Jun 19, 2012
I Am "The Tznius Lady"
Mrs. Ella Lerman has been teaching in Bais Rivka for over 25 years, but recently she gained a new title - "the tznius lady" - and she uses it with pride.
By Ella Lerman
N'Shei Chabad Newsletter
Based on a talk given to Shluchos
I was born in Crown Heights and I have lived here all my life. My husband and I were directed by the Rebbe to stay in Crown Heights after we were married. I have been teaching in Bais Rivkah for over 25 years and now I have a new title. I am the tznius lady. It has taken me a while to say that out loud. Let me try that again with a little more pride. I am the tznius lady. It is hard sometimes, especially when I see people crossing the street when they see me.
I am nervous to be speaking to you tonight. Not only because I am talking to such a large crowd, kein ayin hara, of the Rebbe’s Shluchos, but I am also worried whether I will do justice to this topic. Will I be able to get you to feel the passion that I feel? When I go to speak to principals at our schools, my husband asks me why I am so nervous. I tell him how much is riding on getting people to see how vital tznius is. Are we up to the challenge?
This may surprise you, but I asked for the job of tznius lady. I told Bais Rivkah that someone needed to stand in front of their doors and tell mothers that they couldn’t enter if they were not dressed according to Jewish law, and I offered to do the job. My family was not excited about this.
Many women would get angry at me. They’d yell at me and give me dirty looks (one woman even spat at me). When I was done, I’d sit in my car, shaking and sometimes crying. One woman yelled at me, “How dare you tell me what to wear?”
I answered her calmly, “I dare because I have been employed by Bais Rivkah, so this is my job. Also,” I said, looking her straight in the eye, “if your parent was being disgraced in the streets, would you sit at home and do nothing, or would you be out in the streets to bring back honor to your mother or father? Well, it is my Rebbe, my Rebbe’s community, my Eibershter and my Torah that is being disgraced. I can’t just sit at home!”
I received many calls regarding my new job. Most people were very supportive and even excited that we were taking a stand. Some mothers said, “Can’t you instead motivate the mothers to dress in a tzniusdik manner with speeches and workshops?”
I explained to them that though all that is very important, the time had come for what I call “Mehn tor nisht, mehn ken nisht, mehn muz nisht.” We should not, we cannot, we must not. It is unacceptable to dress in a non-tzniusdik manner. It is against halachah and it will not be tolerated. When you are boarding a plane, the security personnel don’t say to you, “Let me first tell you about how wonderful it is to be safe from terrorism. Then, if you feel inspired to, you can leave behind your knives and guns.”
No, these are the rules if you want to board the plane. Of course, learning about the beauty of tznius is important and we want to approach everyone with love. But the time has come to say, “These are the rules; these are the halachos.”
It takes guts and a lot of courage to say something, but when it hurts enough you scream. My job here is to empower you to “say something.” We cannot be silent. Say something to your daughter, your neighbor, your student, yourself. Say it with love and let them see how much you are bothered by what we are doing to Lubavitch.
I spoke to a woman who teaches in one of our schools. I asked her not to wear dark- colored nail polish. She was not happy that I had called her. She said to me, “If you would just stick to the black-and-white areas we wouldn’t have such problems with tznius. It is because you pick on things that are in the grey areas, that’s why we are losing the girls.” I was almost crying.
I said to her, “Are you telling me that from a teacher in one of the Rebbe’s mosdos I can only ask for the basic halachos of tznius? Are you telling me that the girls in school don’t deserve role models? Do they have to see their mechanchos with very long sheitlach and dark nail polish?” I ask the same of the Shluchos that I ask of the Bais Rivkah teachers, the parents of our students, and Crown Heights residents. You are our teachers, our role models. You are who we aspire to be.
Last year, on the final day of school, a Friday, I was proctoring the 12th graders who were taking their last test. I saw one of my students with the buttons of her shirt open quite low. I knew I had to say something. She is a good student, the daughter of Shluchim, a really nice girl. I started to give myself excuses. “I don’t want to embarrass her. I will speak to her when she comes up to the desk to hand in her test paper.”
Well, when she put her test in the envelope I didn’t say a word. After all, there were other girls at the desk and I didn’t want to make her feel uncomfortable.
That Friday night, I dreamt that I saw this student walking in the street with pants on. On Shabbos day, after a Pirkei Avos shiur, I told my friends what had happened and what I learned from it all. I didn’t speak to the girl, not only because I didn’t want to embarrass her, but because I didn’t want to appear not cool. I knew that the girl liked me and I didn’t want her to think of me as an annoying, nagging teacher.
When we don’t speak up it is because we want to appear hip and cool, G-d forbid.
From then on I decided to speak up. I encourage you to do the same.
I have asked women who struggle with keeping the halachos of tznius to come to my house dressed in a tzniusdik manner. I have refused to patronize stores in Crown Heights where the saleswomen are dressed in a not-tzniusdik manner... I have decided that it is cool to stick up for your principles!
Then I asked the Shluchos committee if I could speak to the Shluchos. I met a Shluchah who was visiting the school. She told me that she was having a hard time with the girls who were working for her. They were wonderful teachers but the way they dressed was not becoming for a bas Chabad and parents in her community had noticed. When I asked her what she was doing about it, she said she was afraid to say a thing to the girls. I was shocked. She is the Shluchah, she is their employer, she is an outspoken, tzniusdik woman and she can’t tell her employees that they need to dress appropriately?!?
I often wonder, how did the environmentalists make it so cool to go green? Recycling isn’t glamorous and using cloth diapers can’t be fun. Then I realized, they got celebrities on board and made it popular. The Shluchos are our celebrities. You are creative, devoted and so talented. If you decide to dedicate yourselves to bringing back the pride and dignity to our women and girls, and to restoring the glorious, shining name of Chabad, it will happen.
This is a call to action. It is time to take a stand. When people tell me the terrible things they are seeing in our communities, I tell them, “Don’t tell me the horror stories. Tell me what you are doing about it!” We need to be bold and brave. It requires strength and mesirus nefesh. This is not the battle hymn of the tiger mom, this is the battle cry of the Yiddishe Mamme. Mi laShem eilai. I am asking the over 1500 women in this room to stand up. If each one of us makes a decision to dress according to the law and to commit to living a tzniusdik lifestyle, the world will look very different tomorrow.
So, this is our challenge. When you finish reading this article, what will you do about the terrible chilul Hashem which we are seeing in our neighborhoods? Are you going to say, “Enough, from now on I will make sure that my skirt is covering my knees when I sit, walk and climb the stairs”? Will you be careful with necklines that fall too low and clothes that are too tight? Do we really want to cheapen our beautiful, Torah way of life for a few inches?
It is time for us to ask our boys’ and girls’ schools to set high and true standards for their students, teachers and parents. Many people do not have a Rav or a mashpia to guide them, but everyone sends their kids to school and they respect the school’s rules. We must demand from anyone who has authority: principals, camp directors, heads of organizations, etc., not to quietly accept and tolerate behavior that goes against halachah.
