for exposing the truth for all to see,
We Respect and Thank You for taking your time to do so, and we believe that many will benefit from it to see the Truth and
follow only our Holy Torah.
“Falsehood cant stand, but Truth endures forever”!
We Want Moshiach Now!
That’s chassidus?! What happened to rachmono libo boei? If course we should keep all the Mitzvos but kabbolas ol in misery is not what any chassid had ever done, at least not by choice.
Kabbolas ol by definition means happiness and not misery as explained in many chayei Sarah maamarim. If your kabbolas ol is making you miserable you’re doing it wrong, and THAT’S a message no bocher is hearing in yeshiva.
I respect you and thanks for putting a name to piece.
ANYONE WHO ONLY DOES MITZVOS BECAUSE HE FEELS LIKE DOING IT, WILL STOP OBSERVING VERY FAST.
WE KEEP MITZVOS BECAUSE ALMIGHTY G-D TOLD US TO DO THEM AS WRITTEN IN THE TORAH.
IF YOU ALSO FEEL GOOD WHILE OBSERVING THE MITZVOS THAT IS A BOONUS!!!!!!!!
I’m a COTS alumni and this blew my mind! I’ve been introspecting for hours and can’t believe how I’ve been brainwashed with such goyishkeit!
Easy to pasken l’Issur after reading this!
To think that you have deveikus to G d , and is not G d, is the avoda zara , the euforia caused by the mind control of this brainwashed cult An analogy to this would be, ” i put an ice cube and i tell you ” this is G d” do you feel ? yea now, this is your purpose, to have deveikus with this ” G d” this is crazyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is the classical meditation of different cults, ” coming home”, the exact same words ” come home” are used in other cults, or any meditation if… Read more »
Dear Shmuel, The premise of your article boils down to these words that you wrote “The elder chassid told me, that when it’s all said and done it is preferable that one be miserable his entire life and do an extra mitzvah.” NOW, this entire premise is flawed because it is a totally irrational statement! and most importantly because it is IMPOSSIBLE !!! If someone is miserable, (even for a short while, kal vechomer for their entire life) I can 1000% GARENTEE that they will serve hashem much, much worse and do many, many more averos than if they felt… Read more »
I feel like i just went to a powerful farbrengen! You have a lot to offer and you obviously have solid clear values and knowledge on chasidus! i never went to shofar and had good chinuch bh but i found this piece to be a very refreshing boost and a redefinition of who we are!
This explanation goes far beyond explaining Call of The Shofar. It gives even those who did not attend, an appreciation for, yisron haor min hachoshech.
It is heart warming to hear the pure yiras shomayim of one of our own and to feel secure that we are living up to the standard of Chabad, out of great love and appreciation for truth from the very source of truth. May we merit Call of the shofar of Eliyah Hanovi, with the coming of Moshiach.
Thank you
Professionals get on to it
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There you have it! You might be the smartest one in the bunch! Time to take stock, my fellow Yids, Time to take stock.
I wont be making any decisions till I hear from rov anyway…
What an amazing, well written article! all the people who need a bit of help need to investigate and find a good therapist. this is a money making business riding on people who are looking for a quick fix of being happy! simple solution! ACT HAPPY AND HAPPINESS WILL COME TO YOU!! hatzlocha!
must be another yetser horo
when rabbonim are assering this why are you looking to oppose? because husband started buying you gifts or calling you honey. don’t you realize he is being duped??
the chosid was appalled when shmuli said he is taught to regain his “free choice” meaning there is more meaning to a mitzva if he did it through choice and not forced.
well if we live like this chas v’sholom- then this is a prikas ol- no kablos ol and one will surely be lax with mitzvos because he didn’t yet choose to do this at this moment. now you can read it again and you will surely understand.
it is a fact that frum guys did go downhill after this.
Extremely well written and clear
they offer training for people to become facilitators.
Lets send our best and brightest to become facilitators so that they can run a workshop that frum people can attend.
I am looking forward!!!
I have since been to professional help to be deprogrammed.
