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I think that this whole discussion is anti-moshiach. Moshiach from the living, moshiach from the dead. The question is, are we doing what we need to do to deserve moshiach. The Rebbe OBM said many many years ago, I do not quote, I state from what I learned, that if everyone was kind and good for just one day, moshiach would come. Lets look at our midos, let’s practice ahavas yisroel, let’s learn and teach and live the torah and then when moshiach comes ( and it should be soon) then we will know.
The way I see it, the Rebbe was more like Yehudah hanasi than Daniel, so what exactly is your point?
Talmud Sanhedrin 98b
Rav said: if the Messiah is from the living, he is someone like Rabbi Yehuda the Prince (Rabeinu Hakadosh).
If he is from the deceased, he is someone like Daniel, the man of desirable qualities.
סנהדרין צח, ב
אמר רב, אי מן חייא הוא כגון רבינו הקדוש.
אי מן מתיא, הוא כגון דניאל איש חמודות.
it may not be popular, but it is a Torah opinion.
Peretz
The Rebbe wants us to be preoccupied with preparing ourselves and the world for Moshiach’s imminent arrival, not to be preoccupied with talking about Moshiach’s identity!
There is no ho’ra’ah from the Rebbe to publicize that HE is Moshiach! In fact, it seems it might be contrary to his wishes.
And the comparison to the wearing of a yarmulka is absurd!
You’re not reading what I wrote. ‘Resurrection’ and ‘resurrected messiah’ are two different concepts. I’m only referring to the latter.
Rabbi Jacobson did not discuss the issue of the Rebbe. Rather that it is wrong to say that belief in moshiach coming from the dead is heresy, since the Christians say so, as the Talmud clearly states so in Sanhedrin. Period. why does anybody ave issue with that? By the way, this Talmud is quoted in many works on moshiach of later generations, including Jews who suffered much at the hands of the Christians and saw a generation convert to Christianity, namely, Dun Yitzchak Abarbenel in his book Yeshuos Meshechi. So if he was not afraid to quote the Talmud,… Read more »
toras moshe emmes.
tchi-yas ha-messim min ha-torah.
we believe in moshes words exactly. wether or not any other “faith”(lihavdil) hijacked a similar notion,
it never did and never will change the truth of toras moshe emmes.
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see: anni maamin #13
therefore you are wrong to say that because goim “believe” in tchias hamessim,
…..”That alone is reason enough for Jews to push this notion as far away as possible from our minds”
sorry my friend, you are mistaken.
we believe in toras moshe, regardless of what a goy does or does not believe.
Peretz
Seriously? Your reasoning, no offense, is completely wrong. Jews for J could argue that If Jews can accept a resurrected messiah, then why not accept theirs? That line of reasoning as baseless if you don’t accept the idea of a resurrected messiah, which is why klal yisroel has always denied this belief.
Very clear and informative lesson.
a very much needed clarification,
now that j’s for j are in our streets.
Thank you.
it is quite a difference between encouraging men to wear kippas , to encouraging them to believe the Rebbe is Moshiach. wearing a kippa is a mitzva while the latter is not at all necessary or a main focus which should interfere in us doing mitzvos and hastening the geula. we have to believe that Moshiach is coming and do everything we can… but where does it say that we have to encourage everyone to believe WHO is the one. therefore if it alieniates anyone and if this activity causes people to disgrace our Rebbe, then yes we must stop… Read more »
I’ve met Jews who converted RL to Jews for J, because the Christians werent afraid to alienate them by telling them about a (false)resurrection. Maybe if we got to these Jews first, and told them about the Rebbe possibly being resurrected, based on this Gemara, they would have stayed Yidden! May we have the complete geula ASAP.
You can’t possibly be serious in the analogy. I’m not sure if you’re joking or not.
Wearing a kipa is an age-old longstanding universal practice practice in klal-Yisroel.
You’re really going to argue that spreading a message of a person who has passed away being Moshiach is comparable?
I haven’t watched the video yet. Following the comments and the subject: The details are irrelevant. Preface: As cited by the Rambam, chrsitianity served a benefit by luring the peoples of the world from paganism to monotheism. Today however, this same faith is driving people to atheism. (Torah thought will rebuild atheists after they expunging christian/western religious ideas). So I think: What else can be said to the benefit of christianity before i expose the falsehood of it. Moralized and harmonized people? It was Judeo-masonic law and order that put a stop to the millenia of christian barbarism. It is… Read more »
if wearing a kipa turns away yiden then maybe you should stop wearing a kipa ?
I gotta say, the Baal HaTurim he shared, and adding the second word- “and her son”- blew me away! Really amazing stuff. Right, even if Yoshke was the biggest baal-moifes to ever walk the earth (which I highly doubt he was), it still wouldn’t make a shred of difference to us, as Rabbi Jacobson well explains. I am a non-Lubavitcher “friend of Chabad” who often visits the site, and, I’ll be honest, I became a little uncomfortable for the last few minutes when he was defending Moshiach’s resurrection from the dead as a Torah idea. OK, yes, there is such… Read more »
To #2 & 3. looks in Toras Menachem Shavous 1950 & then comment.
I’m sorry, but Jacobson is purposely missing the point (at the end of his sermon – and it is the end that is really the point of the whole thing). Whether jc performed ‘miracles’ or not is irrelevant, because there’s no way anyone can prove that he did or didn’t. What we do know for a fact is that christians believe in the the resurrection of jc – the resurrected messiah. That alone is reason enough for Jews to push this notion as far away as possible from our minds, as we have done for since the notion first presented… Read more »
Love the Tzlil V’Zemer intro