Dec 31, 2011
If I were a Shadchan…
Shidduchim SOS: "You know those dates where five minutes in you know this is absolutely not for you?" A COLlive reader suggests a few practical suggestions to improve the shidduch system.
By: B.M.
You know those dates where five minutes in you know this is absolutely not for you? Where an entire night could have been saved and much time and energy spared, if only you met the guy for three minutes before anything started cooking?
Those dates should never come to be. If the person setting you up truly knew YOU – not a paper, not a family, not your friends – but YOU, these situations would never occur.
I’m not trying to change the way the system runs.
I’m not trying to stage a revolution.
I’m only trying to improve.
I’m proposing a few practical tips to smooth the path that is already in place.
So… If I were a shadchan, here a couple of things I would do:
1) When I’m first contacted by a parent, I would, of course, listen to what s/he has to say in regards to what the child wants, but I would then insist upon speaking to the girl/boy as well. As well as a parent may know his/her child, and as close as they may be, the way a parent describes a desirable match will almost always be different than the way the child would express him/herself. I believe it is important to speak to both parents and children – both about how the girl/boy would describe him/herself, and about what exactly he/she wants in a spouse. How can a person set two people up without ever having spoken to them?
2) And not just speaking – but meeting face to face. A successful match is formed through chemistry and compatible energies. Take two people who on paper seem to be very similar – worldly but chassidish, went through the system, is hardworking, motivated, sweet, friendly, generous… This description can fit many - What makes each of the many unique? Their vibes, the way they express themselves, their manners (not etiquette – but the way they move their hands, the expressions they make…) – all the things that one simply cannot give over to another through speech – a person has to SEE these things in order to KNOW.
How can someone claim to know a person well enough to set them up without ever having met?
3) When receiving a resume, I would scan the info on top and then go straight to the references at the bottom. I believe it is important for a shadchan to know the person h/she is dealing with very well – both from personal interaction and from how others would describe the said person. So as tedious as it may be, I would call every reference on the list, and then some who aren’t; I would take notes, compare, contrast, and thereby gain a perspective of who this person is to the world. Some say calling references is a waste of time – true, if you’re calling the reference and leaving it at that. But if you call many people and then compare notes – and after doing so, matching that to what you inferred while meeting the prospect face to face, you will get a pretty clear picture of what this person is about. Yes, it may seem like spending A LOT of time and it does takes lots of patience, but it will pay off in the end.
Surprises happen – rarely do we marry exactly who we thought we would, but we have to do our best and eliminate as much senseless frustration as possible.
So that’s what I would do if I was a shadchan – but I’m not…
…So those of you who take this great responsibility upon yourselves, please do your job well.
how can a shadchan be responsible for calling every person's refrence? thats the parents job, when they look into a prospective match.
I do think meeting the person who you plan to set up is critical, even more important than anything else. you can pretty much get an idea of what type of person someone is is you meet someone and speak to them for a while.
may all those seeking their bashert find them very soon, and easily!!!
I've had experiences with my daughters you would not believe.
One shadchan never, I mean never, returns, calls.
One took our name but never came up with anything in more than a year.
its rediculous. Hardest parsha of my life.
Daughter of a shadchan.
hope all the CH shadchans are listening....
If people don't consider themselves to be "official" shadchanim, then they shouldn't take money on the pretense that they will help you find a shidduch.
And yes, #3, its the hardest parshah of my life!!
And, by the way, I would be happy to pay and pay well for the shodchon who would be willing to do the work. Those of us in the service professions appreciate the work that is done and don't expect anything for free.
Shin= Sheker
Daled= Dover
Chof= kesef
nun= notel
Although, I must say, there are those few who really are sincere and deserve a lot of credit!
There are those shidduchim that I've made where I just "knew" it was perfect (because I knew both sides) and those shidduchim that failed where I just "knew" it was perfect (because I knew both sides and on paper it REALLY was perfect and they were so excited to go out because it was so perfect). Yet after just 5 minutes - as above - the bochur and girl knew it was absolutely not right!
Once I made a shidduch because in the morning the mother of the girl called bemoaning the fact that her daughter was not married so I encouraged her to go to the Ohel to daven for a shidduch. That afternoon the mother of a bochur called to ask if I had any suggestions (I didn't!) but when she mentioned that she goes to the Ohel regularly to daven for a shidduch for her son a light when off in my head and I suggested the girl whose mother had called earlier! If that isn't min hashomayim, what is?
