Jun 12, 2012
'We Don't Expel Students'
Illustration photo by Chaim Perl
Sephardic leader Rabbi Ovadia Yosef called on schools not to expel troublemakers, yet one Chabad educator told COLlive the call was not a novelty.
By COLlive reporter
Leading Sephardic leader and halachic authority Rabbi Ovadia Yosef made an impassioned plea this week to teachers not to expel children from schools and yeshivos, even if they exhibit negative behavior.
"Even if there is a student who behaves inappropriately, it is still forbidden to throw him out of school and instead we must exercise extreme patience," he said in a video posted on Kikar.net and VIN News.
"Toiling in the field of chinuch is indeed work and we have to be patient with each and every student. If we are patient with this student, one day he can grow up to be a talmid chacham. And if we send him away from the yeshiva where will he go? ...What will become of him?"
He said the act of expelling a child is a life or death situation, and cautioned listeners that in the days of the Sanhedrin, it took a group of 23 sages to decide on matters that were classified as "dinei nefashos." He warned mechanchim that as individuals, they lacked the authority to make decisions that have such far reaching ramifications.
"Don't throw them out!" exhorted Rabbi Yosef. "What, are you throwing away a rock? These are neshamos! Are you ready to take responsibility for what might happen? We must love these children who will one day become our gedolim. We need to bring them closer with sweet words so that we can bring them closer to the Torah."
While these words made headlines in the frum community, COLlive was told that the topic will not be raised in the upcoming summer conferences for Chabad educators organized by the Chinuch Office of Merkos L'inyonei Chinuch.
"It's not an issue we need to rehash," the director Rabbi Nochum Kaplan told COLlive.com. "The Frierdiker Rebbe said a student should not be thrown out - ever - because it's dinei nefashos. Throwing out a child is murder. It's simply killing the child."
He said that nowadays, "the vast majority of our mosdos implement this policy. The Rebbe told me that there is never a reason to throw out a child because he has a problem - that is your task as a teacher, to deal with it."
The only exception to this rule, he said, was if a child is negatively influencing other students and the situation is not amenable.
"Yet even when that is the case, the Frierdiker Rebbe said that a single person should not be making the decision. It should be the hanhala or a few educators deciding," Rabbi Kaplan said.
"In addition to that, Rabbi Mordechai Hodakov said that when the decision is made and a child is being thrown out, it is your responsibility to find another school that will take this child," he added.
What will be discussed at the summer chinuch kinusim is "basic classroom managment skills," a topic that is interconnected with Rabbi Yosef's speech where he extolled the virtue of patience, stressing its importance for those in the field of chinuch.
"If anyone thinks he or she can go into a classroom and 'wing it', they are making a major mistake," Rabbi Kaplan said. "And patience comes from confidence and organization, which can only be achieved by preparation."
Registration for the summer chinuch kinusim is now open for male and female teachers and principals (separate conferences) at chinuchoffice.org
Maybe there are parallel worlds, one where the Merkos Chinuch Office exists and the other where the schools and students are.
The quote could be painfully true, though "It's not an issue we need to rehash," Right. It's an issue you need to touch and address for the first time, not rehash.
This Yeshiva is for Masmidim. This one is for chassisidhe boys. This one is for Shluchim. ETC.
I'd say, that if you want to carry the name Chabad, Lubavitch or Tomchei Temimim you accept all comers (with maybe one exception a decade). And you acceptthem regardless of tuition. Same rules for mivtza tefillin - would you not put tefillin on someone if he doesn't pay foryour time?
Yup. This certainly puts a huge financial responsibility on the administration but that's whty a huge part of that responsibility is fund-raising.
Maybe I answered my barb myself. perhaps the schools who eject and reject students don't carry the Temimim name, and are therefore not included in R kaplan's coverage.
If that's the answer then anyone attending a yeshiva or sending one's child to one, should pay attention to the name. Does it include the word Lubavitch? Temimim?
If not, it ain't a Lubavicth school. It ain't under the Rebbe's accountability standard. And a fine test would also be - do they expel kids? Do they reject kids? Is tuition a determineing factor odf acceptance.