Many people will be reading this article. Will you be the one who will sigh and say, “This is terrible,” and then do nothing? Or will you decide that you can make a difference and take action right away? Our children need us to protect and guard our Yiddishe, chassidishe lifestyle, for them and their children. May we be matzliach and may we have, in abundance, true nachas from our children and grandchildren.
-- Mrs. Ella Lerman is a long-time teacher in Associated Beth Rivkah Schools in Crown Heights and a respected educator in the neighborhood. Her father was the talmid chacham and chossid R' Hirsh Chitrik OBM.
I see plenty of women wearing makeup on Shabbos and/or on three day yomtov, Is there any sort of Heter that I dont know about?
Please I really would want to know bec If I could where makeup I would feel so much better about my self!
Thank you
its one of the 39 melchos. called tzavoah. u cannot put on makeup on shabbos. that is coloring ur face and against halacha
Its not allowed!
I would like to study them.
Anybody reading this who knows please write the Siman and Seif in a comment.
Thank you.
For every head that a Jewish women causes to turn, she pays a severe price after 120 as well as now. Every time a man gazes into her eyes, the zohar says that a piece of her Neshama goes to him.
Get educated. Talk to Rabbi Wallerstien. He is a great teacher and would do wonders for this community.
Also, you’ll need to ensure that this person has the same knowledge, understanding and perspective of right and wrong as you do before you can attack his decisions. If he doesn’t, you’ll need to spend some time learning and discussing together until you see each other’s point of view.
Once the two of you are in the same space in Torah and observance of mitzvot, and he’s your good friend to boot, then it’s okay to criticize—if necessary. And if you can remember what there was to criticize.
From the wisdom of the Lubavitcher Rebbe, of righteous memory; words and condensation by Rabbi Tzvi Freeman. To order Rabbi Freeman’s book, Bringing Heaven Down to Earth, click here.
i am sure that all the negative commoents will be from the untznius pepole..because who has a chutzpa to say somthing negative about such a true article?
its became a "chilul hashem" latest and i wish you should sucseed in your job.
In Perek 32 in Tanya the Alter Rebbe writes:
(Translation from 'Lessons in Tanya' by Rabbi Y. Wineberg)
"Of this situation Hillel said, 12 “Be one of the disciples of Aharon, loving peace and pursuing peace, loving creatures and drawing them near to the Torah.”
"This usage of the term “creatures” in reference to human beings means that even those who are far from G‑d’s Torah and His service, for which reason they are classified simply as “creatures“ — indicating that the fact that they are G‑d’s creations is their sole virtue — even those one must attract with strong cords of love.
"Perhaps thereby one will be able, after all, to draw them close to the Torah and the service of G‑d."
Any other form of rebuke is not the Chabad way.
So many times I am on Kingston and am simply appalled at the mini skirts and low necks. And I'm from the more fashionable people out there, but the standards have gone way to low.
Please, Please to all reading this. When you find yourself putting on that skirt that is a few inches above your knees - please rethink it. Dont wear it.
What will be with our daughters in a few years? When they see adults around them dressing this way, what standards will they have in a few years when they can make their own choices???
It's not going to change anything or improve better education
If they would get better education and know more about our values they would deffently pass it on to the next generation
Teacher and menahim should believe in chinuch and do it just for a job to pay theire bill
If that's the case pasut u r killing neahamos every day of you paycheck and who know how many effort the rebbe would have to put to get this kids back on track from theire darkness
"I was crying"
Bet you don't give a hoot about what the women and girls you police every day do once they're out of your eyesight. I bet it doesn't matter one single iota if they break down crying at home, have panic or nervous attacks or whatever.
Does that matter to "lady Tznius" eh?
This is Lubavitch the only thing here is shulchan arch don't try to pull the shlichus kiruv card. If you want to be treated like mekurev then live near a Chabad house in crown heights we follow shulchan aruch! The rebbe expects nothing less so don't pull the kiruv card. Enough!
are filled with love and patience so it will have the effect
you want and we all need.
"Many women would get angry at me. They’d yell at me and give me dirty looks (one woman even spat at me). When I was done, I’d sit in my car, shaking and sometimes crying. One woman yelled at me, “How dare you tell me what to wear?”
"I answered her calmly, “I dare because I have been employed by Bais Rivkah, so this is my job."
Why do you say you were employed if you were the one who created the job in the first place, is that honest?
Maybe that's why people don't accept what you say.
Please please PLEASE do not put on makeup- even if it makes you feel better.
Thank you!
p.s- there is such a thing as long-lasting makeup- if you put it on friday night it should last till shabbos ends.
HATZLOCHO!!+
Mothers who don't dress tznius, should need to pay FULL PRICE for tuition. No discount should be allowed for those who destroy our jewish Chabad values.
Time has come to take serious action. A shame on Chabad that we've reached so low... The rebbe would have had so much agmus nefesh....
Ladies, Try to choose a woman who looks great and is in style while following the laws laws of tzniyus, and make them your role model! Lets work on this important basic foundation of Yiddishkeit and make the Rebbe Proud!!
-Concerned Yungerman
i am PROUD to call you a friend and proud of the fact you are now the TZNIUS LADY, a job most fitting you as i have never seen you NOT tznius.
i have pondered this problem in our neighborhood and could not figure out who to turn to, am glad to know i can now turn to you. B'H
only hatzlacha in your new position and dont let those who complain get to you - they complain cause the know how they dress is wrong
If anybody cares to share the sources of the Halachas of Tznius from Shulchan Aruch it would be appreciated.
see a few articles down...
there is a booklet with lots of the halochos
by 6 Lubavitche Active Rabonim!!!
that is Halacha, "Dvar Hashem!"
here's the link:
http://www.collive.com/show_news.rtx?id=20494&alias=tznius-booklet-adds-questions
DON'T CLICK THE LINK, -JUST COPY AND PUT INTO ADDRESS BAR ' target='_blank'>http://www.collive.com/show_news.rtx?id=20527&alias=for-download-tznius-booklet
and see the discussions (so you don't need to over-chew old discussions...
http://www.collive.com/show_news.rtx?id=20494&alias=tznius-booklet-adds-questions
DON'T CLICK THE LINK, -JUST COPY AND PUT INTO ADDRESS BAR
maybe if girls and ladies understood the consequences of dressing immodestly how it can make their daughters go after boys at a young age..... or loose the whole feeling for what they are learning about all day ...it may change things....
when a child sees his mother rebelling against the basic rules of our culture then they have the green light to rebel against their parents and get into all sorts of trouble...
the concept of reverse psychology applies more to adults then it does to young children....adults are just BIGGER babies....with the same nature....if you yell a kid not to go somewhere , within a day or two he will go ..... because you told him not to...now he/she is curious.... and also doesn't like to be told what to do.....
but if you explain the dangers of kidnapping, and that its really is in his/her best interest not to go there he/she may just listen.....he/she doesn't feel controlled.....no one wants to feel controlled...we fight control....every human being needs some level of individuality ....its how we are....
so if we can instil into our children the concept of kirvas eloikim LEE tov...that its simply a better happier safer life to go in these way they will do what's best for them in their own eyes not just in yours
please let me know what you think
psychologist
there is something ugly about anonymous nasty vicious comments
truly ugly
Ella - keep doing what's right and don't read anonymous comments
http://www.chabad.org/1547902
(copy and paste link, as it won't work otherwise)
an overtired 19 yr old
Take the time and $ to buy a book called òåæ åäãø ìáåùä by Rabbi Elyau Falk. has the halochos and sources for every halocha under the sun (in tznius) don't blame any aveiros on ignorance of yourself and others.
for example: having the skirt covering your knee even when sitting. is written by our rebbe brought in lekutei sichos!
