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Kfar Chabad Rabbi Mordechai Ashkenazi told COLlive his plan to have untznius women photographed is not to embarass them. Full Story

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July 10, 2013 2:55 pm

I think you should read carefully, it said tichel, not provocative. They want a more chassidish environment.

Go 59
February 6, 2013 1:56 am

I like number 59.
It all sounds abusive.
Get a life and mind your own business.
They are keeping religious homes and lives, whats wrong with a little entertainment now and then

To 224
September 11, 2011 8:53 pm

If it pains you deeply, don’t look!

You want things to change? “Ohev shalom vrodef shalom”, not “ohev shalom and threaten and bully to get your way”

Af a ganef brent a hitel
September 10, 2011 9:13 pm

If this makes a woman feel uncomfortable, maybe it is a sign she is uncomfortable with her tznius?
If a woman is okay with this idea, I take it as a sign that her tznius is up to par.
It pains me deeply the way people walk around these days. And I want something to change.

where does this end?
September 7, 2011 5:47 pm

and then we can get pics of men who beat their wives .. and then the ones who abuse kids in yeshivas .. then we’ll get pics of the men who cheat on their taxes .. after that we can shame all those who don’t talk to their parents .. let’s see who else … oh i know lets photograph those crazy over zealous unthinking self righteous prats who bring a massive hillul Hashem into the world this kind of nonsense. If this is the way these people think they are going to encourage women to be more tzniusdik they… Read more »

rabbi ashkinazi
September 6, 2011 12:34 pm

if rabbi ashkinazi said this it must be a necessity.

DISGUSTED
September 5, 2011 5:49 pm

LET’S POST PICTURES OF ALL THE MEN WHO VIOLATE TZNIUS!

Grow up people!!
September 4, 2011 7:27 pm

By the way, The Rav is doing this because there are a few married women that are purposely dressing provocatively to attract the attention of other married men and teachers. The Rav didn’t know what else to do. Hmmm…..Would you? If you know a woman is trying to seduce a married man and trying to be an adulterer, what would you do to try and stop it????? Grow up people and get over yourselves. If you feel like you’re being put in front of the camera, maybe you should start looking at how comfortable you really are with yourself and… Read more »

People!
September 4, 2011 7:11 pm

Read into the situation a bit more! Can’t you see that there’s a problem with some specific women PURPOSELY going out provocatively in Kfar Chabad?! Rav Ashkenazi is trying to address a bigger problem: there’s married women there trying to be eye candy for married men and some teachers. (This is, sadly, not a new problem!) You got a better idea as to how to tame a whore and prevent her from screwing around?? Snap a few photos, show it to her and say “I know what you’re doing. You need to stop or face consequences – like being expelled… Read more »

2 207
September 4, 2011 6:44 pm

horrible i am 1 of the ppl u would post as untzinus and im completely disgusted by wat ur doing

horrified
September 4, 2011 6:38 pm

wats wrong with a tichel? also so many of the extra extra frum people r soooo super judgemental just leave every1 alone!!!!!!!!

to 69
September 4, 2011 6:34 pm

2days youth have no care 4 secular or jewish law? exuse me as part of that youth of 2day i dont do watever i want. i have struggles with tzinus and if i was photographed i would see it as an invasion of privacy and it would turn me away even more its a terrible idea!!!!!!!!!!!

with all due respect
September 4, 2011 5:15 pm

i think this is extremely inapropriate. first off it is innapropriate to take pictures of untznius women. second of all it will turn people off. even just reading this and all the agreeing comments is a turn off. i was in crown heights for 1 weekend and just standing outside 770 and some lady came over to me and gave me a pep talk about tznius. it is a complete turn off. mind your own bussiness! oviously if people are dressing untznius they have reasons! people have pain in this world which causes them to cool down in their yiddishkeit.… Read more »

Kavod L'Rav Ashkenazi
September 4, 2011 5:07 pm

I live here in Kfar Chabad. Demanding from women to dress modestly and arguing that the Rebbe emphasized sheitlach will do nothing. You say that you want the Kfar to be the chassidishe Kfar it was intented (and started out) to be. But your real question should be this: How does one become a good chassid? The answer: By first being a good Jew. Things like SHMIRAT SHABBAT (women conspicuously apply make-up on shabbat!), DERECH ERETZ (you just stated yourself that your letters have produced nothing – clearly, your community doesn’t respect you. Heck, they don’t even respect their own… Read more »

Even more disturbing
September 4, 2011 11:53 am

The tznius issue is very disturbing. But do you know what is even more disturbing? Most of the comments here. Funny, in all of the years standing listening to the Rebbe I never once heard him recommend taking pictures to embarrass people, or throwing paint, or name calling, or expressing disgust. This anger is not chassidus, this need for revenge is not even yiddishkeit, Or at least not the chassidus and yiddishkeit that I grew up with. The attitudes and intolerance and arrogance displayed here are a whole new Lubavitch, and not one the Rebbe would ever have approved of… Read more »

#34
September 4, 2011 5:42 am

does that mean u dress untzniusdik and ure ashamed to have people c ur pic.?????

to #61
September 4, 2011 2:31 am

61
Nebach. You wrote: “As a person who struggles with tznius, … I would not only be disgusted with the system, I would loose respect for the Rabbi… I would not tolerate it!”
Guess what. {UNLESS you are new to Yiddiskeit and and are just starting on the ladder of proper dressing} WE ARE DISGUSTED WITH THE WAY YOU DRESS. YOU HAVE NO RESPECT FOR YOURSELF OR OTHERS, AND WE ARE NOT GOING TO TOLERATE YOUR LACK OF DESCREATION ANYMORE. SO PUT ON SOME CLOTHES OR MOVE.

Read Bereshis
September 3, 2011 11:39 pm

Tamar was prepared to allow herself to burnt alive rather than embarrass another person, even when she knew she was right.

But hey, I am sure Rabbi Ashkenazi knows better.

Everyone would do well to read comment
September 3, 2011 10:21 pm

#157

Is this the Nachal Charedi, or the Nachal Satmari?
September 2, 2011 11:17 pm

The small amount of charedim you with gain from this silly acquiescence, is negligible, compared with the influence the chareidim will gain from from sticking to your ‘guns’. Have some intestinal fortitude, and stand up for what you believe in.

Here we go again ...
September 2, 2011 10:39 am

The line between Yidishkeit and Islam blurs yet again. Next up, burkahs (with an optional small but tasteful moshiach flag sewn on).

HORRIBLE, FASCIST IDEA
September 2, 2011 7:42 am

And to the idiot who further suggesting throwing paint: GET A LIFE. This is not what the Rebbe meant by showing people the beauties of Yiddishkeit.

hmmm..
September 1, 2011 10:42 pm

there’s something very strange about a rav who’s walking around looking for non-tznius women and taking pictures of them… enough said

Going too far...
September 1, 2011 10:40 pm

In Iran, they too have a “Tznius Police.”The people there take it upon themselves to report on each other and decide who is un-tznius. The women in question are humiliated and horribly mistreated until they fall in line and pledge to toe the mark. It would seem that we may have more in common than we first believed in our arab brothers. Where will this lead? And who is going to police the tznius police?

Omg
September 1, 2011 10:34 pm

i didnt even read other ppls comments i was so outraged. #1 all of u who r men, cannot begin to imagine how hard tznius is. let alone to sit here and judge woman abt the way they dress and to take pictures?! u havwnt ever expieienced it. so u can not judge till ur in our shoes. #2 how wud that solve the issue of tznius rabbi?! personally it just made me mad and in no way wud it encourag9e girls to dress better. it wud only push them away more. #3 i thought chabad was abt welcoming everyone… Read more »

don't judge the other if you can't be in his shoes!
September 1, 2011 10:13 pm

I hate it when men talk about tznius, like they know what they’re talking about — they know NOTHING!!!!

great line
September 1, 2011 1:25 pm

I was at a family simcha last week, and there was a family member there with a long blonde shaitel and a short green dress. My mom, a senior citizen said ‘I’m sorry her husband isnt doing well financially…he cant afford another feew inches on her dress!

