By COLlive reporter in Crown Heights
Animal rights activists tried to disrupt the Jewish custom of using live chickens for Kapparos – atoning before Yom Kippur – in the Brooklyn section of Crown Heights.
The group of 7, said to be affiliated with the PETA organization, came Wednesday to the neighborhood to “save the chickens from being slaughtered.”
To do so, the men and women deceivingly stood in line to purchase chickens alongside Chassidic residents on President Street and Kingston Avenue, as witnessed by a COLlive.com reporter.
But they did not use the chickens for the prayer and then return them to the Hachnosas Orchim charity which feeds many bochurim and guests during the Tishrei holidays.
Instead, as COLlive.com discovered, they were seen bringing the chickens across the street to a waiting truck that belongs to “Woodstock Farm Animal Sanctuary” (whose mission statement is helping “abused and neglected farm animals such as cows and pigs”).
One of the activists, who did not give his name, did not deny the scheme.
“We plan to buy as many chickens as possible,” he told a passerby.
Some enterprise-minded Israeli bochurim were seen purchasing chickens for the $10 fee and then selling them to the PETA affiliated activists at a $5 profit.
Kapparos chickens are also being sold by NCFJE at 824 Eastern Parkway for a subsidised price of $5.
To all the pro-PETA people out there just remember who it was who put Rubashkin in prison
56, i guess you never saw frum kids kicking dogs or chasing cats.
There is something to be said about how dismal a public relations job is being done during Kaporos. I’m all for shechting if the animal is actually used. THAT detail is not highlighted by the community. Instead, critical people see what seems pagan and unnecessary and denounce the idea as a whole. If someone showed how the chickens were actually fed to those in need, the argument against this ritual would be less potent.
The chickens are stacked in crates for hours if not days with no food and water. And the crates are so small that they can’t stretch their wings or stand up. They’re not inanimate objects. They feel hunger, thirst, fear and pain.
No matter what way you look at it, it is still mean what were doing to the chickens.
The Jewish people, particularly hose who are observant of every detail of the Torah, are the most compassionate behaving people in the world. Get to know them. You are safe in any neighborhood where they live and, having grown up out of town, in a place where many Jewish people owned dogs, I never once saw them hitting or punching their pets as I have often seen other people do on Eastern Parkway. Do you know that a Jewish farmer is not allowed to take care of his own needs until his animals are fed & the cows milked? Your… Read more »
Chickens are usually transported in crates whether or not they are owned by Jewish people. If it is for an extended amount of time and they are being starved and you know that for a fact, then it is certainly not in line with the Torah guidelines. This does not change the fact that the act of kaporos does not torture animals.
PeTA and Kapparos are irrelevant to that one fact. Despite all that humans expound, work and war for in the name of their particular belief: every life is precious. Humans have yet to understand and respect this. Every, single, life. Precious.
Are you saying that being crammed in a crate for an extended length of time with no food, no water, no ability to rest…with your fellow cretures dying next to you and being completey scared does not cause suffering?
why didnt they jack up the prices REALLY high for peta
Add a “deposit fee” to the usual price; let’s say about $20. Then, after handing over the chicken to be shechted, the $20 gets refunded. This way there is money to be made if the PETA people don’t return the chickens–they forfeit their deposit. For the obviously frum Yidden, waive the fee. Just make sure that legal bases are covered so the PETA people can’t claim some kind of religious discrimination because some get charged a deposit and others don’t…
Just wondering.. after rescuing the chickens, what would you do with them? And what would you say would be the best way to provide for their futures and save them from their fate? What establishment can you send them to that would take care of them and send them to pasture when they are old as is done with horses? These are the practicalities of the matter and you need to follow through.
I can fully inderstand how the appearance of dozens of chickens in a non farm environment must seem strange to you. I am responding to your comment on the assumption that you are sincere and truly believe you are doing good for the world- as I believe in respecting other people’s rights to different points of view and customs.. I can’t speak for the way any particular individual treats a chicken but I do know something about what the Torah has to say on the matter. Are you aware of the details of the performance of kaporos? It may surprise… Read more »
I am one of the people associated with the rescue of the chickens at President and Kingston. For the record, we have nothing to do with PETA. I am on record of being critical of that organization for killing the majority of animals at it’s shelter. To me that detracts from the credibility of their stated mission. Secondly many of us spend a lot more time protesting at KFC than we do at Kaparot. As someone who has spent a lifetime countering anti-semetic stereotypes in the Christian community,the accusation of anti-semitism is laughable. We were there because Kaparot is a… Read more »
IDOITS! IF GOD DIDNT WANT US TO EAT ANIMALS, HE WOULDNT MAKE THEM OUT OF MEAT!
do not give peta any attention !!!! that is what they want. don’t post any news about them. don’t talk to them! don’t watch their youtube videos, every extra hit to their sights, posts, videos etc is a plus for them. instead counter-act with positive videos, posts ect about shechting being the most umane about the eidlkeit of yidden etc.