It's nice to see a COL article with a name. It shows that you stand up for what you believe. Kol Hakavod. Also, I can agree with the school enforcing their rules, they have a right to.
Here are a few things that you should strongly consider,
1) It is not okay to label "dark nail polish" and you're own standards of tzniyus, as against halacha
2) It is rather peculiar that you have to tell a teacher about about her nail polish. Either the teacher is a good, chassidishe teacher which in that case who cares about her nail polish color!!!! or the nail polish color, in your mind, is just a symptom of how she is really not chasidish then she should probably not be a teacher in your school in the first place, changing her nail polish is the last thing you should do.
3) This may be relevant to a school but there's no way that this position of "tzinius lady" has any bearing in the real world.
actually- it is those that dont dress tznius that are humiliating us as lubavitchers and are not "the lubavitch way". i dont understand how ppl dress in an insulting way to lubavitch- then point to those who are trying to help and say "that's not lubavitch way??"
anyway, i was shocked to see how teachers can dress in the streets and for that reason cannot send my daughters to that school. Baruch Hashem for those who set standards for their teachers and students and enforce them!
Men, it is in your hands!!
YOU ARE DOING WHAT I WAS TOO EMBARESSED TO DO. I LIVE OUT OF TOWN AND EVERY TIME I COME BACK TO CROWN HEIGHTS, I AM SHOCKED AS TO HOW SOME WOMAN DRESS.
The other day, my husband was on the street and a young lady was walking with chilren. Hw said that he doesn't know if she was married or not, but did look like she forgot to put on her skirt. He and an other man gave each other looks. "i can't walk in Crown HEIGHTS. It's much worse than Florida. " He coulnd't hold himself back and told her that she forgot to put on her skirt and be ashamed of herself for trying to make men sin".
He asked me why a woman would want to dress like that. If she has a husband, why would she want to flount her body.
I really did not know how to answer him.TALK ABOUT THE LACK OF TZNIUS IN CROWN HEIGHTS. They are young people, and young wives. If we are tring to get others closer to yiddishket, we should correct our own defisinshes.
Peo;ple from out of the area DO
First by feeling and displaying unconditional love to others, and then explaining the beauty of tzniyus:
By dressing tzniyusdikly we are allowing our inner personality and character to shine through, sending the message that we have a lot more to offer than just our appearances.
when the torah teaches about ishas sotah, it says that removing the hair covering is embarassing. if someone decides to walk in CH with their hair uncovered, according to torah, she should be embarassed. it's quite sad that a person has to be told that they're doing an embarassing action. the woman is so disensitized! if the woman has to be told by an outsider (mrs lerman) that she's not dressed accordingly, it's ok to feel criticized. you are being criticized. DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!
To #34 who writes does Mrs lerman think about if the other woman if also cries? it's a good action to cry. it means that you feel bad about the situation. mrs lerman feels bad to see what lubavitch has come to, and the woman is crying because she had a wake up call.
mrs lermans intention is not to embarass - it's to wake up the lady and make her aware of her lack of standards. if the woman claims that she's embarassed - she's using the wrong description. she may be embarassed to be told that in front of other women. but if she was really proud of how she was dressed, why would she be embarassed? because deep down she knows that she's wrong.
when girls in camp go around on trips in the summer and people ask why they're all wearing long jean skirts and looking "weird" according to the world's standards, the girls are not embarassed - they're proud. it's ok to look "weird" to the world if you're proud of who you are.
and if you're scared that you'll be embarassed - make sure to dress tzniusdik. and without realizing it, you'll feel alot better too!!
kol hakovod mrs lerman!!!
Don't be nispa'el! YOU are bringing Moshiach!
"hello...welcome to america! being frum was part of the old country! nobody cares what you have to say!"
but people do care. look at the changes that have happpened because the Rebbe said "america is NISHT andersh!" same thing, 2012 is nisht andersht
firstly maybe for you but tznius is a very hard thing for alot of ppl yes the laws are black and white but remember i dont know about you rebetzin but ppl are only human and maybe you should give lectures or s/t screaming at ppl will only turn them off. who knows you could have already turned ppl away from yidishkeit. it has nothing to do wth that plane moshel you said thats ridiculos i know you have the right intentions but your wish will only be fulfilled if you do it properly. GIVE LECTURES OF THE BEAUTY OF TZNIUS IT IS MANDATORY. - DO NOT SCEAM AT PPL.
But this approach is the opposite of that classic Israeli expression: al tehi tzodek, tihiye chacham. B'chochma isberiru....
the schools need to show and explain what they are about.
What about the love deficiency in our community?
How many children, teens and even adults are neglected, shunned and even rejected every day?!
There are so many people in our neighborhood with no true friends, nobody who loves them and is there for them when they are in distress, they have no shoulder to cry on, nobody to rely on!
Often many of these people do not conform to the rules of our community. Their non-conformity is often an expression of them crying out to others: 'Look at me, there is something wrong with me, I need help! Please pay attention to me!'
But instead we ignore that, and we just yell at them for their deficiencies in their behavior or dress or any other fault we can find.
If there is anybody who wants to make a real difference in others lives in our community in a true and effective way, the only way to do it is to love. If you will show love to another in a way that they know it, they will feel embarrassed and it will even hurt them to do anything that disturbs you.
Nobody went in front of the Rebbe in a manner that would hurt him, not because he would, Chas Vesholom, yell at them, but because they knew he loved them.
That is what I remember the Rebbe teaching me, I hope others remember the same.
"Well, it is my Rebbe, my Rebbe’s children, the Eibershter's children and my fellow Jews that are being disgraced. I can’t just sit at home!”
All due respect to Mrs. Lerman but it seems she enjoys policing other peoples lives instead if her own - she even asked to do it. She would be well served working on her own tzinius, acting as a living example, then pointing out flaws to other people - especially young emotionally sensitive girls/children. I can't imagine the Rebbe approving of someone designated - in this case self appointed - to point out other people their flaws. She could make better use of her time.
SURELY YOU HEARD OF THE BURGLAR WHO BROKE INTO A HOME, FELL AND BROKE SOME BONES.. HE SUED THE OWNER FOR HIS INJURIES?!?. THE LADIES "WALKING THE STREETS" INAPPROPRIATELY DRESSED IN THIS SCHUNA ARE BREAKING IN AND THEN COMPLAIN ABOUT THE NEGATIVE RESPONSE SAYING IT CAUSES THEM EMBARRASSMENT?. C'MON GALS, YOU ARE NO DIFFERENT THAN THE BURGLAR.. YOU BREAK IN WITH IMPROPER DRESS AND BEHAVIOR AND EXPECT RESPECT?????