Oh come on!
September 1, 2011 11:39 am

As one of the people you are trying to “fix” in crown heights, I will tell it like it is. Obviously, if I am wearing a tichel or a short or tight skirt, I am aware of it and therefore, I am showing that I don’t particularly care about the so called standards. So if you tell me I am disrespecting the Rebbe, or if you photograph me, that won’t change. I am fully aware of what I do. And I speak for many others. What makes you think your words will have any positive effect. We aren’t interested. At… Read more »

#154
September 1, 2011 7:57 am

Can somebody please tell me when and where the Rebbe spoke clearly about not wearing a tichel?
I can’t seem to find anyone that can give me that information.

oh, yes, our house is on fire
September 1, 2011 12:32 am

Is this the way? Who knows? But other more “gentle” way to correct this worldwide problem have not NO success; it’s only gotten worse and worse. It is in the “finest families” no “yichus” family seems to be immune (how sad). The core is lack of yira shamayim; this is the core; otherwise, how could the women display themselves thusly? So how can we get to THAT problem. I certainly agree, a big key is the husbands who permit/enjoy it (and now the little girls are being brought up with this example, of “mommy doesn’t” do whatever the halacha calls… Read more »

rude! rude! rude!
September 1, 2011 12:16 am

I dont think its going to help because some woman weather they are sznios or not they do not want people taking pictures of them. If one says that if woman dont want people to take pictures of them then they should be sznios to some extent that is blackmail. I think taking pictures of sombody without their permission is only an envation of privacy!

to # 200
August 31, 2011 11:14 pm

This will not work. For one,it will embarrass people and two, if women are not tznius maybe they do not feel connected enough to the Rebbe. Why in your comment do you put the Rebbe before Hashem?

207
August 31, 2011 10:47 pm

EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW,,
ur soo disgusting,, how dare u think of such a disgudting idea.
voting for tznius women???/

to #172
August 31, 2011 9:24 pm

well put. yes its all rabonim etc. but every husband is the “rov” in his household, so its up to the men to speak out to their wives, and they should be farbrenged to. Problem is, whenever there’s a tznius lecture in CH the men that should come don’t!

to #182
August 31, 2011 8:05 pm

Well put!

Wow!
August 31, 2011 7:27 pm

So a tichel is untznius. Humm.

sounds like muslims
August 31, 2011 7:21 pm

is this guy taking ideas from the muslims or somehting? reeealllly weeiiird sounds crazy to me

Wow...
August 31, 2011 5:51 pm

Dosen’t anyone find something a little strange about this???
Disgusting!

cant u see ?????
August 31, 2011 2:01 pm

omg when the rebbe was with us the the women were dressed differently then now.now evryone is dressed horribly because there is no rabonim or anyone in charge of the tznius standerds in ch i think that the rov is right if crown heights dosnt change moshiach will never come chas veshalom!!!!!!!!!

207
August 31, 2011 1:29 pm

make sure you blur out the face

CH Tznius
August 31, 2011 11:44 am

I am actually working on a project like this in Crown Heights. The plan is to put the photos online and then have people vote up or down the most untznius women in Crown Heights. The top ten untznius women will win free burqas sponsored by advertising. Please email me at [email protected] for more info or to sponsor.

i wana thro up
August 31, 2011 11:07 am

a beter idea is 2 do nothing this can just make things wors

Here's an idea
August 31, 2011 7:46 am

Better yet, how ’bout forming a Taliban?

example
August 31, 2011 4:41 am

We had some very special teachers in London who dressed really smartly,wore little but effective make up and engaged their pupils in calm,open discussions on many personal matters,which were perhaps difficult to have at home.These were true role models whom the girls and women could relate to.Often our teachers are too young to tackle tznius issues and we need mature ladies to return to the classroom for the good of our teens and to influence their colleagues.

BS"D
August 31, 2011 1:12 am

Although the Rebbe encouraged women to wear sheitels, tichels are still tznius!! Also, if a woman wants to wear a skirt that’s a bit above her knee or have a little elbow showing, then that’s her business! Yes, it’s not tznius but it’s also none of anybody else’s business. It is incredibly rude and classless and it’s not anybody’s place to have “tznius talks” with these women. They have mothers and father for that. Yes, it’s extremely important that a bas melech be tznius at all times BUT that does not give anybody the right to take pictures of women… Read more »

To 169
August 31, 2011 1:10 am

Saying there needs to be this and there needs to be that can hardly be called a plan.

thank you 195
August 31, 2011 12:50 am

also,i think most people just like writing out the words,”immoral and intrusive” it makes them sound intelligent. feed the ego,man!

Solution for ch
August 31, 2011 12:37 am

I think this may be a solution for ch tznius issue For men and ladies who see a non tznius lady to tell her ” by dressing this way you bring shame to the Rebbe, Hashem your family and kids and the community! However if you dress proper you then will bring honor to the Rebbe Hashem your kids and family and the community! I really think if many of us say this 20 second sentence to all those not tznius ladies than if they hear it enough it will make them feel uncomfortable and make them think twice what… Read more »

Videos too....
August 31, 2011 12:35 am

Show the shchorim and the goyim on the street who are staring. Then interview them for their ‘critique’ of the subject that just passed by. Blur her face and voila!

to #13
August 31, 2011 12:33 am

And hopefully get them out of CH where our sons, daughters and husbands, don’t have to see them.!

CLARITY !
August 31, 2011 12:29 am

for all those who dont know : YES indeed TZNIUS is the most important issue ,it keeps the SHCHINA between us & gives us HEALTH,WEALTH,NACHAS etc. BGASHMIUS ! we all need it.

Seriously??
August 31, 2011 12:24 am

I have an idea… why don’t we create a committee, let’s call it the Committee for the Prevention of Vice and the Promotion of Virtue, and we can have them patrolling the streets looking for any violations of tznius. But why stop there? What if a committee member sees a woman socializing with a man who is not her husband? The committee member would be authorized to stop that as well. Does that sound good?? If it does, you might enjoy living in Saudi Arabia because that’s exactly what they do there.

to all the 'loosers' out there:
August 30, 2011 10:38 pm

if you’re going to call someone a ‘loser’ please have the decency to spell it correctly.

kfar chabad alumni
August 30, 2011 10:21 pm

I personally knowthere is a need to change th tznius matzav there but THIS is most definitly NOT the way to do it!

Chabad=Tolerance
August 30, 2011 9:05 pm

Isn’t Chabad and Chasidus all about TOLERANCE???
I believe in this case the Rebbe who has the most Ahavas Israel and is a real “Kanai” would say

for outsiders Tolerance, for insiders “Zero Tolerance.
Our biggest mistake, we had 10 years of tolerance and distruction.
BTW at your son’s Bar Mitzva or wedding would you also dress like that?? Kingston Ave is Not your bedroom!!
Respect Torah, respect the rebbe, respect your community, respect your family, respect your kids and please RESPECT YOURSELF.

O' Please....
August 30, 2011 7:45 pm

So why can’t the photographer walk over to the “Untznius” lady and ask her softly: ” what’s your name please?” “Rebitzen” Ashkenazi would like to have a pep talk with you…and not to shove the flash of camera on her. Just to let you know…there are sooo many women who seems to be so modest etc…

This is the greatest idea!!!!!!
August 30, 2011 7:08 pm

CLASSIC LINE:
Asked why he chose this course of action, the rabbi answered: “Do you have any other suggestions for me? I have written a letter a few times without any results.”