I wonder if the administarotrs of such non-lubavicth schools are acepted in the "Shlcuhim convention".
oh, how chabad is mekarev the rechoikim and meracheik the kroivim.
azkir al hatzion.
the elder rosh yeshivos are getting older, and are letting younger men do the work, and i personally know many friends, who are being thrown out the system because of these ignorant people.
and i must say, once youre out the system, its a long, long way back, and these bochurim have to be very strong.
so sad how these things happen
The Rebbe's answer was quick to come " Take in more"
The obvious answer to this problem is not the child, but the teacher. He has to know how to "Teach" a class of "CHILDREN"
2)There are other consequences to not behaving besides for expelling a student. for some students it is a prize to be expelled.
It had to do with a "Rabbi" and his hot temper.
And it was a school with the Lubavitcher Yeshiva name.
They have now gone to modern Zionistik schools and will probably not remain Lubavitch in the future..
Oh for shame!! This is certainly not our way!! Whoever makes these decisions will have a lot to answer in the world to come!
Both my sons were expelled for being 'different". (a little out of the box)
Its sheker gamur to say that chabad does not expel kids.
Years back they would work with everyone and now the yeshivos just want the elite - or the bochirim that they don't have to work with.
so, wheres the line? this is not a question of nuance. if you cant answer this question, then you have basicly said nothing.
so please, rabbi kaplan, answer.
We heard the call from the Frideker Rebbe and we followed through. Nothing is wrong here in our Lubavitch...
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Except for the hordes of fried out gheze youth who get tired of being abused by teachers, or beat up by teachers, and see the cracks in the system and become disillusioned.
Except for the rampant discrimination in shidduchim which we whine about like children when there are options, but, they happen to be BT or children of BTs. Heaven forfend we might taint ourselves by marrying someone who doesn't know what its like to be told they have a name and that name matters(even though it does not).
Grow up Lubavitch...Pull your head out of the sand. Kids are being beaten, abused, and worse and you refuse to see it. You claim it makes you sad, so you pretend like it doesn't happen, and it gets worse and becomes a bigger problem than it needed.
You have social problems. Deal with them!
This is the gravest issue facing our movement and STILL no one is REALLY dealing with it .
On the one hand , I challenge any person to a 5 min. conversation where i will convince them of MANY situations where the child MUST be kicked out - and they will agree.
On the other hand ,Lubavitch is not seriously addressing the issue of the kids who don't "fit" in.
When was the last time that Rabbi Kaplan sat in a classroom with a bunch of teenagers who have no interest and sleep EVERY SINGLE DAY during class despite the teacher trying all/every method of persuasion ? When was the last time Rabbi Kaplan ACTUALLY taught a grade on a day to today basis, for that matter ?
This is not a criticism of Rabbi Kaplan - CHAS V'SHOLOM - he's great, and I watch all his videos and follow his advise etc.,but, the problem is ,we have many experts who have sadly left the classroom and lecture about what needs to be done , when in fact ,currently, every new year ,we face new levels of difficulties which need solutions.
Also, a major point has to made how we must distinguish between children till the age of 14 - and after,and then further .Do we treat a 15 year old as an 18 year old ? One can be just too young to be making the right choices while the other deliberately chooses the wrong way -
these are all illustrations of complex problems that are never properly discussed or analysed.
Lubavitch should be waging a war- armed with the weapons of Chochmo Bina Daas and Ahava and Chesed - on ignorance and apathy amongst di aygenner kinder; meanwhile , we're either trapped in the blame game or planning the next ground breaking of the newest 10 million dollar center for jewish life........
We should call this generation of chabad "The Abandoned Youth" .
How IS THIS ALL GONNA CHANGE ???
YOU tell me....
The real problem is no accountability on the part of the yeshivas, and no integrated Lubavitch school system because each and every school is an island alone and they don't balance out the schools to fit different levels of learning and inspiration for the boys.
"Some" of those kids are really chutzpa and can really bother and intimidate others.I don't believe that by staying in yeshiva is also the answer,because most of them don't change.If the yeshiva feels that they cann't serve this kind of kid, at least they are being honest and the parents should accept reality and do the best to deal with the child immediate needs .