WHAT EXACTLY ARE YOU TRYING TO PROVE??
DO YOU ENJOY THE ATTENTION FROM SOMEONE ELSE'S SPOUSE? R U HAPPY WHEN YOUR'S IS BUSY EYING ANOTHER GAL STRUTING THE STREET INAPPROPRIATELY DRESSED? THIS IS ENDLESS AND THE FINAL RESULT IS NOT A HAPPY ONE. THE WAY IT WAS, WORKED –WE HAD COHESIVE MARRIAGES THAT LASTED AND WHAT DO WE HAVE NOW?
IT DOES NOT TAKE A ROCKET SCIENTIST TO SEE WHERE WE WERE AND WE ARE NOW.
APPROPRIATE BEGGINIINGS RESULTS IN POSITIVE ENDINGS.
LET’S PRAY THAT WE SEE THE GEULA NOW!!!
Mrs. Ella Lerman, you are a true Eshes Chayil.
A valiant Chayal/soldier of the Rebbe -
Courageous, forthright, full of caring and Mesirus Nefesh.
I am proud to call consider you my friend and treasure your efforts on behalf of this noble cause - Tznius
With great respect and admiration,
Molly Resnick
Bnos Melech B'Yachad
how you can and should improve . Instead of getting offended
please realize that the Laws of Tznius apply to you as well.
hatzlacha to all who work on tznius
The yenta haters who don't like this community's new standards just resent they're too unattractive to dress this way.
But their Sheitels are long, silky and sleek.
And there is nothing wrong.
This is something the older women have a hard time with, because in their day Sheitels were made out of straw, and therefore didn't go past shoulder length.
Maybe a rov can pasken what is the appropriate length?
The girl who's slowly shedding her tznius is silently asking you for far deeper assistance than tznius discipline. Perhaps, if mechanchim could start listening to their students; relating to them on a real level; promoting authenticity in yiddishkeit rather than a flawless reputation; dignifying the challenge that students/families have rather than shaming; addressing emotional, psychological and intimate issues frankly; then maybe, just maybe, we wouldn't have to run around town like chickens without heads, trying to put the concept of tznius back on the map.
WAKE UP CROWN HEIGHTS! THIS COMMUNITY OUGHT BE THE MOST BEAUTIFUL, HAPPY, HEALTHY, AND YES, TZNIUS PLACE, BUT WE HAVE MADE IT A COMMUNITY THAT WHISPERS OF NOTHING BUT REPUTATIONS, FAMILY STATUS, AND HOW TO BEST HIDE IMPERFECTIONS.
Focus on the button, and the girl will close it now, but leave much more than the button behind in years to come.
Focus on the girl, and the buttons will close of their own accord.
Want to reinstate tznius? Reinstate authenticity, emotional health, community maturity, genuine connection to Hashem, and people will dress differently without being told.
I am sure that many of us have experienced situations that put us to the test, on either side of the fence.
I found myself taking a stand with a Shliach regarding office staff. A particular sect'y was not dressing tzniyusdik and working in a Chabad office with Shluchim. I suggested that a sign be posted with an office dress code. I was told that it would offend this woman as she would realize it was targeting her. I was shocked to say the least! (men, husband can also take this wake up call for the sake of tzniyus...their wives need you!)
It turns out that it was discovered that this worker was a non-Jew after all and the Rebbe's mosad was compromised over a long period of time.
When something is the right thing al pi Torah there should be no compromise. In the end, the truth speaks for itself. There is no justification for compromise. Why is this kuleh any different than reform Judaism r'l making compromises as they see fit, toying with our Holy Torah.
I invite my fellow sisters to wake up to standing tall in our responsibilities with the koach of our Rabbayim, and bringing up a generation of children who will greet Moshiach!
We see how well that worked out.
BTW Can we ask the Lubavitch boys to tuck their shirts in :) It isn't about tznius, but they look like zhlobs.
Thank you for setting some standards, it's about time. I really hope it's not too late.
I'm sure you can take strength from knowing how proud the Rebbe must be! May Hashem bless you and your family! and may this important work you are doing bring moshiach now!!
I live on shlichus in a country where people walk around soo untzniusdik (to say it nicely - without getting tooo descriptive)) and I don't live near a beach but in middle of the city! All I can say is that you can clearly see what a disgrace it is to a woman, and seeing billboard of undressed women, I feel uncomfortable, especially if walking with my husband and especially my sons! Hashem gives us these laws FOR OUR BENEFIT - FOR OUR PROTECTION - b'gashmius Ub'ruchniyus. it's NOT easy! When a non- lubaitcher relative started criticizing - I explained that this is the nisayon of our time -so the yetzer horah works overtime!FOr those who don't have this problem don't judge - it is a nisayon, be happy you don't have this yetzer horah - butwe all have one! Let's not judge others - one either side but encourage each other in the right direction !
May we greet Moshiach NOW!
The point that Mrs. Lerman and so many other well intentioned but grossly misguided souls are missing is this - the more you push the extreme, the more people will push back. Chabad today is becoming less and less the Chabad I knew and grew up with. We have become petty, we've become intolerant, we've become overly judgmental, we've started to demonize anyone who we think it not up to par, we write off boys and girls too easily, we threaten to kick kids out of school for "problems" that were not problems a few years ago ... we've become everything we used to look down on as extreme. And the price we pay for pushing too hard to one side is what we are experiencing today, and tznius is just part of the problem.
Or put differently, the tznius problem is not a problem, it's a symptom. And if you want to address the problem, well, you need to address the real problem.
for those that think that this is a tzniyus issue, note that reb yochanan would sit outside where the women were...
"I was shaking and crying"
"I was crying"
Bet you don't give a hoot about what the women and girls you police every day do once they're out of your eyesight. I bet it doesn't matter one single iota if they break down crying at home, have panic or nervous attacks or whatever.
Does that matter to "lady Tznius" eh?
Thats the Merirus and Hirhur Teshuva the Kakla penimaah d'lo ishtama that the Rebbe Rashab discusses at the beginning of Samech Vav. Nothing to worry about there...
"That Friday night, I dreamt that I saw this student walking in the street with pants on. On Shabbos day, after a Pirkei Avos shiur, I told my friends what had happened and what I learned from it all. I didn’t speak to the girl, not only because I didn’t want to embarrass her, but because I didn’t want to appear not cool. I knew that the girl liked me and I didn’t want her to think of me as an annoying, nagging teacher.
When we don’t speak up it is because we want to appear hip and cool, G-d forbid."
You sounded so true to being a true mechanech. You were showing how midos tovos override embarrassment. But then you gave a story about a girl, who you dreamt wore pants- and therefore it was a sign. How do you know that having a dream about someone wearing "untznius" clothing just means that you think about the girls who are not dressed modestly all day so much that it affects you at night.
Besides, how does that prove that you want to be a cool teacher? Maybe not speaking up -in that case- was a case where you actually made sure to be tznius yourself.
Tznius is not just a tribute of what you wear. It is moreso about how one acts. I agree with MOST of your thoughts-however, as a mechanech you must teach midos derech eretz before scolding girls over one button (which probably was an accident if she is the daughter of a shluchim).
