Oct 6, 2012
New Course Teaches "Shidduchim"
COLlive exclusive: Marriage classes are a must among Chabad couples. Now a pre-dating course of 8 sessions was developed in Crown Heights.
By COLlive staff
Chanie felt the pressure, the confusion, the stress. She had been dating Yossi for over 2 weeks already. They had met 6 times. He felt that he was ready to commit to marriage. But she was unsure.
There were still some things that made her feel unsettled. Her parents and friends were telling her to go for it - that Yossi was a great catch. It was all so overwhelming.
She did speak to Yossi about some of her concerns. She also referred to her notes from her recent Adai Ad pre-dating course and conferred with one of the facilitators of the Adai Ad program.
Together, they worked to unpack the confusion, to release the stress, and do what was best for Chanie – not for the others, for Chanie.
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Every day, more and more young Chabad adults are getting involved in Shidduchim, yet it seems like it's only getting harder. Frustration, lack of clarity and no plan are some of the things that for many seem to be too-common experiences.
The first of its kind, 'First Points' is a pre-dating course offered by the Adai Ad Institute offered for young bochurim post shlichus and girls post seminary, separately.
Presented in 8 sessions, it is structured and organized to address many important aspects of preparing for successful marriage. Small groups, in a round table format, make for a comfortable and sensitive environment. Because participants are assured of confidentiality, they feel comfortable talking about these issues.
Created through countless conversations with young Lubavitchers, parents, mashpi'im, mashpios, and professionals, the course was built with real hard data, real stories, and real experiences. It serves as a helpful tool to navigate the shidduchim process.
The Adai Ad Institute is an organization co-founded by Moshe and Faigie Rubashkin and Devora Krasnianski to strengthen marriages and ease the Shidduchim process.
The very name of the program, Adai Ad, expresses the vision: from the outset, marriages should be built to last forever and ever. Beginning with its signature 'First Points' course, the Adai Ad Institute hopes to grow and offer other Shidduchim and marriage related services.
The next classes will begin Cheshvan 6 (October 22). As the groups are small, classes fill up quickly; register for the next class at adaiad.org/registration.
"The encouragement from the mashpiim, mentors, coaches and professionals who contributed to the development of the course and then the enthusiastic response from participants and their parents has has B"H been overwhelming. It's a testament that this program is addressing a real need," said Mrs. Krasnianski, developer of the courses.
An extensive "beta process" of teaching the course to both girls and boys, getting their input, and modifying the course were just some of the many things done to ensure a valuable learning experience. Initially by invitation only, the courses are now ready to go mainstream.
What's unique about the course is that it is offered to both boys and girls thus enabling them to get the same information, and be on the same page - a crucial component to the success of their marriages. The topics covered are beyond what is typically learned in Bayis Yehudi classes in high school or seminary.
The course is loaded with important information including the stages in a relationship, especially important in dating. It also includes practical dating guidance including a comprehensive resource entitled 'possible topics of conversation', how to ask productive questions and how and what to share about oneself. 'First Points' also covers 'what to know before committing to marriage'.
Participants also learn new perspectives and mindsets about successful marriage.
C.M., a 'First Points' alumna, now happily married, said "I learned that you'll never know everything about your spouse before marriage, and there will always be surprises and that's completely normal". She felt "just knowing that beforehand made me feel comfortable and more prepared for when I experienced it later on."
The course also provides a series of series of exercises through which participants can become more aware of themselves (and what they can still work on), and as a result become clearer on what they need in a spouse.
Mr. Yisroel Schulman, a Manhattan Attorney and President of NYLAG (New York Legal Assistance Group) said that he thinks the course is "terrific". I believe that many cases I come in contact with including within the frum and Lubavitch community could have been prevented or minimized through education at the earliest stages."
"The best time to take the course is before getting involved in Shidduchim and before the pressure begins", said Mr. Moti Zigelboum MA, LMHC a certified marriage therapist, who was the men's 'First Points' facilitator during the beta testing. "That's when one can think clearly and objectively and it also allows for thinking over time."
"Taking the course early on also allows for time to deal with and work on certain personal attributes and character traits," said Mrs. Bronya Shaffer, a lecturer, counselor and mentor who was the women's 'First Points' facilitator during the beta testing.
"Participants can also confer privately with the program's facilitators and professionals, thereby allowing them the ability to get help with more serious matters that are integral to a successful marriage."
To see the schedule of the Adai Ad courses - starting right after Simchas Torah, more detailed course information and for registration information visit adaiad.org
How about people try to make shidduchim THROUGH this program....
1. please give a lesson to the Parents how to appreciate and trait yr shadchan, people involved that invest their time in yr child's shidduch, even a shiddush that did not end up to be, but it's time consumed AND kal v'chomer for a shidduch that worked as they find their real bashert ...very important isn't it ??? to teach how to be a mentch,
2. also teach the friends and classmates how to share names for boys and girls, train them to think for each others, very bad ..IT WILL BREAK THE CRISES OF SHIDDUCHIM !! thank you
you guys dont have your priorities straight, the men dont work, the women work menial jobs, they are both not educated, and they are way too young/immature when they get married.