א. על פי לנדמרק אין שום מציאות אובייקטיבית! (השקפה נפוצה של עובדי אלילים במזרח). כלומר: הכל קיים רק בראשו של האדם. “מה שכולם מכנים מציאות היא לאמיתו של דבר אשליה”(10), “כל החינוך שאדם קיבל, אישיותו, האירועים בעברו, הקונצנזוס החברתי וכו’ הכל רק ‘המציאות האשלייתית'”. ב. גם זהות יהודית הינה אשליה! מדריכי הפורום אומרים במפורש: “מה זה אני, מה זה זהות… האם יש דבר כזה כמו אני האמיתי? אני טוען, שמי שאתה – זה רק פרשנות”(11). יש כאן כפירה ברורה בהימצאות הנשמה כמציאות אובייקטיבית! ג. אין טוב ורע כלל! העתונאית ב. גריגוטי שנכחה באחד מסמינרי הפורום מביאה את הדיאלוג הבא: אורח:… Read more »
You are a remarkable person for wanting to to COTS and seeking help, and then coming to terms that this structure of therapy is not for you. You are a LION. G-d bless you. I never went to COTS, but when I saw the interview on col with a former yeshiva student who is now a amateur blogger who started to talk about “I matter” and not “G-d matters”, I realized right away this is compromising Torah and Chasiddus. You however articulated it beautifully for me. Thank you Thank you Thank you. Yes, I need to work on my Ahavas… Read more »
Elder chossid is a ROV
To the people who went: Don’t feel bad or embarrassed that you were fooled. Anybody could have been, under the circumstances. Hashem protected those of us who didn’t go but it just as well might have been us.
Now your job is to become pure and innocent again. Learn real Chassidus, with a real teacher.
Hatzlacha Rabba! I wish you all the best!
Now I understand how people became addicted ,including mashpiim, teachers, shluchim, principals, they were ALL BRAINWASHED
If someone who participated in Shofar still can say something to validate it, its a sign of a DEEP BRAINWASHing
Half of The remedy is to know that you are sick
Thank you Shmuel, very brave, and if someone who went to Shofar, sees the light, that he was brainwashed, he has just to fill the other half, with and intense limud Torahs hachassidus
Nice article!!!
Refreshing
Shmuel, old friend, that was an excellent article. You courageously presented your argument against this ‘movement’, while at the same time recognizing that wider issues in our community most definitely exist and need addressing. I think you are write on target.
Warm regards,
Meir from sunny San Diego
How about the 4 letter Word. Is that ok?
Your speaking nonsense actually who ever is still baking up COTS is just brainwashed as the author writes in his article
If this is what they did there, the only way for them to be able to work on chinuch again is if they agree with this brilliant letter. this is total repentance. i applaud the author for being brave and true to himself and others. u shed some very necessarily light.
Thank you, R. Shmuel Pollen. I am breathing my first sigh of relief since this story broke. Thank you for your intelligence and clarity. You absolutely understand how mind control techniques were being practiced on the unsuspecting, as well as the inherent dangers these ideas pose. I have been posting opposition to this group from the start and calls to get educated, as well as duking it out on Facebook, but, since I had never attended a retreat (and never would), I was missing an important component of my argument. Everyone who attended should watch Captive Minds (mentioned in essay),… Read more »
I have not been to call of the shofar, however based on what the writer is saying, i believe there is definitely room for this within the confines of Torah and Chassidus.
We really need to put things back into perspective. Thanks for a great and thorough article Shmuel!
Great article. Sheds a lot of light on details otherwise not spoken
You should discuss this with a rav, amshpia or perhaps your neighbor. it is not difficult to understand. Maybe you can reread this article one more time and you will get it. You are being taught “This is G-d” to something which is not- that is called avoda zoro. If you still don’t understand just take it from people who understand better then us. Rely on them. Thre ae too many people including many who were not frum once who know that these techniques were used in buddhism. wait a minute how come you are so adamant of trying to… Read more »
Wow thank you for bringing clarity on this issue now I understand this stupid cots………..
as an attendent of, Call of the shofar does not in any way promote to lessen ones observance of Torah and mitzvos.
Whoever takes it that way decided so on his own.