If i learned anything from chabad/lubavitch it is that being receptive of people who may not be up to YOUR frum standards could go a long way to being mikarev many jews in the future. - Getting to the point where you are crying and other women are spitting does not help our cause. The batei Hamikdash were not destroyed because women had short skirts or opened thier shirt a tad too low for other women, but because jews fought with each other.......
your job puts you in a very difficult spot halachically, make sure to bring us closer to binyan yerushalayim shlishi b'miheira viyamenu amein
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/babylonbeyond/2010/05/iran-fashion-crackdown.html
Also #19: "for every head that a Jewish women causes to turn, she pays a severe price after 120 as well as now. Every time a man gazes into her eyes, the zohar says that a piece of her Neshama goes to him." this is b.s. there is a reason the zohar isn't supposed to be learned until you are 40. BARELY ANY OF US ARE ON THIS LEVEL!
IT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE!!PLEASE!!!give a thought to the younger generation thaat are looking at you.halacha is halachaa no matterr what century we are in!!you can look just as good with a longer skirt,closed neck,etc.fashion is not an excuse for not keeping basic halacha.aannybody who is unsure about what the halavchos are,can easily look them up or talk to a mashpia.
Gimmel tamuz is coming.let's try to improve.there is so much at stake.
A heartbroken lubavitcher
Just giving a practical suggestion -it is a big undertaking if someone has the means and wants to act on it.
Would love to hear reactions - what others think aboutt this
note to collive: maybe publish this seperately to see if there is an interest for this
I behave and dress modestly in my life as do my wife and children. All in the letter and spirit of halacha, hantzna leches etc etc. In general I believe most of the tznius problem emanates from the men so I do my part.
To the self described "tznius lady": I would reccomend you focus on improving yourself first and foremost and if you truly love someone then by all means encourage them to become better as well...
The problem is that while your heart is seemingly in the right place you miss the big picture. I think the reason you're getting the negative responses is because you care more about tznius (a very important issue, granted) and less about people.
Be judgemental by all means (I know I am). Just understand that people have no patience for someone who lectures them about one thing and otherwise couldnt give a darn about other struggles they may be facing.
Sorry but you're no hero. Do a favor for a fellow jew - in GASHMIYUS. I promise you that if you do a favor for a fellow Jew even if it makes you uncomfortable (especially if it makes you uncomfortable) you will have accomplished much more than by having lectured them on their tznius. Your fellow jews gashmiyus is your ruchniyus and if you care about them they'll care about you too.
Learn from the Rebbe. I and countless others harbor such a strong feeling of love towards the Rebbe. The Rebbe knew our failings more than we cared to admit. The rebuke was sometimes sharp and most deservedly so. Yet the love was always there. Enduring. And that's why even people like me who are way on the bottom of the tanyas totem pole of will do whatever we can because and only because the Rebbe asked it from us.
Anyway leave the girls and women alone. Lav achbra ganav chura ganav.
Notice how most people have been wating for someone like you to take the stand
THANK YOU!
1) You are correct. We should not be dragging the Rebbe’s name into this. Tznius is a law in Shulchan Aruch and not lifnim m’shuras ha-din i.e. chasidishkeit.
2) You are correct. The Rebbe’s actions in your story are opposite to this lady’s actions. Then again, after making a person feel welcome the Rebbe always demanded of EVERY individual, regardless of level, that they increase in their level of observance. He never accepted the status quo.
3) You are correct. One must inform and inspire through education and voluntary action. So what are you doing to inform and inspire others?
4) I presume you are also #71. You are correct. We should not humiliate people and if we do it will most likely be ineffectual and may cause them to be even more extreme.
In Hayom Yom it discusses the correct method for rebuking others. It has also been the topic of the Daily Dose on Chabad.org the last couple of days. May I suggest that Mrs. Lerman review these pisgamim with their references and consider modifying her tactics in a way that the recipients may be more receptive? Or penimi rather than or makif.
I sat at many of the Rebbe’s farbrengens. On many occasions the Rebbe expressed strong emotions decrying a situation and demanding change. Some well known examples are ‘who is a Jew’ and not ceding territories of Eretz Yisroel. I heard him say countless time the words ‘v’ayn poizeh pe u’metzaftzef’ i.e. no one says a word. It is important to try to do something and not sit on the sidelines and watch the situation deteriorate, but it must be in a way that is according to the Torah about which it is said ‘dracheha darchei shalom.’
Dovid
We are a good people and will do the right thing.
Do you get insulted if someone points out to you that you've gotten a splattering of ketchup on yourself or that your little sunny boy fell and got dirty in the mud?
It's just that you feel you need to defend yourSELF!
"That Friday night, I dreamt that I saw this student walking in the street with pants on. On Shabbos day, after a Pirkei Avos shiur, I told my friends what had happened and what I learned from it all. I didn’t speak to the girl, not only because I didn’t want to embarrass her, but because I didn’t want to appear not cool. I knew that the girl liked me and I didn’t want her to think of me as an annoying, nagging teacher.
When we don’t speak up it is because we want to appear hip and cool, G-d forbid."
You sounded so true to being a true mechanech. You were showing how midos tovos override embarrassment. But then you gave a story about a girl, who you dreamt wore pants- and therefore it was a sign. How do you know that having a dream about someone wearing "untznius" clothing just means that you think about the girls who are not dressed modestly all day so much that it affects you at night.
Besides, how does that prove that you want to be a cool teacher? Maybe not speaking up -in that case- was a case where you actually made sure to be tznius yourself.
Tznius is not just a tribute of what you wear. It is moreso about how one acts. I agree with MOST of your thoughts-however, as a mechanech you must teach midos derech eretz before scolding girls over one button (which probably was an accident if she is the daughter of a shluchim).
If i learned anything from chabad/lubavitch it is that being receptive of people who may not be up to YOUR frum standards could go a long way to being mikarev many jews in the future. - Getting to the point where you are crying and other women are spitting does not help our cause. The batei Hamikdash were not destroyed because women had short skirts or opened thier shirt a tad too low for other women, but because jews fought with each other.......
your job puts you in a very difficult spot halachically, make sure to bring us closer to binyan yerushalayim shlishi b'miheira viyamenu amein
Although mrs lerman does have a valid point, and some Jewish women do not dress appropriately, people have to realize that tzniys is not the only factor when it comes to yiddishkeit. Most peopl see a girl on the street wearing something inappropriate and immediately assume that she is not religious or doesn't care about yidishkeiy or whatever. This is not necessarily true. Being that we do not know that individual personally, we can't just pass judgement based on how s/he is dressed.
Clothing is not always a persons identifier. I am in beis Rivka high school, and I know a few girls who come to school each day dressed in accordance with the school dress code and Halacha, and generally dress modestly, but don't keep other major halachos. I would have never guessed that they were at this level, because they always seem so tzniys.
One more point- being a frum Jew is defined by keeping shabbos, kosher, and family purity. There are people in crown heights, and even modern orthodox people, who are technically more religious than some tzniys people I know.
Tzniys isn't everything, folks.
I was made up for a wedding two days ago and still have the makeup on.