Maybe some people need this, but I don't need someone who doesn't know the first thing about me to give me dating or marriage advice.
I have been to a few of these courses and some of the things that are said are nonsense. If I need any advice, I will go to the people that know who I am and where I am coming from.
The bochurim have no idea how to treat their wifes. The kollel
Should provide this chizuk and putting your hashkofos straight. But they dont.... And even the most kind and chsiddish bochur can turn out to be selfish and not respectfull to his wife and emotional needs. As a woman who went trough this with the most amazing bochur in the dates turn out to be a horrible husband. getting his ego hurt when a problem was oppenly discussed with the goal of improving the feelings....wasnt a horrible husband because
Really? A must? I guess I should be amazed that coupled were able to marry and stay married the past few thousand years.
1. They will not internalize as well as they would when they're actually in the stage.
2. They, being younger, would make the older girl/boys uncomfortable.
You're not even talking about any particular course rather saying that your future is not worth the investment of 8 courses?
I think that there is no such thing as a waste of time when you're talking about valid education that may improve your marriage or future marriage. Read books, listen to speeches, talk to smart friends, talk to professionals and look into any courses available. You're marriage is your most important and probably largest investment you'll ever make.
SHIDUCH STAGE:
1) Have a worthy mentor (one who's personal marriage shines)
2) Have good middos, work hard on refining your character via Tanya, ch"hN & frank discussions with ur mashpia (over years this will help make you a mentch)
3) Yiras shomayim, When you are principled & self disciplined & always seek to do what H requires of you regardless of your moods, your likely to be a great spouse even when it's not easy
4) Taking a hachlata to live in conformity with Halacha (especially laws pertaining to Family purity & Modesty) this infuses passion & beauty along with general brochos of health & nachas
5) Chitas & Rambam daily
6) Seek a partner who is truly a YIREI SHOMAYIM & BAAL MIDOS TOVOS
7) if it's your bashert hashem will make him/her attractive to you aka there must be Hamshochas halev!!!
MARRIAGE STAGE:
1) Focus on the positives in your partner
2) Taharas hamishpocho & tznius behidur!
3) Aseh lecha rav, (regular monthly duch) even if you have no questions
4) never be too arrogant to seek guidance from Yedidim Mevinim!
5) Chitas Rambam
Remember what makes a marriage work is two mature partners with a common Yiras hashem & good middos seeking together to build a beautiful dwelling for Hashem in which to raise a new generation to know Hashem!
i'm reffering to the view that casts "nature" as the main and only factor at play in determining who will be employed and who will be jobless
From the comments above it seems that too many self described chasidim have lost touch with their own teachings as to how the world really operates,
according to chasidis isn't nature merely a mask? a shell? isn't nature to be followed only because god in his torah requires us to go through the motions of following nature "bchol asher taaseh" not to really on miracles?? but as we go through the motions of nature, we do so with the constant awareness that its god and his will that really runs the show, only that god does so from behind the curtain of nature, and that we must be careful not to get carried away thinking that nature is actually the main equation to success or failure
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some of the comments seem devoid of any semblance of jewish ideology, people need to be a bit more open minded and more intellectually honest and realize that the -naturalistic- world view has been long been proven incomplete and incompetent to explain much of what happens,
chasidus teaches that there are two simultaneous systems designed by god, the naturalistic system needs to be followed but only minimally as a "taful", while the other system must be followed as the main factor in determining the outcome
perhaps many of our problems can be remedied and prevented by more people adopting the rebbe's recommendations as practical and literal in its impact on our day to day well being
case in point, the rebbe and chazal claim that, checking mezuzos and dressing tznius draws hashem's protection and prevents harm from coming to us and our loved ones
if this were true literally, shouldn't caring people who want to prevent tragedy in our community, shouldn't we all be encouraging our loved ones to "behave" at least out of decency and public consideration??
how many financial, health & other crises could have been avoided had people trusted the rebbe's warnings and pleas!!
i think it was helpful and beneficial to take while dating...
Keli yes but Birchas Hashem is essential!!
as an insider i can reassure you that the course BH does include all your points!
not such a good idea to have 19 year olds with older singles, people that havent gone on a single date with people that have been in the system for a while now...