Nu? Any suggestions? Anyone?

Nu? Respect for Rabbonim? Anyone?

Kol HaKavod Rav Ashkenazi!!!!!!!!!!

i think
August 30, 2011 6:47 pm

I think that it’s very good idea!!!! The girls in crown heights are really לא צנועות

Adoniah
August 30, 2011 6:37 pm

And this is why there are fewer and fewer following the Torah each generation.

This is crazy!!!
August 30, 2011 6:13 pm

Taking pictures is intrusive, immoral, and invades privacy! This is wrong in every manner. The reason why women/girls are wearing clothes like this is only for attention, and what does taking pictures accomplish? Giving them more attention!
The height of stupidity!

Shaitelmachers
August 30, 2011 5:47 pm

Will there be picture taking of any shaitelmacher who convinces all the kallas to go with very long shaitels?

Wanda Ring
August 30, 2011 5:45 pm

Gee, there’s a lot of comments!

thats ridiculous
August 30, 2011 5:39 pm

excuse me but not every one has the same standards and everyone can dress how they want its really rude

A photo???
August 30, 2011 5:30 pm

How would THIS rabbi like it if HaShem too pictures of HIM and showed it to the angels up in heaven so that they could criticize, and show others how not to act/look??? No. This is wrong. Niether the Rabbi, nor his wife is G-d. A conversation with a woman in private may work. But a photograph to embarrass???? Don’t think so!!

Since when is Torah true Judaism a democracy that we vote on our laws??
August 30, 2011 5:08 pm

Our Rebbe tells us what he believes is our way,and we do it. This is not a matter for our subjective perception or misguided interpretation. There is great chesed in gevurah too.
Benveniste,Tsfat

to #6 "invasion of PRIVACY"??
August 30, 2011 4:30 pm

its too funny!

to show ur privay in public is ok! but those same ppl are complaining that its an invassion of privacy?!

u r invading the streets with PRIVACY!!

noooo
August 30, 2011 4:14 pm

this is deffinetly not the way to do things…
embaressing women? embaressing is like killing.

To #172
August 30, 2011 4:14 pm

Best comment yet!! I agree if the husbands would ask in a loving way the women would listen…..& then Bizchus Noshim Tzidkaniyos………………

to 173
August 30, 2011 3:54 pm

Wrong!

I have no problem with znius issues – I am a baale’a le’teshuva and long skirts suit me just fine!

You however are DEFLECTING from the issues.

One wonders if you are ,sorry to say, one of those “problems” mentioned.

Too bad – what a vain and empty comment.

#28
August 30, 2011 3:38 pm

YOUR ON THE BALL!

chaim yisroel
August 30, 2011 3:06 pm

THE REBBE DID NOT WANT PEOPLE TAKING PICTURES! HE FORBADE PEOPLE FROM TAKING PICTURES OF HIM FOR A FEW YEARS!!!

HOW DARE THEY?!

i dear U
August 30, 2011 3:06 pm

this is harassment and it will be reported

No need to make a fuss!
August 30, 2011 2:56 pm

The pictures are taken by a woman photographer and will be seen only by women. So why all this fuss?

It’s a good idea and I wish the Rov much success.

Tahara
August 30, 2011 2:42 pm

Focus on the good, not the bad. Why is there no shiur for men in Taharas HaMishpacha in CH? Rav Braun gave 5 lectures, but we need a weekly shiur. Increasing in Torah, and specifically Taharas HaMishpacha will have a big affect on our shechuna. Good Chodesh

To 167
August 30, 2011 2:39 pm

You seem to think there are moreimportant issues, probably because you dress in a manner unfit for a jewish lady

loi acbara ganva
August 30, 2011 1:59 pm

It’s not the womens fault… it is the fault of the men!

If a husband asks his wife nicely to dress appropriately then she would… the reason she dresses the way she does is because her husband condones and even encourages it

So someone should farbreng with the men and explain to them that the ball is in their court and that the responsibility is theirs alone to see that their wives are encouraged to dress al pi halacho

Next
August 30, 2011 1:54 pm

Taking pictures of all the people illegally building in Kfar Habad (ie expanding their houses and building illegal “basement apartments” to rent). Oh oops not as exciting.

Dear Rav Ashkenazi
August 30, 2011 1:46 pm

although your intentions are not to embarrass any women, a woman with a camera in her face as she drops off her child will very likely be embarrassed, may i respectfully suggest a video camera hanging at the entrance where parents drop off their children? your wife can watch from the comfort of her own home and this will take away from embarrassing the photographer as well….

to 162 and all others who ask for a better plan
August 30, 2011 1:42 pm

SEE 159, now THAT makes sense, this is just brutish bully tactics to “show” who’s in charge, what would the Rebbe tell him ? how would the rebbe suggest or instruct this to be handled? pictures? no…again see 159

To 68
August 30, 2011 1:35 pm

WOW look how untznius that woman / girl / Man / boy / whoever is etc, shocking, they should be thrown out of CH…..we cannot tolerate this…..let them live somewhere else….oh! wait a minute, they are a frei couple thinking about coming closer to yiddishkeit….NOW it’s OK! lets welcome them, invite them in, be nice to them, gradually encorage them, lets not be to harsh….lets not push to hard….why would we be so harsh and rude on unzere but warm and welcoming to fremde ? we need to treat our own with at least the same compassion caring warmth and… Read more »

Fix your issues first - then we talk! by CH Mom!
August 30, 2011 1:31 pm

what a farce.
fix your own home first – that means let the rabbonim get it it together. Let CH get there ahavas yisroel together first….then maybe we can talk. Stop with machlokes.
STop the divisions. the hate the sina.
The heck with skirt lengths – you got way more urgent matters to deal with first.
You actually think anyone will listen to tznius issues?
You have your head in the sand.
Many of this comments are right on target lambasting the dumb photo taking scheme.

2 # 25!!!!!!!!!
August 30, 2011 1:10 pm

U R 100% RIGHT!!!!

this has to be a joke
August 30, 2011 12:45 pm

when we have our priorities straight we look in the mirror and see where improvement is needed. lets work on our priorities first.

Calendar
August 30, 2011 12:39 pm

Maybe the pictures can be used for a fund raising calender for vaad mishmeres hatznius.

education not shaming is the answer!
August 30, 2011 12:27 pm
Negativity
August 30, 2011 12:10 pm

To all those criticizing R’ Ashkenazi: Zipper your lips, unless you have a better plan that hasn’t been tried yet.

A WOMAN'S VIEW
August 30, 2011 11:10 am

I am a woman living in Crown Hieights. and am disgusted wilth not just the women who dress like prostetutes but at their husbands who go along with it for whatever reason! yes, we’ve been doing the “darchei noam” thing too long and it’s just getting worse. more women dressing – I should really say “undressing” worse and worse by the day. I happen to dress nicely – according to my frends opinions, but somehow miraculously manage to be tzniusdik at the same time. and I’m not the only one. I think the pictures idea is a great one and… Read more »

Btw
August 30, 2011 11:09 am

If it will happen in CH and the photos are represented to one of rabonim’s wife, just take the same photo to the other Rabbi’s wife and tell her that the other wife said its not approved, 2nd wife will approve.

mashpia
August 30, 2011 11:09 am

The Rebbe once spoke about women wearing a sheitel then spoke about the need for people to have mashpiim. The problem is that a lot of people do not have mashpiim or they do not have contact with them or the mashpia they do have is not good for them. The Rav and Rebbetzin should first see to it that everyone in the kfar has a mashpia and the mashpia has regular contact with the mashpiim. The mashpiim for children should not be their teachers but someone a bit older. Also, the mashpiim themselves must have mashpiim. There needs to… Read more »

i wish her a lot of hatzlocha
August 30, 2011 10:46 am

nowadays its just hard to find nice economic clothing in any store- so unless somebody is very strong .. she is not gonna care much . cuz she will have to make a huge effort to find tznius clothes .
its all about the ratzon of the person !

oh just another commentor...
August 30, 2011 10:46 am

Yeah yeah obviously I don’t think this is a good idea. I just have one question: one big resounding WHY? I mean you look at these women in crown heights and they are B-e-a-utiful!! I cannot fathom what would make a beautiful girl or woman with as beautiful a face as they have dress in that manner. They have it! Don’t they understand, G-d blessed them with something so special and unique I don’t understand why they need to “add” to their beauty by wearing tight or revealing clothes. I walk down the street and try to send them silent… Read more »

from a tzniusdik woman
August 30, 2011 10:44 am

I can understand the need for drastic measures to be taken as I too am appalled by the lack of tznius in the way women today dress- but this? It seems perverse to have photographs taken – and this brings many other halachic questions into play- firstly are the photographers going to be women? the sin is for the men to observe these untzniusdik women and last I checked to take a photo you need to be looking….