Use longlasting products and don't wash and wipe it off and it will last.
for very long is Maybelline Super Stay 24 color.
on the other hand, although i think "the tznius lady" is takign a buig stand and i am in envy of her, i must say this may not be the right way of doing. i am proud that soemone is though, and i will definitly make a differnace.
-signed, a very cool girlt hat wears makeup but does not put it on shabbos and covors her knees and elbows and davens everyday and is proud of the fact:)
thanks for listening to me write. its fun to do this, write comments and write wtvr you want without letting peopel know who did it:)
Shabbos and Yom Tov are way more beautiful than a face of make-up! Why mess them up just to keep my make-up good?!
Instead, over some years of trial and error, and those good old days when I had time to be bored with a mirror, I've found some great ways to make the make-up last for very long. So I put together a pile of handy-dandy tricks.
Tips before we start:
Young teens: don't start wearing make-up until you NEED to. Your skin will thank you! Plus, young faces that shine without any paint, are real beauty. Of course it's also good to discuss it with your mother when you're ready.
Good make-up can cost a lot of money, and it adds up! I keep my most expensive items for Shabbos only.
Many make-up stores like giving out free make-up. My favorite is when Clinique at Macy's has free gift events. Before shopping, look up when their next event is! A bulk of my favorite items are from the free bags!
Lots of eyeshadows come with nicely illustrated instructions, I've learnt a lot from them!
Know your skin! If it's sensitive, then don't leave anything all over your face overnight. Let it breathe.
Don't expect perfection without practice... We all get better every time!
Think princess: it’s part of tznius to look like one, so do it with pride.
Do it lichvod Shabbos kodesh for an added mitzvah!
Okay, lets start:
1) Get a good primer.
My favorite is called Stay Don't Stray by Benefit. It can be found in Sephora, or at a Benefit make-up stand. It comes with instructions. If you founded a better one that works well for you, great! Spread a nice drop from your lashes and up to your brow. Make sure to blend it in well.
The primer is what will hold your eyeshadow on. It's probably the most important step here.
2) Double-line.
This step is for those of us who are trying extra hard. Put on a layer of eyeliner now. You'll be doing it again later. My experience is that pencil lasts longest. I like Mac's long lasting black. For less money, Almay has a good one too.
Make the top line right along your lashes. The closer in you get, the better. If you're brave, lift your lid and line the inner lips too. It makes a difference. The bottom line should be drawn right on your bottom lashes.
Eyeliner is what you want to stay best. Make the lines dark, but don't lose your classiness with thick.
3) Some eye-shadow tricks.
Don't use just one color. Get a pallet of 3-4 shades. I've yet to find a cheap eye-shadow that stays on well. So I go Clinique with this. Mac has good ones too, but they are usually more money, and not as skin-friendly.
Natural is beautiful, so I like pallets that blend in skin tones from white to brown. Clinique has one called Teddy Bear. I also like bronze-gold blends. Or pink-bronze. Find what's good on you.
When you put it on, remember: dab don't brush! The cheap lil sponge stick that comes with the pallet is best for this. You can blend it after. Apply the make-up with pressing dabs and it will stay. Brush nicely, and it'll fall off. This was my most vital discovery!
Important: your brow-bone! That's the part that drops into your eye-lid. Put a dark color there. That's the shadow that will stay on best, and keep your eyes popping. I like making it get darker in the outer corner, and lighter in the inner.
4) Curl your lashes!
Those blessed with super-curled lashes can kindly skip this one. The rest of us can whip out our freaky looking lash crunchers and curl them from root to tip. Don't worry about it staying, we'll get to that soon.
5) Re-line!
Yep, do step two again. Put on some nice eyeliner.
6) Long-lasting mascara technique.
First off, invest in a good water-proof mascara. My favorite by far is Clinique's long lasting black. Side bonus: it keeps your lashes curled!
During the week, stick to regular mascara, it's healthier for your lashes.
Note: if your mascara is looking clumpy, you may need to buy a new fresh one. These things go bad with time.
Okay, some awesome techniques that make it last and wonderful:
Paint both sides of your lashes. Start with the top. Don't worry, they'll curl back up even better when you get to the bottom side.
Start from the root.
Make the outer corners the darkest.
More advanced: as you pull from the root, vibrate your hand a bit. They actually make mascaras that vibrate for you. Never tried it though.
Re-dip often.
Go over the very tips when you're done, for a lengthened look.
Spend plenty time on your top lashes, and a bit less on your lower ones.
Humans make messes. When you get some on your skin - WAIT! Remove it with a Q-tip when it's dry, a minute later. Otherwise you make the mess bigger.
7) Prime your highlighter!
First use a tissue to clean up the mess of powder you dripped under your eyes. Then pick the primer back up. Put a small dot, and spread it under your eyes. Too much won't look good.
Next, get your under-eye highlighter. I'm actually very happy with one from Garnier. It's a stick with a rolling ball, and it has caffeine to wake the skin up too.
For wrinkle-prevention: rub it all in gently, then kindly pat it down.
8) Moisture stays.
If you're brave enough and need to keep something on the rest of your face all Shabbos long, try a tinted moisturizer. It's usually nicer to your skin, blends things in well, and stays on longer. I use one from Clinique, because they're usually more skin-friendly.
Extra tip: for red blotches, something companies sell nice spot cover-ups that are also medicated, and help correct the problem while hiding it.
9) Where the brush matters.
A good blush brush will make your blush last. Sephora has a nice line of them, and they last a long time too. If you're a bronzed person, the story is the sakes there too.
You might want to put a teeny bit more than usual, just so you'll have some left the next day.
10) Buy a lip stain, instead of lipstick. My favorite is from Mac and it’s called Pro Longwear. It’ll last me about 24 hours, no more.
If you have a dry lip problem, try getting a lip primer to use with regular lipstick instead.
11) Be nice!
There are a few things you can do to ruin your hard work. Let's avoid them:
Don't sleep on your face! If you sleep on your side, turn your head slightly up, so you don't smudge anything.
Don't touch. Don't rub. Keep your hands away.
No crying! You shouldn't be crying on Shabbos or Yom Tov anyway! Unless you're one of those who cry when laughing... Maybe slap your knee instead. I don't know. Just don't cry.
Remember that everyone's skin is different. Some will hold on the make-up better than others. But don't despair if it's not working. Try harder, and experiment more. You'll get there.
I might have missed some things, and you may have more good tips, so please share them! Remember, we're not being vain, we're trying our best to represent daughters of The King!
MY DAUGHTER (AGE 10 OR 11) YEARS AGO ,MOMMY THAT WOMAN HAIR IS SHOWING(ABOUT 4IN) ,I SAID TO HER YES ,I KNOW, I TOLD HER THAT AII CAN BE SAID HAD BE SAID,DOES SHE HAVE ANY IDEAS . IT'S POSSIBLE THAT SOME WOMEN JUST HAVE NO FEELING INSIDE THERE'S LOST,YES THAT WOULD MAKE A DIFFERANCES
Let's call it what it is. Dressing immodestly is giving in to temptation. It won't help after 120 to blame it on others. It didn't work for Adam Harishon. It won't work now.