Lets focus Mrs. Shaffer and Krasnianski on making shidduchim and yr course will come along if necessary we are not dumb to register/pay a course on dating/marriage advice/service. WE DON'T NEED A CLASS ON THAT MATTER, WHO NEEDS ADVICE WILL RESEARCH A GOOD MASHPIAH .WE ARE NOT EXPOSING OUR DIRTY LAUNDRY OUSIDE... ..We had also with someone else as a psychologist in Crown Heights and I personally did go to her class sitting and listening but where is the tachlis "DATES" that what we need not a class. NON SENSE AND PLEASE DO NOT REGISTER I HAD EXPERIENCED JUST A WAST OF TIME JUST RESEARCH IF NEEDED HELP WITH YOUR OWN MASHPIA THAT KNOWS YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry, I will support more shadchanim/mashpiim in this community with real experience in shidduchim not as a bussiness, that cares for you, and not a class as a DUMB I do repete..........BTW still available great catch in my mid-30s handsome, tall FFBfrom FFBparents bochur with a successful bussiness, frum & cool, find me in 770
Finding your bashert parnasa,
Finding your bashert nachas etc etc
all that is required (according to our Rebbe is
1. a firm commitment to Halacha
2. Consult compliant Mashpiim in each respective area (Yedid u Meivin)
3. Chitas, Rambam, & Make your best effort in accordance to your "mentor" (meivin)
According to the Rebbe here are the real tips for clarity in shiduchim & a happy marriage:
SHIDUCH STAGE:
1) Have a worthy mentor (one who's personal marriage shines)
2) Have good middos, work hard on refining your character via Tanya, ch"hN & frank discussions with ur mashpia (over years this will help make you a mentch)
3) Yiras shomayim, When you are principled & self disciplined & always seek to do what H requires of you regardless of your moods, your likely to be a great spouse even when it's not easy
4) Taking a hachlata to live in conformity with Halacha (especially laws pertaining to Family purity & Modesty) this infuses passion & beauty along with general brochos of health & nachas
5) Chitas & Rambam daily
6) Seek a partner who is truly a YIREI SHOMAYIM & BAAL MIDOS TOVOS
7) if it's your bashert hashem will make him/her attractive to you aka there must be Hamshochas halev!!!
MARRIAGE STAGE:
1) Focus on the positives in your partner
2) Taharas hamishpocho & tznius behidur!
3) Aseh lecha rav, (regular monthly duch) even if you have no questions
4) never be too arrogant to seek guidance from Yedidim Mevinim!
5) Chitas Rambam
Remember what makes a marriage work is two mature partners with a common Yiras hashem & good middos seeking together to build a beautiful dwelling for Hashem in which to raise a new generation to know Hashem!
(re After marriage or learning a non college-trade, the Rebbe required permission from a Rav for these exeptions)
the Rebbe's negation of college for a single boy or girl was abselute & without exeption so without a clear Heter from a Rav Moreh Horaah ur playing with fire by advacating something the Rebbe rendered as Assur & dangerouse!!
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thanks for using this forum to share the Rebbe's view so ppl can know how to succeed & if their failing Ch"V they can know what they need to fix to maximize Birkas Hashem!
there would hardly be any need for these classes
but unfortunately people don't follow the Rebbe yet expect things to work out as blessed as if they were following the his Hadracha
to be a Mentsh, Middos tovos, & committed to a higher power in life, they are basically not gonna be helped by this course either UNFORTUNATELY!
Rabbi Michoel Selgson
Rabbi Leibel Groner
Rabbi Shloma Majesky
Rabbi Sholom Charitonow
Rarely did the Rebbe permit someone to go to college for his parnasa
Agav, today more than ever, one's creativity, ingenuity, discipline & work ethic has allot more relevance as to whether they are employed in today's new economic landscape
many many college educated are unemployed in today's new economy!!!
its up to Mazzal aka Birkas Hashem (hee taashir)
if a chossid does everything al pi torah & atzas yedidm meivinim Hashem gives sayaata d'shmaya!
dont be fooled by batlonim who look (from the outside chasidish) but dont really follow the Rebbe's takanos in their personal day to day life, be it, Duch to mashpia, Chitas Rambam, Zman Tfila Bminyin, etc etc
those who follow the Rebbe have the Rebbe's Brachos!
Rabbi Leibel Groner said as follows:
The Rebbe considered colledge "Sakana gedola"
& even for a Married women with for children who was teaching in Beis Rivka
who stood to gain much by a colledge degree in Sterns colledge! She would automatically get a higher salary! as well as prestige & credibility for Beis Rivka to the government & outside velt
the Rebbe strongly objected & added that it is "Mufrach Bchlal" "uB'frat Vos velen Talmidois zogen vegen Colledge oib m'zet az zee gate!!"
The Rebbe also told the founders of Turo College that to say that a jewish college is ok will Ch"V eventually open the door to Columbia & other secular colleges & universities
Today leider leider we see soo many unsuspecting neshomos falling down in college even those who on the outside keep their frum exterior!! the pain, misery & confusion to our youth in college is inevitable as they never truly acclamate to their treif surroundings & stumble around like a fish out of water showing a smile to the world all the while miserable & unsettled on the inside
in the Mafteach there are 100s of Igros kodesh repeating the Rebbe's opposition to college (as Toxic & a serious Sakana)
I second the online idea.
Hatzlachah!
namely that Going to College is a kosher way to make a Keli for Parnasa
since the Rebbe said its Mufrach, a chossid trusts that Hashem is big enough to find him ample Parnasa from a non colledge degree Keli
one needs only to follow the Prescritions of our Rebbe
1) Aseh Lecha Rav
2) Consult (& follow) a Yedid Meivin
3) Minyin, Chitas, Kvius itim,