Pishen arayn Nevel
August 30, 2011 10:43 am

Im sure when my family lived in Nevel, such a thing never would have happened.
Even if they had cameras……
Wake up becoming the Taliban will not help.

a few points to consider
August 30, 2011 10:43 am

lets ponder a few points being discussed here 1. tichel: the rebbe clearly said that a woman should not walk on the street with a tichel 2. ahavas yisroel: this argument has destroyed any principles that chabad was built on by the rebbeim, yes ahavas yisroel is important, but not enough to destroy our entire heritage 3. taliban: actually chabad is a very very frum community, well at least it should be, just look at all the takonos etc the rebbeim set up over the past few hundred years, we are meant to be yirei shomayim, eating strictly kosher &… Read more »

Where can I apply for the job????
August 30, 2011 10:39 am

🙂

Chassidic dress code???
August 30, 2011 10:38 am

Its Halocha!!! Tznius is the JEWISH dress code, not a Chassidic Minhag!!!!

good
August 30, 2011 10:34 am

said # 142

-142
August 30, 2011 10:24 am

ahavas yisroel is the whole parsha in the torah!

Are we chasidim or not?
August 30, 2011 10:21 am

Torah never taught “Mind your own business”! All Jews are responsible for each others. Stop spreading this western idea of “Mind your own business”! Chabad is a chiasidus, Kfar Chabad is a chasidic village. If people disagree with the standards partaining to a chasidic community, the solution is quite simple: move elsewhere, like in Tel Aviv or one of the many secular and modern cities of Eretz Yisroel, but don’t force us to see your untzniusdike attire and rebellion against Torah and halocho. This being said, there is nothing untzniusdike in wearing a tichel, and sometimes it’s even more comfortable… Read more »

On Second thought
August 30, 2011 10:18 am

I have a great idea! how about shoot a video of these woman and than charge people money to see all the non tznius women. WILL BE A HUGE HIT WITH ALL THE BOCHURIM!

The Rebbe never forbade the tichel
August 30, 2011 10:08 am

While I agree that something MUST be done against those women who don’t wear Tzniusdike, I don’t understand what’s the issue if a woman wear a tichel instead of a sheitel. As a Sheitel, if the tichel completely covers the hair, there is no issue of wearing one. My wife is a fifth generation Lubavitcher, and in her family they always wore a tichel. And if you look closely, the Rebbe, eventhough he insisted on a sheitel, NEVER said “no” to a tichel. In fact, they were many Lubavitch women married to great chassidim of the Rebbe who didn’t have… Read more »

I HAVE A BETTER IDEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 30, 2011 9:59 am

have a sniper on the roof of the school, when they see a untznius women they shoot them with a tranquilizer arrow. then they are loaded into trucks and driven to the CFFUDW (correctional facility for untzniously dressed women) where they are rehabilitated by renowned psychiatric professionals and are saved from eternal heck yada yada. after a year they are released. and are hopefully now ready to dress according to halachik standerds for the rest of their days.

The Rov is right!
August 30, 2011 9:59 am

I don’t understand why respect should be one way! People are asking to be “tolerant” about those untzniusdike women. But why don’t you respect those who don’t want to see that? Why don’t you respect those who want to keep their eyes undisturbed by your lack of tznius? Dress as a chosid should be or move out elsewhere! there is no reason a Lubavitcher should look less tznisudike than other chassidim! Chabad is a chasidus not Modern Orthodoxy! That’s why I 100% agree with HaRav Ashkenazi!

what has become of us???
August 30, 2011 9:56 am

why is it so easy to find the faultiness in others but when it comes to our selves we close our eyes and hearts. If this is the “extraordinary” idea that rabbis have today we have some major issues in our communities. how is this encouraging growth? Where is the love we teach our children to show to others? we don’t need somebody spying on us Jewish women. What we do need is love and acceptance. I am saddened and hopeful if this is how far we fell we can hopefully only go up from here.

Get Real
August 30, 2011 9:54 am

He is going to sell the pictures to Fashion Magazine for a few bucks.

We should do the same in CH!
August 30, 2011 9:52 am

The Rov is right! We should realize that after some times, words have no power. When words have no power, the only thing remaining is to take action!

We should do the same in Crown Heights!

It is an embarrassment for the whole community! Why is it that Lubavitcher are so lax when it comes to tznius? Ahavas Yisroel is not the only parsha in the Torah!

#133 is very funny,if you can understand it
August 30, 2011 9:46 am

“…illegal
illegal, immoral and anti-halacha.
if this goes thru i’m hiring a…. “layer. “

Who really feels good when they dress untsnius?
August 30, 2011 9:40 am

Getting dressed in an untsniusdike way is the expression of a

profond pain!

These women are suffering bc nobody is guiding them and

helping them to find their own healthy way of life !

PLEASE BE SENSITIVE AND EXAMINE THE TRUE REALITY OF HUMAN BEING BEHAVIOR!

The education ,continues throughout life,

ppl need guidance even after reaching adulthood!

ridiculous
August 30, 2011 9:36 am

since when is it mandatory to wear a sheitel ?I never heard that covering your hair with a tichel was wrong…what if these ladies couldn’t afford to buy a wig or simply are more comfortable in a head scarf ?? the end doesn’t justify the means ,besides what garantees the rabbi has that it would work? we all know that a nice word goes a long way and can accomplish more than humiliation…shame shame shame..

"Spare the rod...spoil the child!"-King Solomon
August 30, 2011 9:34 am

“…If you are merciful to wickedness,in the end,you will be wicked to the merciful.”-Yoma 22B and Kohelet 7-7
Desperate times call for desperate measures.
D.Benveniste,Tsfat

dep
August 30, 2011 9:18 am

besides all else, it is not fair for people who have chosen to give in to their yetzer haras, weaknesses (from childhood anger, from confusion, from the need to “fit in”, etc), to change the system. If they have a need to make change, they should just find their own place to live. It just shows that they need our system, and just want to change it, which is rediculous and unjust.

Verdict of King Salamon!!
August 30, 2011 9:12 am

Just as by king Salamon the “real mother” screamed dont cut the kid in half, now also all the ladies or man who justify this “pritzus” in Crown Heights are screaming “gevald”, respect the privacy, bla bla bla……….
If you want “RESPECT OF PRIVACY” keep your private parts covered.
Some CH women and girls look like “Portoricans”.
Tznius will bring a blessing for the home and the community.
Remember!! Your kids will always dare to take a few steps further than you!!!

One other thought
August 30, 2011 8:26 am

If the women will be embarrassed, they know how the look is wrong & they may be inspired to be more appropriate. If they think they’re right, they won’t be embarrassed.