Beis Rivkah has the right to demand that if you want to enter our building you need to be dressed according to Halacha.
The more crazy the tznius rules became the worse we dressed. Thats right, we lost sight of the basics and it all just went out the window...
30 years ago, noone cared about nailpolish, or length of shaitels, or colours, or earrings, or denim/non denim...
Once you started making things like nail polish assur, then skirt length became the same as nail polish...and it all went out together!!
If you had stuck to basics, and not made things so difficult - ppl may not have rebelled so much.
Basics: Skirt length, necklines, elbows and tights. That should be the focus!
You, Beis Rivkah - are making things SO much worse. You are making Tznius a negative burdensome thing, people angry and upset and disenfranchised.
Making kindergarteners and 1st graders wear tights in summer!??!!? you wonder why by the time theyre in 7th grade, theyre wearing NOTHING on their feet at all...
Yes, we need to be better than basic halacha - but you need to choose wisely and carefully what you choose to emphasise- and pushing harder in one direction, just means a greater push in the other.
Basic Science: Every action has an equal and opposite re-action!!!
Push tznius harder and stricter, those that get fed up, will push harder the other direction...
its all just so wrong....so sad...
focus on what is good. be a good person to others. accept ppl. learn how to truly love and this world will be a better place. what god wants most is love between his ppl. there is so much more besides the way pppl dress that needs to be worked on. this woman is causing hatred to occure. this is wrong. very wrong. it is wrong to make a woman feel so bad about the way she wants to look and dress.
It's sad, incredibly sad, that tznius, the mitzva designed (supposedly) to let us focus on our inner growth instead of our body, this mitzvah has been hijacked so as to create a culture where the body and how it's covered is ALL we look at. What's too tight? Which five year old is too alluring (???) by wearing short sleeves? Who's wearing dark nailpolish? It's the opposite of what tznius is meant to be and that's why I'm moving away from these rules.
my point is i have come to realize ON MY OWN, that tznuis is a very important part of the Torah that has to be kept. i am making an effort to do better day by day. the point is not to talk to all the teenagers about the way they dress. NO! it wil turn them off! it will make them rebel!
for example; the other day i was walking down the street, when a lovly 19-21 year old girl approaches me. she told me to be careul about my long skirt which had a 3 inch slit. she said "i wouldnt be surprised if they kick you out of school." I WENT HOME. i was depressed. i was sick of hearing it from other hippacrits that are not perfect! so let them come to realize it on their own.... i don't know what to say. just dont shove it down their throats. i am saying this from experience. true we can't IGNORE it but we have to get this done in a nice matter. i hope things will change.
Regardless of my opinions about the level (or lack of) of Tznius in Crown Heights, this needs to be said: Mrs. Lerman is one of my "heroes". This is a thankless task, but she does it with as much sensitivity and kindness as possible. I have never, ever heard either with my own ears, or via my daughters, that she raises her voice, is sarcastic or judgmental, or cruel.
We have a serious problem in Crown Heights. I was in Williamsburg yesterday: despite the excessive heat, every woman & girl I saw was wearing stockings (thick ones!) full sleeves, blouses and tops closed to the neck, nothing was see-through, and married women were wearing full head coverings according to their shi'ita. We aren't like that. Bare legs, flip-flops, tiny sleeves (if any), short skirts...summer in Crown Heights is a nightmare. Last summer, I saw a young girl I know wearing the shortest shorts I have ever seen, along with a sleeveless top that looked like a scoop neck undershirt. I have also seen young men in shorts and flip-flops, no tzitzis. So we can't just point the finger at women & girls.
I am very upset and personally offended by some of these comments. If you choose to dismiss Mrs. Lerman's views (which are Halacha-based...she doesn't make them up!) , I guess that's your right. But to post them here and belittle the meseiros nefesh of a woman who is not doing this for accolades (as is quite clear) but because she wants us to dress & behave as a Bas Yisrael should, is just wrong.
We all have our nisyonus...do you think I feel like going outside with stockings, full sleeves & a sheitel in 95* weather? Do you think my daughters enjoy making THEIR daughters wear full sleeves, long skirts & full socks/tights/stockings when it's so hot? But we have to do it.
This is thing. Bais Rivka girls and their parents represent the Rebbe. Would anyone have dared gone to the Rebbe dressed like they feel they can today in the Rebbe's daled amos? When you go into Bais Rivka you are entering the Rebbe's Mosod. Dress accordingly. Show respect to the standards of the school where you CHOOSE to send your daughters.
I wish you all a safe & enjoyable summer.
That is not the reason for Tzniyus but a benefit. So, be wise and stay cool. Yes, tzniyus like all mitzvos have benefits that
go far beyond what we see with our eyes. They are the rewards for doing it FOR G-D ALONE. Remember Hashem gave Adam and Chava their clothing.
JUST DO IT.
so why do you feel that its ok to "rebuke" someone and possibly embarrass them IN PUBLIC without knowing why they dress the way they do?
have you walked a mile in their shoes? do you know what they are going through or have gone through in their life?
does their husband abuse them? were they molested? do they come from a broken home? did her/ his father beat or abuse them? are they a ba'al teshuva and this is the most frum they have ever been and now by yelling or embarrassing them you have set them back 10 years?
maybe we should "send" more shluchim to crown heights to help bring people closer to yidishkeit without ebarrassing them.
now, i'm sure you'll say that we have shlucim here right? well MAYBE we need more.
or we could always just throw these kids whose parent don't dress properly OUT.... it seems to have worked till now.
Mrs. Lerman was my teacher 15 or so years ago & continues to be one of my most favorite. Kol Hakovod to you!!
And a night. And families with Boruch Hashem
Lots of expenses fork over what they can possibly
Afford to pay for parochial school. Day by day decade
By decade people break their backs to afford
A Chasidesha education for their kids . They pray
That they and their children will be treated with
The dignity they have earned. And since Gimel Tammuz-well if
You are like me you are still Hurt. What greater hurt
Could have been. So we are so to speak a shearis
Hapelata. So no more pirud. No more cruel.
No more judgement . Just goodness and kindness.
The Freirdeke Rebbe Said do someone a favor
In Gashmius and after that do them a favor in ruchnius.
So, is there also a good morning layer with no
Purpose for standing at the door other than to give hugs to
The kids that want them and warm smiles to all of them and all of their mothers?
I'm generations past school age , but that seems
Like a great start for a day at school and might create
A lasting warm association for at least for a few.
Have 9 good morning ladies for every tzniyus lady.
Shaming is deadly-- even where there is no such attention.
The definition of shaming is saying or doing something
That could lead even an over sensitive person to
Feel ashamed. And pretty much everybody is over sensitive
Once in a while.
Please cut some slack to all of these salt of the earth hard working families . Life's tough enough.
Chasidim and their kids.
Also, I noticed an interesting Rashi on Sotah 2a D.H. Mezavgin which seems to define a righteous woman as a tzenuah and wicked woman as a perutzah.
http://www.yeshivahcollege.com/Yeshivah_College___hmkllh_hysybh/PARSHA/Entries/2012/5/4_Cosmetics_on_Shabbat.html
Enjoy yourself.