Well articulated point and article. Though disagree with premiss. A persons connection and belief in Hashem is a reflection of ones own self image. A person plagued with a tendency for self-doubt and guilt will understandably relate to Hashem and fellow man as entities of judgmental and unapproachable temperament. This person will never be able to truly love Hashem because of his (subconscious) perception that he needs to earn Hashems love which he (subconsciously) tells himself that its impossible. Furthermore he will only consider davening as a cry for help instead of a time of bonding with our amazing creator.… Read more »
Shocked and inspired
To #6, doing things out of your own will is always more genuine and long lasting However, we have always been taught that ‘naaseh vinishma’ we will DO and THEN we will hear. We can’t just wait around to understand Mitzvos and THEN do them. That’s one reason why tiny children are instilled with midos and meaning even before they understand. It says that once we practice it, the ‘want’ will follow. But if we don’t do anything and wait around to understand first, it’s like a patient not taking medicine only because he doesn’t have the same understanding of… Read more »
Yedias Hamachala is Chatzi Refua.
Now that we know the flaws, we can maybe get together and make some type of program that only has good.
we are taught .. soif kol soif sheker ein lo raglayim. it’s truly great that this article was written and published. The young ones have been affected way more than we are willing to admit. Just go outside and see the notes posted on everyone’s windshield and you will see how deeply this CULT penetrated our kinderlach. We need someone to meet with these young bachurim in the hope that they still have the ability to hear emes. The fact that they are running around with mob psychology empowering them is typical of their age – but something we expect… Read more »
I don’t know you Shmuel, but I can tell you that you are a great chossid, BH ,Hashem woke you up from the brainwashing
I see many comments from Shofar fans that still have the brainwashing and cannot see, admit, accept, the real truth of our holy Torah in the ways of chassidus
ANd , to complement, there is a way to achieve and feel true simcha, joy troug learning chassidus
I feel this just learning, and then over and over in mind doing chazoro,multiple times on Shabbos, I feel a like a little fire of excitement
I was told before I went, that I’m not going there for their Hashkofo (duh), and I AM going there for the experience, exercises, vulnerability. etc.
Baruch Hashem I didn’t internalize their Hashkofo at all, I feel I only gained their GOOD stuff and was well prepared against adapting anything that is against my previous Chssidisher Hashkofo.
I know many others who were also “prepared” and had the same positive experience.
I think that’s the key.
Of course Shofar’s ideas fall short when you contrast its ideas to the bright light of Toras Hachassidus. This is what was masterfully pointed out by R’ Yoel. And in that kind of philosophical context it is ok to say it is mamash hepech. Just like you’d say of someone who is a big yesh that he is in contradiction to Anochi H’ Elokecha. But we don’t burn people at the stake for teaching a self-help program that has an aspect of self-centeredness to it. But we have virtually done that to the founder of this program (who the author… Read more »
I hope and pray were not infiltrated. . Please investigate!
Of course there is a place for therapy, as every Rov will agree. However, the staff running COTS are NOT trained psychologists/psychiatrists. Read the articles and you will see that the only “qualifications” they have are as graduates of a COTS or similar programs.
I just read the article and its amazing it makes me want to be a better Jew it makes me want to be happy so clear and straight to the point well done and well written.
No one has yet to state with any clarity why this is Ossur Al Pi Halacha. With all the negative comments about COTS that it brainwashes you, etc. I have yet to have one comment articulate why this is ossur al pi halacha. That would be a worthwhile article.
what are saying?
do u hear yourelf
are you a chosid?
go get a mashpia!
learn chassidus!
have u ever heard of tbe idea of
“as es past nisht ”
or of prikus olnik
or of the koiachof a nigun
or pirkei avos : where there is no divrei torah its s table of avodah zara
etc
etc
etc(his torah might sound nice but iz nit oisgehalten
(if u know what that means
now that we all know COTS is merely a symptom of what is wrong with lubavitch today – are we going to do something about it? or are we just going pick on COTS ??
WOW! YOUR NOT KIDDING ME!! HOW IN THE WORLD DO THESE “BOZOS”GO THERE AND WALK OUT TELLING OTHER PEOPLE TO GO THERE! WHERE WAS THEIR SECHEL??
Kudos to Shmuly!
Thanks for this wonderful piece!
shekoyach for the long detailed article, but still not clear what is the issur here?
i will quote from the article.
(This was going on fine, until a certain point in which I explained a particular aspect of what Shofar is trying to accomplish, and suddenly he froze up, and became visibly shaken. He was so upset .)