No problem, then.

wow
August 30, 2011 8:26 am

so now we are a cult with taliban “like” leaders. Great way to keep us in the fold. Makes me want to personally give you what to take pics of and then use that to tell myself your all nuts and I can do whatever I want because my leaders are phsyco anyway. Why would I care what you think? If I’m going to work on my tznius it sure as heck aint gonna be for you!

illegal
August 30, 2011 8:10 am

illegal, immoral and anti-halacha.
if this goes thru i’m hiring a layer.

We can all contribute
August 30, 2011 8:03 am

post them online, and we will vote from 1 to 5 stars how untznius they are!
I disagree with those who think that this pushes away people from Yidishkeit, on the contrary! many people will come closer if we show them the beauty of Judaism!
P.S. that is probably illegal!

מעניין
August 30, 2011 7:26 am

האם התמונות יישארו אצל הרב ??

An un-tsnius idea
August 30, 2011 7:20 am

It’s fine for the Rav to want to address the problem, but announcing that women will be photographed is in itself un-tznius. Better to start a campaign headed by the rebbitzen in which she invites women for tea and shiurim on the subject, a leaflet campaign, headed by teenagers, etc. Get the women involved without embarrassing the community!!

this is sad!!!
August 30, 2011 6:49 am

cant say that i am nessecaraly tzniusdik, but its so sad to see how much weaker our generation is. i think its a good idea to do something about it, but not with taking pics!!! and like some others i also think for now JUST MIND UR OWN BUISNESS until u find a good solution!!!!! hashem yaasor. all the girls and woman, including myself should ask themselves : would i be comfortable if mashiach sees me the way i am dressed now!!!

Way to go Rabbi A!!
August 30, 2011 6:24 am

If they don’t dress according to the way they agreed to, they should move out of Kfar and move to a modern orthodox community or to Tel Aviv…

Great Idea
August 30, 2011 5:55 am

Just make sure to post this photos online so we enjoy.

Commenter's
August 30, 2011 5:37 am

I find this all quite sad. I can’t remember all the numbers of the comments, but 1) one wrote this could have worked if not publicized – I am in total agreement. 2) This article isn’t a place for others to vent. And all those who comment such harsh negative comments should really be very careful 3) I don’t think THIS article will push people off the derech, but rather the comments will – there are ways of saying opinions, there are ways of talking to people 4) someone mentioned that all those who are dressed up to the standards… Read more »

Why
August 30, 2011 4:37 am

I wonder why women and men feel they want to dress the way they do!!! One can look neat and mordern but be Tznius at the same time, the only way people will change if they want to themselves.

Guess What Everybody
August 30, 2011 4:07 am

Whether you like it or not, everyone’s photo already IS available- thanks to Facebook and the newssites like this one.

comments
August 30, 2011 3:59 am

Not sure I am totally comfortable with this BUT Rabbosai and Rebetzens! What is happening to us! People are saying tzinuis HALOCHOS – yes HALOCHOS – are like communist russia! They are saying Mind Your Own Business!! Don’t mommy other people!! That might just possibly be argued for what ppl do in their own home BUT tznius is “out there” and affects the other people, the people you lead astray, the kids you set a bad example too… Yes Torah society and frum society IS about concerns for how people lead their lives…

positive reinforcement cont.
August 30, 2011 3:52 am

or-and here I’m just thinking aloud:
have women enter a chinese auction/raffle
for signing up to committing to tznius aspect a, b, c
the more you sign up to commit, the more chance on winning
no one checking up on your privacy, dress code etc., but your own conscience
local stores/businesses who so generously donate to tzedaka can give prizes for this worthy cause
everyone allowed to participate
men, women & children-to add in tznius each in their own way
with special guidelines for each category
winners announced at major community event

Let the men do something!
August 30, 2011 3:31 am

Let’s take pictures of men acting inappropriately,i.e. drinking and eating too much at Farbrengins, talking coarsely,etc. Think of something more inspirational. The people who you want to reach will just be put off and turned off. Is that your goal?????

Help
August 30, 2011 3:30 am

Great idea. Doesn’t everyone see that talking lovingly and gently and being mekarev these people who have no regard for tznius just DOES NOT WORK! If we continue to ‘accept with love’ everything, we have no chance of surviving as a community! I’d love to hear from a woman who has in the past dressed totally untzniusdig and has been inspired to take stock of herself and change. I’d love to know what did it for her! Does such a woman exist? I don’t mean improvement in a small way- many of us are working all the time to make… Read more »

TO #4
August 30, 2011 3:29 am

EXACTLY! no shaming, blaming and hollaring. Dracheha darchei noam.
It’s going to be done as a loving “pep-talk”.
Would someone please do it in CH? There are so many women who under-dress ONLY because it’s so “normal” nowadays. They need someone to explain what tznius really is.

To the rov
August 30, 2011 3:07 am

would it be possible to post any of the pics : )

Shadchan
August 30, 2011 3:06 am

This is exactly why there’s a shiduch crisis, because who really wants a tznius girl??????
everyone pretends to be chasidish theyr’e all fakers!!!!!
so the shiduch crisis continues. therefore what this rov is doing is the right thing.

with
August 30, 2011 2:50 am

ll thees comments it shows how much we are butel to das torah

#102
August 30, 2011 2:49 am

YOU WANA SEE THE PICS HE!!??

To #28
August 30, 2011 2:39 am

“try the Chabad House style….” Yeah, and become like so many of those “tolerant” shluchos who have become just like their mekuravim. I have been around and it’s shocking to see how so many of those reps of the Rebbe dress. Sadly, many of them are very far from tznius. It is deplorable and I would rather not describe the way I have seen some of todays shluchos dressing worse than many of CH’s young ladies. Perhaps that’s the example set for CH, of course “if the shluchos and rebetzins can dress like that…” So I’m not sure if you’re… Read more »

Boomerang idea!
August 30, 2011 2:34 am

This idea will backfire like a boomerang!
I also find it terribly silly to make a big deal out of a lady covering her hair with a tichel!!!The Rebbemayhave rather she wore a shaitel, but many frum ladies wear tichels and we don’t send the Taliban after them.
Yuck, and I”m a man.
P.S Chabad in todays version is not Williamsburg.There are many newcomers and the old school kids are also more modern.To think that you can make Kfar Chabad into Williamsburg/Mea Shearim, is not to be realistic

backtrack
August 30, 2011 2:29 am

B”H I spent a long time in the Kfar and the fact of the matter is that living there means that you need to listen to the Rabbi. The fact that no one listens to him just means that he needs to make his point. The Kfar is not a chabad house for the residents its a chabad house for the not frum people that go there to be inspired. If you don’t like the water in crown heights then move to maine. If you can’t handle the rules then move! Same goes for anywhere in the world. He has… Read more »

positive reinforcement
August 30, 2011 2:16 am

local stores (clothing, jewelry, food, other)
should give out COUPONS
for tznius dress
obviously, a woman would need to handle that distribution
but hey, it may be worth it!
If I can get a discount and good deal in shopping….
I’d do anything-
a shaitel, long sleeves, collar bone & knees covered-
I’m Jewish after all & always love a good deal,
it just might be worth trying to dress tznius-
even for those few moments of ‘inspection’
so long as I get that deal!!!!

agreed with 99
August 30, 2011 1:58 am

even though it says this will not embarass poeple, sorry but it will!!! embarassing is like (or worse then) killing!!!!

BS''D
August 30, 2011 1:52 am

Do it for all of us!