Bottom line: Parents, do your job by representing your children properly and what THEY want (not what you want for them) and by reading what parents should do in Eternal Joy (vol. one, end of ch. one). Girls and Bochurim, do your job by making sure your parents and/or the shadchan know what you are looking for, being realistic and not having a "shopping list" of qualities that you expect in a spouse, and by reading Eternal Joy volume one thoroughly.
You may give the Shadchan all the reasons in the world why it is their responsibility to find you a Shidduch, but at the end of the day it's all about the Gelt. (Just like any other job).
working for nothing, as many shadchanim feel and it won't make a difference to them if they make a shidduch for a person from a rich or a poor background. We need to do this as a community to help oour singles.
After investing these hours (and they are many) the parents response is "This suggestion doesn't turn me on." What's with all those hours?
Why the disparaging "It's all about the gelt"? These shadchanim have tuition, mortgages, food bills, etc. to pay. Is it criminal, disrespectfull, underhanded, not worth the expense (pick one) for the shadchan to want see some compensation for their time and effort?
And perhaps if a parent spent some money for the service both the parent and the shadchan would take the relationship more seriously.
Now for my two sense: the LEMON LAW is the best way to go about this problem...
www. shiduchim-net.com
in 5 languages for the all lubavicth community and their mekurovim the unique sistem doesnt publicize the profiles of the candidates but save it in the sistem . Any candidate writes his endorser( Shliach, rabbi , e.t.c) and then after the endorser confirm that the info of the candidate is proper the system automatically find candidates who can match and send it to the endorser and the endorser that know well the candidate will decide
I also think that Rabbonim & Teachers from Seminaries & Yeshivas who are involved in the childrens lifes should get a bit more involved. Parents would feel so much better should they know they have support in this hard stage of their life. All the best to al involved.
I hope evey girl & boy should find their barshert soon & the shadchanim on their part should be guided by Hashem to make the right suggestions for every individual case.
Keep strong I am sure Hashem will not let us down.
it would save tons of money for the guys and tons of wasted time on both sides.
who in crown heights is brave enough to set up a monthly shidduch event and who is brave enough to attend?
think about it. It could be the answer to so many issues.
and to commenter 20 - how obnoxious I must say. No one can be perfect and not everyone is fit for everyone. so if a family says no to another family clearly it's not for them - do we have to start running around everyones fingers of every proposed shidduch oh they didnt want us lets start doing what they want.
Many people try their utmost to climb the ranks bekdusha and none of us have the right to start saying how others have to change - so maybe your comment meant something else but it did come out extremely harsh -
Baezrat Hashem everyone will find their chosson in THEIR right time.
But you had a mistake the adress is
http://www.shiduchim-net.org/
Since the author of the article has such great ideas why aren`t you involved in shiduchim? Do you think it might be too time consuming for you?
Lets hope everyone who needs a shidduch should have one bekorov and appreciate everyone who does take time to be involved.
for my experience in Israel and CH official, and nonofficial big office, or cheap apartment -doesn't matter. if you give upward , even penny (for stamps? etc) you will never ever heard from him after that......................
is worthy of discussion and follow-up by Shadchanim
Maybe a conference can be arranged to discuss these mattersattended by Rabanim and Mechanchim as well.
shidduchim takes alot of time and work, I am a single girl and I have made a couple of shidduchim myself so I know. If a woman who calls herself an official shadchan and asks for money in return for helping you out, it is not right that you do not come through with your end of the bargain.
I have found that the shadchanim that do not take money are the most helpful and when I iyh get engaged I intent to send a gift to each of those shadchanim regardless if they made my shidduch or not.
Hatzlocha, and go for it. . . it really does help!!
Been there and done it!!
to all those who don't have the best things to say about the shadchan ..... i can tell you from the way i see it (and i see it EVERY DAY) that a shadchan puts in MANY MANY hours a day and we should give them the credit they deserve!!!
There is no "degree of shadchanus" and there is no "Guide to making shidduchim" but regardless, a human being who puts themselves out there for you and asks for money is not so ridiculous. It's time consuming and stressful. Find the shadchan who will meet your child (psychologically it makes the person feel more responsible for them) and put in the time and money to work with the shadchan. It is unfair to expect the world of people if you will not take the time to go for 20 minutes and chat. If your child does not want to go- don't waste your money and tough luck! If they don't want to make this keili, its their problem!
Most Shadchanim send you a list and expect you to do the homework unless they are asked by one side to suggest a certain Bochur or girl.
The best shadchan is a relative or a close friend.
Maybe she has a good job here? Cant afford to continually travel? .........