PLEASE SHARE WHAT IT WAS THAT YOU TOLD THIS ELTERE CHOSID, IN ORDER TO SAVE THE LIVES OF OTHERS WHO MAY NOT FULLY BELIEVE YOUR ARTICLE.
to 2
it underscores the entire foundation of our avoda which is kabolas ol
may this serve as an inspiration to all those who went and are lost.
this is pretty thought out for a brainwashed guy kol hakovod
May gd continue to bless you, as he has, with clarity and continue to direct you on the path of truth, and holiness.
May the light of Torah and chassidus permeate us all so that no “other-side” take hold of us, gd forbid.
We will remain steadfast and focused. Very soon, כאיש אחד בלב אחד, we will greet moshiach tzidkeinu . When the ultimate Torah and clarity will shine upon us, never to face darkness again!!
its embarrassing how true this is, and how foolish i now feel.
Hashem Help me
Moshiach now
In my humble opinion he’s wrong. Mitzvos we’re given to us by g-d for our own good, and are still relevant 3000 years after they were given.
If you’re miserable doing mitzvos, you’re probably doing them wrong.
If you actually look at what most people find makes them miserable. It’s not the mitzvos from g-d, but usually the things that were added later by humans {like hat and jacket type things} that uneducated assume to be part of the religion itself.
Thank you for spending the time and being so honest to clarify the dangers involved.
I am shocked that I am the first to comment on this article. The writer is both honest and profound. The words of an older Chassid turned months and maybe years of thinking on their head. The Emes that is underlying in Yiddishkeit – Torah and Mitzvois suddenly emerged in a most persuasive manner. It is the true Chinuch and Avoidoh of Chassidus that instinctively smells the Kefira that lays hidden in the nouveau thinking of our generation. As the writer notes maybe this is a wake up call: to renewed efforts of Ahavas Yisroel and respecting the wisdom of… Read more »
thank you Shmuel!
I was there 2 weeks ago. Dude, you’re spot on. I need to detox from Shofar! Where do I begin? Please help!
I wish there was a way to reach all the participants and really discourage on a personal level any involvement
Wow this is unique this write is right on!
A bit long at times but you made your points very well
thanks for the clarity and honesty
Also, well said
P.S. Did I mention this was all very well said?
Before becoming a baalas teshuvah, I went to the original est training and the Forum (precursors to Landmark) and it was the most magnificent, transformational experience of my life. Until this post, I’ve rolled my eyes at accusations like “cult,” “deprogramming,” etc. as just overactive and uninformed. But this post summed it up for me so well. Kol hakavod to the author who wrote this so beautifully and clearly. It’s not like you’re being made into a bald, orange robe wearing zombie. But Judaism is being distorted. And that is the most powerful message of all. THANK YOU.
IMHO is to forget the ‘I’ while still having a healthy level of self estimation. It appears to me these shofar sessions may be too self centered and self focused and use some forced shock tactics that can be life changing in a negative direction. In todays day and age our post war generation has grown up being more open to therapy and seeing why we are held back due to past issues, but that too was very self centered and the problem was people continue to behave with poor habits they just understand themselves better. The new approach that… Read more »
i just learned all about a masis umidiah, and yushka was one to
the shofar thing is wrong
anybody that still has doubts needs serious help, and is probably under the shofars spell as well.
i dont even get it, is it so hard to stop going there? if you need help, pay the huge amount of money to a real psychiatrist.
remember, elder chosid is not rav. meisis umeidiac? 1000% osur? to judge on the account of one person’s report? This is the problem in our community we rush to judge without speaking to all parties. I’m not saying that cursing is ok… A true chosid will say: Wow. what a shame. It sounds like with a few tweaks this can be a perfect program even for frummeh people. And if he really cared he would say: Maybe I can get in touch with the organizers and explain to them, al pi tam voda’as, how by doing these things they are… Read more »
As an out-of-town shliach, I could not understand what the draw of this group is. Thank you for having the courage to publicize your experiences and warn us of the dangers of COTS.
Crown Heightsers: reach out to your fellow Chasidim! Be friendly to your neighbors and acquaintences! People are “falling through the cracks” or simply not seeing the meaning behind our lives and need encouragement and inspiration.
A big Yasher Koach for crystalizing this..
Just the fact that even the best of us attended this retreat shows how strong and appealing the pull was and how covered up the truth was. B”H the truth prevailed! Now let’s take the time to help those who need to be deprogrammed!