It IS embarassing! :(
August 30, 2011 1:39 am

I don’t understand how this can possibly be a good idea. why should people care about how people dress? yes, the rebbe did say to wear shaitle outside the home, but everyone has their own pace and do everything in good time. i don’t belive this idea will be beneficisl, it may lead to people being pushed away.
please don’t go taking pictures of women who are not up to your standards, 1: its a free country. 2: fix yourself first!!!!!!!

cher
August 30, 2011 1:34 am

I am a married woman, and this whole tznius saga has started making me sick. There are so many problems in our community, starting with basic decency and mentchlichkeit. “Chassidish” or “frum” people, who lie, cheat, are obnoxious, or lack basic manners. I don’t think it makes sense to harp on the tznius, there are so many other issues. Yes,tznius is one of them, but in CH, it has become the biggest issue! Why? There are so many other issues. Lashon hara, sinas chinam, derech eretz…Derech eretz kadma latorah! every mitzvah is important, why is tznius the only thing everyone… Read more »

to 46
August 30, 2011 1:31 am

I think thats a great idea haha

Offer to help
August 30, 2011 1:23 am

So, there will be a lot of photos of these women dressed immodestly. I am volunteering some of my time to sort through the photos for the sake of the community. As a man, I have a much better understanding of what is immodesty. For the photos that are VERY untzinius, I will keep them for safekeeping.

S

Modesty - An Adornment for Life
August 30, 2011 1:09 am

An excellent book sold in crown heights and its companion – the Tznius Handbook both by Rabbi Eliyahu Falk of Gatreshead community of England.

Something is certainly missing in the matter of inspiring womens education if the main sentiment related to our holy chassidishe levushim is to ‘grow up and shed ones seminary clothes.’

Our bochurim are strengthened and prideful in the matter of their dress and related mesirus nefesh and women need to be as well for a healthy and thriving and successful community, shalom bayis, and most importantly healthy and plentiful offspring!

from a crown heightser
August 30, 2011 1:06 am

every girl or woman who dresses untznius know exactly that its wrong and dont care so maybe they do need to be photographed maybe they will realize its time to respect the rebbes shchuna if they dont move elsewhere and dont hak about pushing away lame excuse these are mostly ffb who know that it is soo wrong

GREAT IDEA!!!!
August 30, 2011 12:58 am

THIS IS USCH A GREAT IDEA WERE MAIKING A PHOTO GALLERY OF ALL THE NOT TZNIUS WOMEN NICE!!!!

modesty
August 30, 2011 12:55 am

I completely agree with comments 59, 60 and 63. I was thinking along the same lines as I was reading this atrocity. Focus on inner qualities more than outer appearance when judging a person. MODESTY IS SO MUCH MORE THAN HOW ONE DRESSES!!! HOW SOMEONE DRESSES DOES NOT DEFINE THEM ENTIRELY AS A PERSON; THEIR CHARACTER DOES. It’s appalling that an uncovered elbow is considered an offense above so many other things that need to be fixed first. Lack of respect for one another is a disaster, arrogance is a tragedy, loshon hara is embarrassing — much more than a… Read more »

TO #4-#6
August 30, 2011 12:45 am

I think he knows better than you 2 so stop trying to solve the worlds issues and let the people witch are on a much higher level than you deal with it, unless its offending you in some personal way!!!!!!

Stupid
August 30, 2011 12:41 am

It’s stupid to think you will change people by surreptitiously taking pictures of them and then having talks. It’s weird and sick. This Rabbi needs to mind his own business. Jeez. This is the stuff that gives Ortho Jews a bad name.

I agree
August 30, 2011 12:41 am

With #69

#11
August 30, 2011 12:29 am

u contradict yourself
you say the rebbe wouldnt agree with taking pictures and they should not accept children in school if parents arent tzinius.
we know for sure the rebbe doesnt hold of that!!!

Pictures in Crown Heights
August 30, 2011 12:18 am

Lest we forget, Crown Heights IS not only taking pictures but broadcasting them out to the world over the net. Next time you pass the Draidle in front of the Children’s Museum, turn around and wave TO THE WORLD. I know my children have waved to mommy at home when there.

I hope no one climbs up 770 and tries to break the camera now….

To #23
August 30, 2011 12:15 am

Way to go Dovid- say it as it is

obviously those who are only half dr
August 30, 2011 12:04 am

essed wont like this idea. thebottom line is that if you choose to live in a frum community, you should respect it. if the lifestyle does not suit you, why would you want to live here and pollute it?

If you don't want to be photographed in the street dressed a certain way,
August 29, 2011 11:53 pm

just don’t show yourself that way….

Just wondering
August 29, 2011 11:50 pm

How many commenters here have wives that dress in the modern-Lubavitch style ?/?

i agree
August 29, 2011 11:50 pm

tell rabbi ashkenazi to forward me the pics, ill take a good look at them! ohh yaaa

@40
August 29, 2011 11:50 pm

Very amusing. I think that your specimens have something that they believe in and that should be encouraged. I imagine your medical pro would concur though with the caveat that the accusatory tineof the uber-chassidish be toned down to more audible-to-human levels.

Bottom line: some things that have become accepted in lubavitch communities are against shulchan aruch and at the very least, people should be embarrassed about it.

EA Shadchan 2012

push people away
August 29, 2011 11:44 pm

Crown Heights has a lot to answer for. If they even attempt anything like this, they will push people further and further away. Mind your own business and stop paying so much attention to others. People need to start looking inwards, and stop pointing fingers and cameras

Will it work
August 29, 2011 11:42 pm

I can’t say if the rabbis idea will work I can only speak for myself.

all this accomplished for me was made me loose more respect to Rabbonim.

to # 6
August 29, 2011 11:40 pm

“an invasion of privacy.”??!
once they dress undignified in public, it is no longer privacy.

PATHETIC!
August 29, 2011 11:34 pm

SUE THEM SUE THEM SUE THEM!!!! this should be illegal!

Gotta Love It!
August 29, 2011 11:27 pm

!

Perel
August 29, 2011 11:24 pm

Everyone who thinks this is a good idea should be ashamed of themselves.
We are not allowed to shame people. By the way, posting pictures of non-tzniusly dressed women is providing very generous opportunity for other people, the voyeurs, to see them. As a matter of fact, many times the measurement used to decide has more to do with mental illness than it ever had to do with halacha.
Teach with love and understanding. Do not berate, embarrass and cause separation between the Jewish people. THAT is ASSUR.

59 is right on!
August 29, 2011 11:20 pm

Lol, that sounds like a great idea. Great parallel.
Another option, photograph people making purchases at the Makolet that isnt in keeping with chabad’s kashrus standards and make an appointment to pep talk.

LA Morah
August 29, 2011 11:14 pm

obviously this idea feels uncomfortable but those who show a total lack of derech eretz through there dress have brougth this on themselves and on lubavitch.to be “mekarev” these indivisuals sounds nice but devaila the house is burning down and emergency measures must be taken.

Finally Some one Has the Guts To take action
August 29, 2011 11:10 pm

Lets see if they can implement ; Hope fuly in will get a positive Spin And Move the required action here

Good Idea...
August 29, 2011 11:09 pm

Look at three things and you won’t come to sin: Know what is above you — AN EYE THAT SEES, and ear that hears, and that ALL YOUR DEEDS ARE WRITTEN IN A BOOK.

My not so humble opinion
August 29, 2011 11:06 pm

Had this been done without publicizing it, with no fanfare
it could have worked. Not now, though.

Simchas Beis H'ashuava Is Comming
August 29, 2011 11:06 pm

For the Tzniuas I Leave Crown Heights Every Succas & Return After Simchas Torah; I need not Elaburate How Many Children Lost Their Way as the Pritzu’s Exposes it self Then

to 47
August 29, 2011 10:59 pm

GENIUS!!!

chutzpah
August 29, 2011 10:58 pm

Before Moshiach coming, people have more chutzpah. Unfortunately, it’s now in a negative direction with people not dressing tznius. The challenge is to turn chutzpa in a positive direction. Encourage the women instead to use their trait of chutzpah by doing mitzvoim.