It's cute that you think anyone cares what you think welcome to 2012.
Just a thought to contemplate!
Have a good Shabbos!
because all you chassidish women- are going on and on. well guess what... i am not even married. i grew up in a good chassidish home and i think its sad that anyone thinks it could change. just accept it that not everyone is the same level. just accept that yes "jewish frum
lubavitch women and girls wont be dressed the same as you. leave the reckoning and judging up to hashem. if thats their lifestyle just accept. first look at yourself, do you speak loshon hara, do you respect everyone. do you do evrything the torah commands us. i think everyone reading this cant say no to loshon hara so fist fix yourselves then others. just look at it as, you have a problem in loshon hara, they have a problem in tznius.
Needless to say, I find that the young women of Crown Heights do not dress provocatively- they may not be wearing tights-- but they are certainly not trying to get the attention of other men. They are trying to look their best for their husbands! There is no shame in that!
How about starting with the Crown Heights teachers? Did you see how some of them dress? is Tznius only a way of "fooling" the kids in school and a "uniform" to get a paycheck?! Why are there some that are big Mechaneches walking down the street in a tichel? Many of them are lacking Tznius, in and out of school..
I wonder why in over 200 comments it was not mentioned.. I'm I seeing wrong or I'm I too honest..?
As a BT who lived the fast track of pop culture for many years, I chose the beauty and values of Yiddishkeit and was drawn to the dignity of modesty. Please read my essay in Haaretz on the subject (see link below).
I teach the beauty of tznius all the time to young women and I believe I have a fresh contempory perspective.
There is a deeper problem, however, that several comments have touched upon-- Jewish girls need inspiration. They need incentives, life choices and ambitions that they can aspire to. When you aren't excited about what the future holds and what achievements you can accomplish in your life, you resort to cheap thrills and feelings of aliveness that the media offers-- which of course is only a manipulation to get you out there spending money shopping.
Jewish girls are talented and brilliant and sadly underdeveloped and underutilzed. Let's give them alternatives, choices, exciting futures. Then maybe, just maybe, they wont feel their only avenues of expression are through fashion trends and the empty allure of popular culture
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/can-ultra-orthodox-culture-go-overboard-in-its-quest-for-modesty-1.408262
if you fail to, please work on it instead of trying to find fault in those better than you. and remember- G-d defined modesty- its not up to our individual opinion!
My daughter attends a Bais Yaakov & there are no tznius issues.
Does anyone want to know why? The girls are taught what a privilege it is to be a Bas Yisroel, how beautiful it is & how precious things are concealed. The girls are PROUD to be tznius. To be sure they learn Halachos too but those are secondary to the message of beauty & self respect.
How sad that with all the beautiful Chassidus available to us Chabad women & girls do not have the basic pride & self respect of a Bais Yaakov girl.
I think Hashem gets nachas from open online discussions like these! (call me wierd but thats what I think)
I can't believe the defensive comments people are posting without even knowing her!
and is 100% right to express her concern for the honor
of Lubavitch. She is doing what should have long ago been done. How does anyone have the Chuzpah to refute what is
part of our TORAH?
ps. there might be a large crowd who are conflicted about the tznius issue, but have no fear, it may be a strained topic, but the Torah is the Torah and tznius will always be an inyon waiting for more women to fulfill it.
stay positive, stay tznius!! AD MOSSAI ! ;-)
I would like to address the commenter who compared it to the embarrassing Sotah ritual--you cannot extrapolate from that and say it is permissible to embarrass someone in all situations where they violate halacha. There is a halacha not to embarrass and it is not stated that there is an exception when it comes to breaching other halachot. Sotah may very well be the only exception.
The Halacha, as presented here, has been perverted to become a vehicle for harsh judgment that leads, often, to severe shame on the part on the recipient of the rebuke, not a dramatic change in dress. The incidence of eating disorders in this community, then, is perhaps not incidental. The notion of respecting one's body has been transmuted into a hatred of the body.
"The Halacha, as presented here, has been perverted to become a vehicle for harsh judgment that leads, often, to severe shame on the part on the recipient of the rebuke, not a dramatic change in dress."
Maybe learn the halachos of giving proper mussar and the halachos of embarrassing people before continuing what you are doing.
If you go to the JCM for even one day you will find dozens of people dressed that way and many of them are Jewish.
Dear Tznius Lady, please come to the Museum there is lots of work to be done. Tell them they can't come in until they are dressed properly.
It is the Chabad way and the Torah way for Ahavas Yisroel to always be exercised. Have you learned nothing from the teachings of the Rebbe and Frierdiker Rebbe?
1) Give discount cards to students that can be used in a local store which sells tznius clothing. (The owner can ask his posek if he can deduct this as maaser) .
2) Hold a tznius mivtza in school. Girls have to research, illustrate and create a board on ONE aspect of tznius. (Tznius also relates to behaving with refinement and dignity both within and without the home. Then hold a tznius fair for girls and their mothers with plenty of prizes and accolades for every serious entry!
3) Have the high school girls take the fashion of the day and Tzniustize it. (my own word) Give them the tznius guidelines and have them make Before and After Makeovers of the garments. Can be done using a digital camera, or the afters can be modeled in a fashion show with the before garment on the screen. This takes a lot of creativity but that's just the outlet that many girls need. Of course this only comes AFTER the students have really learned hilchot tznius. During the process, ask the girls to keep a journal about how they feel about it. (A teacher did this and was very pleased with the students' maturity).
Lastly-tznius around the world and throughout the ages....Every student chooses a country or an era and researches how Jewish women dressed or currently dress there. BTW-include Meah Shearim. Why and how did these garments, styles, makeup, become the distinct Jewish fashions. Information is available in Jewish museums, libraries, and of course, online....Think, Tunis, Morocco, Ethiopia, Russia, Israel during the Tanach vs. current times, etc....With a ruach of fun, education and kedusha this project can be a super success. Get the bracha of a local well respected posek before doing any of this, so that all of the projects and guidelines can be under the auspices of a halachic authority. Tzippy
I don't think you understand what the goals of the museum are .
This is from the Mission Statement of the JCM:
"The Museum is a setting for children of all faiths and backgrounds to gain a positive perspective and awareness of the Jewish heritage, fostering tolerance and understanding."
Having a Tznius Lady turning away people at the door would undermine the purpose of the museum on many levels. It would also discourage museum attendance, probably to the point where the museum would cease to exist!
Again, definatly an important and needed posistion, but not to the point where it will offend others. I'd recomend asking a Rav how to best approach certain senarios.
KOL HAKOVOD AND HATZLACHA.
I APPLAUD YOUR COURAGE IN WHAT YOU ARE DOING.
PLEASE DO NOT HEED THE NEGATIVE COMMENTS. JUST CONTINUE AND MAY YOU MAY YOUR ENDEAVORS ALWAYS MEET WITH SUCCESS.
THIS IS NOT MEAH SHEARIM THIS IS NOT LUBAVITCH THIS IS YIDDISHKEIT THROUGHOUT THE WORLD
same here, it's not the way of lubavitch? don't worry there's a way where to make it lubavitch and not just simple lubavitch but shpitz chasidus
Keep up the good work!