What an incredible thing you did writing your own personal experience! You are an inspiration! You have done what very few others have managed to do, and what many are still trying to do. You have been HONEST with yourself and with others and have taught the world about what hatzlacha a person can have when he follows the Rebbe’s advice and listens to a Rav or a MASHPIA!!!! I admire so much how you have been able to face your own self, and deprogram your mind. You articulate it so clearly and in such depth. Hashem should bentch you… Read more »
This post was thoughtful and informative, you provided actual facts, not just opinion or suggestion. There is obviously opinion here too but i think you were careful to not sound superior or condescending. I would suggest that all commenters try to do the same.
Thank you so much for taking the time to write this. Thank you to Collive for posting this. I had tears in my eyes thinking of all those who really unfortunately got caught up in this philosophy under the impression it was real G-dliness. My heart is with all of you. Empathy not anger. Concern not shamefulness. Care not embarrassment. What a opportune moment to reach out to those who unintentionally participated in this mind-controlling experience. Let’s support our brethren and help them out of this so they can truly embrace the gift of Chassidus in its pure and pristine… Read more »
1st you are aloud to talk but they want you only to talk about the ideas going on which makes a lot of sense because if I’m talking to friends about non sense it’s gonna take me away from the main idea 2nd they did not make me come up with a story and I don’t know my story and it’s not important because I know I had problems doesn’t matter where they came from
Powerful article! And the closeness of this whole episode to December 25…. Chilling.
Great points, and well written!
Someone who “chooses” to let his well being compromise Halacha must take full responsibility for his choice and it is not the problem of shofar…. He must reevaluate his priorities. Also…one can be happy within the confines of Halacha w/o while adhering to shofars principals of well being. If someone is unhappy from keeping Halacha he probably ha been before… He may have only been keeping up the facade out of fear of rejection fear of being judged… And only now has found the strength (or isnt fearful of the abovementioned factors.) to actually do what he wanted to do… Read more »
whoever wrote this is brilliant and really explained well the inherent problems with COTS great job!
Many of us do need healing and on a cost/benefit analysis, the life altering gain is worth the subtle/mini set-back. Yes, any set back is “huge” but it is no more than a side effect of a life saving medication. This is why rabbonim have told my friends to attend, and I was also supposed to attend the next session but all the noise is keeping me back.
Brilliantly written. You write: “Especially when a Jew is crying out from his pain from the depths of his heart.” Its my understanding from your description and from another play by play article, which nobody has denied yet, that the exercises on Friday night and Shabbos Mincha time, is focused on getting in touch with your own “PAIN”, and to feel your partners’ (whoever he is during this exercise) “PAIN”. It is clear according to Shulchan Aruch (siman 287) that this is absolutely forbidden on Shabbos. Here is what the Rebbe writes in a letter: “I was amazed and bewildered… Read more »
This is the first time I heard what goes on at these sessions and from someone who went to the workshops. Now I’d like to hear what the people who are still proCOTS have to say to this.
My only critique is that the Tanya does not say that the Beinoni will be miserable his entire life while doing more mitzvos. It says that he may struggle his entire life with his nefesh habahamis. Being happy during the struggle is the key in winning the battle each time.
AMAZING!
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you.
You write very well and to the point.
Thank you for shedding light on the matter.
Thank You!!!!!
if his intent or methods are less than holy he hoped it wouldn’t be recorded and shared with others who didn’t “buy in”.
brave and honorable for you to take the time to write it up as it is
a CULT
for your brave words. Hashem should bless you for this!
Thank you to Rabbi Hecht for leading the way on calling out against this program and getting this conversation started.
Shmuel,
The concepts we learned at Shofar, about how to control ourselves under pressure are not good?
To this day, when I’m in a stressful situation, the shofar therapeutic techniques keep me calm. Should I not use them??
once the mind is controlled no one saw anything strange, creepy with the leg crossing etc. and that he is the guy who is telling where is G-d and the coming home? my husband was imitating the video and all i kept hearing is about the coming home- it sounded so sick but now i understand how frum chassidshe leit fell for this (because their minds weren’t theirs anymore)
Your article is very well meaning and thorough. Unfortunately you have not just shared your own story , you also elected yourself as dayan and judge of COTS and shared it on this forum, choosing to influence so many others. There is no question that COTS has questions attached to it, and perhaps it can have an affect on a someone if they are a chossid with 100% bittul and kabolas ol, and therefore it should be seriously looked into by rabbonim. However, in our community there any many, many people who have major difficulties that are never spoken about… Read more »
THANK YOU FOR THIS ARTICLE< WELL WRITTEN
This should be published and distributed and read by every chossid, whether or not they’ve even heard of COTS.