Positive role models
August 29, 2011 10:57 pm

Maybe his wife and other women who do dress tznius should examine first their dress and actions to see if they are being positive role models to others and to see if they have warmth and love for their fellow Jews.
The Rebbe said before that with girls it is better if their peers try to influence them.

to # 63
August 29, 2011 10:52 pm

a shaitel that prevokes men could be worse than a tichel

2) to some opinion your not supose to wear a shaitel

to # 60
August 29, 2011 10:47 pm

not bing tzneius is shooting misiles at men so many could be hurt more then 10 more then 20

GOING ON
August 29, 2011 10:44 pm

AS YOU TALK THIS IS ALREADY BEING PREPARED BY PEOPLE IN CROWN HEIGHTS. THEY ARE PUTTING UP HIDDEN CAMERAS IN CROWN HEIGHTS THAT WILL CAPTURE PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT BEING TZNIUES AND TEENS THAT ARE HANGING OUT. ALL THIS WILL GO UP ON A WEBSITE FOR ALL TO SEE. AND NOBODY WILL KNOW WHO IS BEHIND IT

to #63
August 29, 2011 10:41 pm

it is probably a lot worse to be not tznius!!!!

The men need to take on more responsibility
August 29, 2011 10:41 pm

About how the women in their household dress

wow...
August 29, 2011 10:33 pm

The commentators here shock me, out of 65 comments of the most vile and disgusting attacks only 1 hit the nail on the head… Who here even bothered to read, digest and absorb the aforementioned article ? Legal fine print disclaimer: Residing in the village is dependent on an appointed committee, and residents are required to sign an agreement to follow a set of rules and regulations. Now it is my sincere hope that you folks accusing rav ashkenazi of various things just glossed over this part… Sadly, I know better, today’s youth have no regard for either jewish or… Read more »

A tznius woman in Crown Heights
August 29, 2011 10:33 pm

My first reaction was to say I’d personally smash the camera. Then I thought about it. I just walked down Kingston from the bank. I didn’t know any of the girls & young women I saw & quite honestly, I don’t want to know them. They may be very nice people, but they don’t belong in Crown Heights, dressing the way they do. You all know what I mean…many of you reading this will think I mean YOU. I do. And while I initially felt disgust at what Rabbi Ashkenazi is doing, on reflection I think he’s right. Do we… Read more »

COMMUNISM
August 29, 2011 10:24 pm
Get to the root of the issues
August 29, 2011 10:20 pm

Tznius issues are only the tip of the iceberg!!! Does anyone have the faintest idea as to how many of these young women are not even going to the Mikvah?We have to stop bickering with the politics, have a little genuine Ahavas Yisroel, and be Mekarev all these little ladies with love and attention. NOT TAKE RIDICULOUS PICTURES, AND GIVE PEP TALKS.

great idea!!!
August 29, 2011 10:15 pm

hope that in crown heights the rabbonim will do the same.
better this then the dizaster here.

oh goodness
August 29, 2011 10:14 pm

whats next.
i doubt this plan will launch.
it must be illegal to photograph anybody without consent.

i hate this. i despise this idea.
somebody STOP THIS MAN!

Focus
August 29, 2011 10:13 pm

Why not encourage people to learn more Torah and focus more on davening with kavonah- it is Rosh Chodesh Elul after all..
Tznius is an attitude- if you believe in the concept, you will dress appropriately.
Also, which is worse: Wearing a tichel in public, or talking during davening? Why not take video clips of everybody who talks during davening, and then give them a private pep talk?

horrible
August 29, 2011 10:01 pm

pathetic, a violation. a women in a tichel over a shaitel etc should be photographed and be given a pep talk?! sounds like communist russia to me and we all know how that turned out…FAIL!

Dumb idea
August 29, 2011 9:43 pm

As a person who struggles with tznius, this will never work. If I saw someone taking a picture of me I would not only be disgusted with the system, I would loose respect for the Rabbi. If this rabbi was my rabbi I would not tolerate it!

???
August 29, 2011 9:40 pm

How about posting pictures of all the baalei machlokes and of families of brothers and sisters fighting and not talking and baalei loshon horo. Where in the torah does it say that tznius is worse then sinnaas chinum?

why pick on tznius
August 29, 2011 9:40 pm

why dont they leave a mp3 recorder in the men’s mikve as a lashon hara police?? then the rabbi could check it over and give peptalk to all those who spoke lashon hara??

wow
August 29, 2011 9:34 pm

what a load of bull!!!

to #53
August 29, 2011 9:33 pm

maybe learn how to spell then u can start dissing people!!!1 hahaha

chabad israel
August 29, 2011 9:25 pm

we need to set up some lady shluchem to give out some tznius closing like we doo with tfilin

Sign me up!
August 29, 2011 9:24 pm

It will be more popular than this website!

to 1
August 29, 2011 9:20 pm

you are not a big fan of tznius???????????????? its a halocho in shulchan aruch!!!!!!!!!! are you a big fan of hashem!??

good!
August 29, 2011 9:19 pm

now maybe all you crown heights young ppl who walk around half dressed will start dressing more tznius…YOU GUYS DON’T LOOK COOL YOU LOOK RIDICULES…YOU LOOK LIKE YOU A BUNCH OF LOOSERS!!!!!!!!!!!!

miami beach bum
August 29, 2011 9:13 pm

Excuse me for asking but why does the Rebbi’s wife need a photo of the woman to give her a “pep talk”? It seems to me that the picture itself serves absolutely no positive purpose. If the Rabbi’s wife needs to know who is not dressing properly, she can go out there and look for herself, with all due respect.

Chaya
August 29, 2011 9:12 pm

Thats assult!

Men
August 29, 2011 9:11 pm

The problem with also taking pictures of “men” the way they are dressed and shaven looking so modern on Kingston Ave and then posting them is – they don’t even have any idea that something wrong with the way they dress! They wouldn’t even be embarrassed

crown heights
August 29, 2011 9:02 pm

If they would do this in crown heights I would sue.

huh?
August 29, 2011 8:58 pm

whats wrong with a tichel?

to #39
August 29, 2011 8:54 pm

i have a better idea, how about making these women wear a big scarlet T on their foreheads like in the story the scarlet letter. Yeah, that’s it, that’s the way to encourage tznius, brand these women. NOT

Everybody knows how untznius women look
August 29, 2011 8:54 pm

Why don’t we take pictures of tznius women, so people know what they should look like

MENTAL
August 29, 2011 8:52 pm

IT IS NONE OF YOUR BUSSINESS. WHAT DO YOU CARE?

to all the peaple worried about pushing peaple off yidishkait!!!!!
August 29, 2011 8:49 pm

if you where around in ther early days there woudnt be judiasim left! because where the limit !!!!!!!!maybe we should not tell peaple not to drive on shabos!!!!!!! it might push them away !!!!!
this tsnius doesnt just effect them it effects all the kids growng up in crown heights !!!!when they look up to the older peaple!!!!
so if you you care about your children just a little youd do this in crown heights !!!! if you disagreee it just shows you dont give one hoot about you kids spiritual well bieng!!!!!!!!!!

surprisingly - im not that against it.
August 29, 2011 8:49 pm

YOu make a CHOICE to live in kfar chabad. Its different to CH cuz theres not comittee ‘accepting’ you to live there…

but if you choose to live in CH and agree to abide by the laws and then break them…well then….its true…you should have to shape up or ship out!