“UT GAIT AH CHOSSID”!!!!
wow this floored me
a little long but what details greatly written and well explained.
now we need to show more love to all that went and lets get them help. to get back to the mindset that they had before they went .
I’m crying! I’m crying for the challenges that Torah and Neshama are under with the creation and existence of this group.
And I’m crying for the sincerity of the author who has written a lengthy and meangful piece as one step taken to strengthen yiddishkeit in this situation, his own, and the yiddishkeit of others.
Beautifully Writen
יש להוסיף: שמחה זו היא שמחת הנפש בלבד, שמחה רוחנית. והואיל וגם הגוף צריך לשמוח, בשמחה גשמית, אין דיי בהתבוננות זו, אלא יש לשמחו בדברים המביאים לו עונג ושמחה – “אין שמחה אלא בבשר ויין”.
(משיחת כ”ק אדמו”ר מליובאוויטש, ליל שמחת-תורה תשל”ז
wow! I admire you for ahving the courage to write this!
This will help the participants, the uniformed like myself and may also explain to Simcha what our problem is with it and that this is no lynching. It will also explain the reason why the yeshiva felt the need to put on leave the educators at least until they are deprogramed.
i don’t see the problem from what you write; i read most of it, very long, about half way thru you claim “coming home” to your home, is in contradiction to making hashem’s home. if you are making “your” home better, for hashem, then what is the problem? I think you are easily swayed, first by COTS, now by the anti-COTS.
this gentleman found himself on the wrong side of the fence and quickly changed sides to the majority simply bc of a little pressure. non jewish music! a curse word! oy!! Hashem! if these techniques bring a yid back and he isnt eating non kosher or breaking shabbos, then GOOD FOR HIM!!!!!!
If I could add the rebbe did encourage people to do things that are mutter that they would make them happy as long as it was done to bring them חיות in ‘עבודת ה
WOW. Now I can understand what Reb Yoel was so upset about and saw the need to make an emergency meeting.
There’s something fishy here. He was 100% in favor of COTS up until this past Shabbos when he suddenly became 100% against it? Where will the bouncing ball land next?
On a final note, I think we’ve all had just about enough of the COTS fear machine. When does this saga end?
Very articulate, and valid points.
Thank you for bringing us this side of the story.
OMG i cant believe educators went (and encouraged) this
As a past participant, this is the first piece of writing on the internet that spoke through the cloud of confusion I’ve been living with since the whole explosion a few weeks ago.
Reb Shmuel, could you post your email here for those who would like to get in touch with you directly?
Now if anyone argues against this – needs professional deprogramming
this is as crystal clear- clear as day for all those repeatedly asking, what is wrong what is wrong
That was very clarifying and insightful! Thanks
Tizkeh limistvos! Thats what i call REAL Ahvas Yisrael!
Finally someone is speaking the truth! COTS is introducing a pathway to serve G-D. This path is paved on the understanding and “next logical steps” of SF. He said so himself in his interview. Problem is, his understanding is contrary to the understanding of the Alter Rebbe in Tanya. We are Chassidim and we have a clear pathway on how to serve G-D. Open a Tanya, it’s all there. One more point which was a bit glossed over in the article: On Shabbos morning you wake up early and Daven quickly so you can do the exercises of vomiting out… Read more »
So beautifully expressed! I hope everyone reads and internalizes this! I was losing hope on all the brainwashed victims that had no mind of their own any more. I hope by them reading this they will gain back their minds.
the point of the workshop is to lead you to find happiness FROM WITHIN the framework of torah and mitzvos.
not to get stuck in your being a prat and being hung up on your selfishness
getting in touch with your inherent value as a creation of hashem and having a loving connection with hashem.
You were too preoccupied with your not being able to yap a whole weekend that you missed out on the beautiful presentation… where is your integrity?
Yasher koach for clearing up why its wrong, I was a skeptic, but nice job! And now can collive put this story to rest and let people heal in private, they were well intentioned.
For giving a clear picture
Shofar does not have ideas negged torah. People can misinterpret the concepts just as much as someone who wants to distort chassidus concepts.
In order to be batul, you need to be a metzius, otherwise, WHO is being battul? someone who is walking around feeling low about himself? NO! that’s not bittul.
I asked this question to Simcha on a workshop: Does there HAVE to be a “void” when torah and mitzvos fall away before you are able to start practicing Judaism from a place of well-being and connection… He said absolutely NOT!!! I asked: I want to do mitzvos from well-being and not from abuse… how can I disconnect from the past when doing mitzvos? He said: Just tell yourself that!!! It can all take place in your mind in 25 seconds. Choose to put on tefillin from a place of love for hashem. It’s all in your hands (head). Anyone… Read more »
Rav Pollen you are an amazing yid for printing this and signing it. I tip my hat to you. Kol Hakavod. How can the investors of this program continue to promote this?. I realize they invested monies in this COTS business which turned out to be a bad investment – also they stand to lose their investments. If I invested largely into a business that causes AIDS would I be allowed to continue promoting the item? Of course not! COTS causes AIDS of our neshamos. There is no way you are justified in promoting this – walk away from this… Read more »
it takes courage and strength to face the truth.
theres more to his motives, do your research, collive is not the forum to elaberate
As a former Shofar goer and STRONG SUPPORTER I now see the light you so eloquently explain. This is perfect words that go straight to my heart and while I see the error of of many of the ideas we absorbed there I will still forever value the experience. Thanks for writing such a THOUGHT OUT and delicate explanation. Hashem will surely bless you, and who knows? maybe Simcha will come around and rebuild the experience from the ground up. After all we DO NEED help in these areas as evidenced by so many attendees of good, erlich people seeking… Read more »
TTTO YERUSHALAYIM IS NOT FOR SALE A song for your Shabbos table Overnight, a foreign construction, On top of Chabad’s foundations A campus luring innocent souls, To drink from the forbidden fountain. Like many ah mol, They’ve come here for souls, We’re warning them now; It won’t pay. Lubavitch, her holiness crying, Defiling her dearest Chassidim Selfishness blinding sense of pride. Are we not the Chosen Nation? Together as one, We will overcome, Bringing her freedom today. Lubavitch is not for sale! Voices crying, Thundering throughout the comments. You better run for your life, Back to Baltimore overnight, Before the… Read more »
in this whole controversy.
u opened my eyes plain and simple .u did more for lubavitch then all the meetings .
You have some gall to come out with this now… Minor modifications to the program would satisfy your concerns. but to disqualify the whole thing? You are way out of your league boy. You are right about language, yarmulka, music, etc… that may be ok for “fremdeh”, but you go out on a limb when you start getting philosophical. You may have understood partially or misunderstood completely what was explained at the workshop. Only a proper open “debate” between Simcha and rabonim can clarify your allegation. You are using your being a staff member as a ploy to gain credibility… Read more »
I am beginning to understanding what I thought was a storm in a teacup however those who were enamored , are not wicked people and made a mistake and possibly caused others to make a mistake . Please lets forgive and move on and continue to look for kosher ways to help those troubled in our community
What did you say, exactly, that made the alter chassid react that it is 1000 % asur to go?
as nautious as i was before hearing all the details and thinking this is dying down B”H, i ahve never been so nautious as after reading this.
KOL HAKOVOD to the author who was abe to chap zich by listening to the eltereh chosid and not come forth strong against wanting to listen.
vey vey vey
THANK YOU!!!!
A MUST READ FOR ALL!!!!!
YASHER KOACH!!!!
Your courage and honesty will help to save many neshamos. Zchisa!
ONE WORD THAT ADDRESSES ALL THESE POSTS AND COMMENTS:
“AGE”
Thinks about it…..
Is there true happiness? listen to RMF 11213.org Tanya for Teens #6
This is Avoda zara mamash. This is my psak din and even a 5 year old would pasken like me
They are ALL BRAINWASHED
Best articulated article on this issue to date.
The article has a bunch of nice points.
However, it is not so simple. I have been to much therapy within the frum (and chabd) world.