Re # 39
August 29, 2011 8:45 pm

Great Idea! That’s positive reinforcement!

to 28
August 29, 2011 8:41 pm

you rock!

yup
August 29, 2011 8:39 pm

I am going to get butterfly nets and straight jacket all of these yahoo “more chssidish than Hashemnicks”. Not to embarrass them, but rather for them to have a nice long chat with a trained medical professional.

Better Idea
August 29, 2011 8:33 pm

Walk up and down Kingston Ave and give out big shiny “Ts” for women who are dressed Tzniusdik.

not fair
August 29, 2011 8:30 pm

How come everytime I take photos of woman in street who are un”tznuis” I get harrased by locals and police, but when he does it, it all ok, I should have got my smicha I suppose

EA shadchan 2012
August 29, 2011 8:30 pm

If Mrs Ashkenazi is the only one who will see the pictures, then I dont see whats wrong. Instead of her having to go to school every morning and strain her eyes.

OMG!!!!!
August 29, 2011 8:29 pm

OMG!! I was always thinking of doing something like this so women should see how it looks from the outside….like shikses…well thats what they’re trying to copy

Disgusted!
August 29, 2011 8:24 pm

I have to say, this idea goes WAY beyond what I even thought was possible when it comes to the hysteria regarding tznius. It is time, once and for all, for people to understand that pushing things like this on others and continually restricting and restricting to try and gain control only pushes those being “controlled” in the other direction!! No one likes extremes, no one listens to extremes and certainly, Chabad in particular isn’t an extremist movement. That’s why this is so terribly awful! Since when is Chabad the way of life that acts like the secret service of… Read more »

omg
August 29, 2011 8:23 pm

terrible idea
ppl should mind their own buisness, worry about themselves and not have strangers being their mother.

crazy idea
August 29, 2011 8:09 pm

maybe speak about domestic violence, molestation and the likes of criminal behavior and just encourage, set an example an be nice

i think...
August 29, 2011 8:09 pm

throw paint on them if they are dressed untznius. we dont need people like that in our community dragging it down

reminds me of neturai karta
August 29, 2011 8:06 pm

oyy gevvvalld!!! ha

all
August 29, 2011 8:02 pm

the credit to rabbi Ashkenazi

Rabbi Aschkenazi - A Great Rov
August 29, 2011 8:01 pm
Chabad House style
August 29, 2011 7:59 pm

If we only follow the way Shluchim mekareve non frum people, we too will have success. They take the long but in the end the shorter road. They actually build a strong non judgmental relationship with the person. Eventually they have a strong influence on them. But by finding someones shortcoming and having a talk with them seems like the faster way to help someone change but in reality it is the longer road. Let us follow the method our Rebbe taught us on how to influence the people around us.

ingenious!
August 29, 2011 7:57 pm

great idea! like the site in the days of mayor ed koch…take the pictures and post them!

To Cocoaman
August 29, 2011 7:56 pm

It is so obvious you are a “tunnell vision male!!!” Oh incase you have comprehension issues…that means someone who can’t see past his nose!!!!!! Try be positive and make your point without being confrontational!

Shokoiach!
August 29, 2011 7:54 pm

To the comments who disagree with the idea: NO WONDER! you know you would be one of the “captured” ones and that is why you think its ABSURD! The ones who actually think its a good idea are just confident enough with their tznius and are fed up!

Why Make a Fuss?
August 29, 2011 7:53 pm

Why does he have to let everybody know about this, why doesn’t he just do it.

There is nothing wrong with having a ‘pep talk’ with people about Tznius, but people feel threatened when you tell them you will take their picture it only creates more animosity towards the Rabonim, and that’s all we need…

Do you truly believe the Rebbe knows what he is talking about?
August 29, 2011 7:48 pm

Then wake up!
Benveniste

cocoaman
August 29, 2011 7:46 pm

#13.do u have reading comprehension issues? who said anything bout a website.the rabbi’s wife will b seeing the pics

I don't understand
August 29, 2011 7:45 pm

If they are not embarrassed walking down the street in public not tznius, why will they care if someone takes a pic of them?

no
August 29, 2011 7:45 pm

to # 11

? ? ? ? ? ?
August 29, 2011 7:45 pm

Its the absolute PITTS!!!!!
Whatever next? ? ? ?
To post Tzniusdik women on CH, c”v, is forbidden!!
But to post Untzniusdik pics , thats allowed!!! THE
PITTSS!!!!!!!

15 and 16
August 29, 2011 7:42 pm

YOu cracked me up!!!! LOL!!!! If it wasnt so sad, it would be the joke of the year!!!

leave the women alone!
August 29, 2011 7:38 pm

If anyone should be spoken to it’s the men.

A. Wives dress in a manner that their husbands approve of (most of the time)

B. If the issue here is not tznius per se rather that the overall mode of dress should be in the spirit of yiddishkeit and eidelkeit then the men are just as guilty as the women.

why do you need pictures?
August 29, 2011 7:34 pm

why dont the principals just give the names of ppl whose dress they disapprove of to the rebbetzin? i dont like it either way but i can see how there really are no options for them. kfar has become super untznius

To 15
August 29, 2011 7:32 pm

Chof

refuah shleima.
August 29, 2011 7:28 pm

what kapitel do you say when people have lost their way?

brother from the hood
August 29, 2011 7:25 pm

if some one trys this in crown hights , yr just going to push more young couples out of chabad and maybe out of yidishkiet

cocoaman
August 29, 2011 7:22 pm

att #11, any other ideas?
the rabbi said he tried talking to them and it didn’t work. all you big talkers, lets see YOU come up with a better solution. until then, rock on Rabbi!!!

there must be another way!
August 29, 2011 7:11 pm

With all due respect to Rabbi Ashkenazi. Ahavas Yisroel is as important as tznius. I am not implying by any means that the issue of tznius should not be addressed. But I am sure the Rebbe would not agree with taking pictures of the women! Maybe the schools should do what they do in Crown Heights, and not accept the children unless the mothers adhere to tznius at all the times. This way if there is an issue then Rebbetzin Ashkenazi can speak to the woman privately, and be mechazek her apporopriately. But to embaress a person like that, is… Read more »

yess
August 29, 2011 7:11 pm

to 5

AWESUM
August 29, 2011 7:09 pm

GrEAT IDEA!

WE NEED THAT IN CROWN HEIGHTS
August 29, 2011 7:09 pm

CROWN HEIGHTS IS OUT OF HAND WE NEED A TZNIUS WATCH WEBSITE AND WE NEED TO POST ALL THE GIRLS AND MARRIED LADIES THAT DONT DRESS TZNIUS! YOU WILL SEE HOW FAST KINGSTON AVENUE WILL CHANGE

Great Idea
August 29, 2011 7:07 pm

I think it’s a great idea – and, yes, post them on line for all to see how stupid you look walking in the streets without a Sheitel and without socks. This should be done in Crown Heights too.

Obnoxious and and Invasion of privacy
August 29, 2011 7:07 pm

If your trying to get people to dress tznius try and talk to them or get someone on their level to talk to them! taking pictures and having your wife sort through them is rude and an invasion of privacy. If it really bothers you the way people dress don’t let them come to school or penalize them.
Now you are just coming out as an obnoxious Rabbi who can only get speak to woman about dressing appropriately by taking Inappropriate pictures!

chossid
August 29, 2011 7:00 pm

we should do that also in crown hieghts

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August 29, 2011 7:00 pm

Doesn’t every good educator know what it says in klalei hachinuch and elsewhere? That one must focus on the positive and buuild on it, no shaming, blaming and hollaring. Dracheha darchei noam.

KGB
August 29, 2011 6:55 pm

….

wow
August 29, 2011 6:53 pm

uchhhhhh

hes right
August 29, 2011 6:51 pm

i am not a big fan of tznius myself. but he is not taking photos and posting them online like others do. he is doing it so his wife can talk to them in private and hopefully change something

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