Every concept promoted at call of the shofar are basic pyschology concepts, which I have heard from Frum, and lubavitch therapists. Cutting out Call of the shofar means one should NOT go to ANY therapy based on modern day psychology. I beleive that most lubavitchers today (including Rabbonim) hold there IS a place for therapy.
Well written and very important. If people wouldn’t have been “sold” on this organization and would have made a little research they would have found the same warning signs in various independent reports, for example, a report of professors at the Hebrew University about the damages and harm of the “LANDMARK” methods that Frischling was following. Reports from other educational researches around the world and a very strong reports from the anti missionary organization YAD LOACHIM in Israel that details the “KEFIRA” that is part of these specific methods. When needing a Doctor for surgery one wouldn’t go to any… Read more »
Thank you for giving us an in depth look at call of the shofar and why it was really so terrible for us as chassidim.
People who go to shofar are more chassidish than they were before.
i can truly say i am not confused any more. Most chit chat on the street corners don’t seem to understand the issue. I think now that you have explained it will make what’s really the core to the COTS problem
I’m gonna be up way to late tonight…
From Zen Buddhism to EST to Landmark – Scientology to COTS – Hashem Yishmor!!!!! dress it in a different garment… it’s still avoda zara. the root is derived from avoda zara … it cannot be purified. please read about the founders and how this all started ___________________________________________ est Erhard Seminars Training, an organization founded by Werner H. Erhard, offered a two-weekend (60-hour) course known officially as “The est Standard Training”. The purpose of est was “to transform one’s ability to experience living so that the situations one had been trying to change or had been putting up with, clear up… Read more »
BSD Yashar koach for your sharing these words! May Hashem bentch you to be able to always stay with Emes, Kedusha and fulfill your/ our ultimate purpose – the complete Geulah now! May we all fortify ourselves with the words and teachings of the Rebbe in the most highest way possible. May we all lead conscious purposeful lives. Through connecting ourselves to our source of life – the Torah, through the wellsprings of Chassidus as taught by our Rebbeim, and following the unique instructions by our Nosi HaDor, our Rebbe. There are no extras in this world. If Hashem created… Read more »
well written Shmuli
keep up the good work and educating the bochurim in mo-town
Beautiful from someone who’s been there done that and understands Torah is the only way
Majority of Shofar attendees emerged more torah observant than beforehand.
Big deal youre around a few curse words, we hear it every day in the streets
Thank you.
You are doing a great service by so eloquently articulating what is wrong with Call of the Shofar, both from a spiritual and psychological perspective.
Well done.
And good luck on your future Avodah.
Very well done! You make excellent points!
Beautifully explained!
A true chossid, with enough inner wealth to be able to admit his mistakes, clearly articulated, and honest enough to put his name as well.
Shmuel you are saying it as it is!!!
very nice article really clears thing up!
Very important.
Been There. Done That. Even got the T-Shirt.
Thank you for this thought provoking letter.
all i can say is that you said it as is and this was the best article i have ever read…. kol hakovod may there be only good news it the schunah
I am happy to see someone finally providing an actual, factual case against COTS. Having said that, the most that could possibly be said based on this piece is that COTS “opens” people too much and can threaten a person’s Yiddishkeit; thus, it may be inappropriate for somebody who is generally strong personally and doesn’t need such a “shake-up”. However, the huge, glaring question no one has answered is why this is actually assur according to Shulchan Aruch. Until someone, anyone, can clear state which specific activities at the COTS are point-blank forbidden by Jewish law, I fail to comprehend… Read more »
A heartfelt Thank you ! I am all emotional after reading your clear sincere words which must have been most difficult to articulate.
I do!
I wish that each person that participated in call of the shofar session will read this.
The only person who is willing to tell the public the truth.
And to think so many people went there numerous times and so many chasidishe teachers?
“The elder chassid told me, and this is important for everyone to understand, that when it’s all said and done it is preferable that one be miserable his entire life and do an extra mitzvah. ” If Lubavitchers today would be living this type of life, I would full on agree with you. Trouble is by far most people dont think this way. Look at the tznius levels, learning levels, beard levels. To blame this all on the shofar is absolutly crazy. Shofar is just the outcome of a generation that is getting lax. This is the problem that needs… Read more »
this really sheds light on the call of the shofer uprising….
after reading that its really scary and it seems that that place is really not a place for a jew never mind a lubavicher!!
its a shame we didint catch this earlier….