I work with kaporos in my city and we treat te chickens a thousand times better than the farms we get them from (seen it with my own eyes)
In response to #44.
Yes, PETA does have a very big campaign against KFC.
http://www.kentuckyfriedcruelty.com/
Why are they not standing in f ront of kentucky fried chicken
I understand that we eat kreplach on Yom Kippur because the white of the dough represents Hashem’s Chessed and the red meat his Gevurah. On Yom Kippur we want it so that Hashems Chessed towards us should dominate and hide his Gevurah against us.
Dear #3 insanity,,,
Don’t be surprised, they’re following the ways of a segment of this community.
About 25-30 ‘yidden’ here should either do ‘teshuva’ or be kicked out.
If the ‘yira shemayims’ are unified (Condtradiction?) we can do it. Either peacefully, or…
I just heard that PETA is organizing volunteers, and about 3 million paid workers to go around the USA, then the world, to stop all animal slaughter by purchasing the animals: steer, goats, sheep, all types of fowl, etc. The massive effort will be enlarged to cover all fish restaurants and retail stores requiring another 8 million workers. To sign up for this worthy endeavor, write to: Avoda Zarahville Post Office Box # 00000 (This effort is ‘zilch’) Enjoy! (By the way, check out and see if PETA employees wear leather shoes, belts, etc. Don’t worry ,if they do, they’ll… Read more »
The Israelis should have charged $20.
This world is filled with genuine suffering, and to misplace energy and passion trying to ruin someone else’s religious observance in the name of “compassion” is a disgrace.
Tell them for every chicken they buy we will shecht an extra 2 chickens.
RITE TO MR. HOFFINGER … PLS CHECK THEIR SHOES BELT ETC… AND CUT THEM ON THE SPOT…. VERY SIMPLE HATE FOR THE JEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I vote for #1 and #14, great messages.
these are people who are looking so desperately for meaning in their lives and they can’t get it straight (as in #1)
man dont we love isreale’s
go sell chckens to make a profit
what’s noble about vegetarianism? do you have a higher moral standard then g-d?
let them spend their money!
Unfortunately, I don’t see any Humor in this particular case, PETA Yemach Shmom are a direct cause for Sholom Mordechai Hatzadik’s incarceration, Why don’t they stake out the clubs where Hunters all over the USA gather during hunting season ? why don’t they attack all those satanist cults which are constantly slaughtering cats and other animals ? the answer is 4000 years old ! the Jew & his customs are an easy target, it does NOT look politically correct to attack hunters or cultists but is perfectly all right to protest & attack the the Jewish customs, May Kapitel 109… Read more »
dont be such a chicken!
hey this this question is making me crazy! why do we eat kreplach erev yom kipur?
I think we have the rite to tell them to stop bugging us.
They say ” you see youre child is crying becase they can’t see the chicken sufferring” and the like.
When a woman asked me to give it to them when I’m done i said rhe truth, they are given to the poor to eat this is charity.
We eat chickens this is normal.
Great way to make a buck!!!
This sounds like the best Shpy plot ever!
They are trying to intimidate us as others have over the centuries but we are the ones who always survive. How is the act of kaporos cruelty to animals? I have not seen one valid statement that rationally links the act of kaporos and cruelty. I have never once seen a demonstartion outside a seafood restaurant yet -If a chicken could talk do you think it would choose to be boiled alive like the lobsters in non-kosher restaurants or perform kaporos? This is typical of the distortion of anti semitism: it desperately tries to justify its own cruelty- by ascribing… Read more »
BEING A LIBERAL IS A MENTAL DISORDER
hahhahahaha this is the funniest story that COl ever posted!
Some enterprise-minded Israeli bochurim were seen purchasing chickens for the $10 fee and then selling them to the PETA affiliated activists at a $5 profit.
HAHAHAHAHAHAH!
THEN WHAT HAPPENS THE BRING THE ABUSED CHICKENS TO A FARM SO THEY CAN LIVE THE REST OF THEIR LIVES UNTIL THEY DIE OF OLD AGE?
BUT WAIT… DO THEY JAIL THEM? OR LET THEM GO FREE SO A DOG OR CAT CAN EAT THEM?
HAHAHAHAHAHA
http://petakillsanimals.com/dowannloads/PetaKillsAnimals.pdf
please print this PDF file and show it to anybody that comes from PETA and see what they have to say about it.
these guys are hypocrites!
I had to read it for school in tenth grade. its called Animal Farm!
to number 8- that is a genius idea and to 14- you are hysterical!! Moshiach Now!!
http://www.petakillsanimals.com/
i’m sorry but i’m plutzing!! it’s supposed to be yom Kipur NOT PURIM!!! i think this is one of the most hillarious things iv’e read in ages
I just heard that PETA is organizing volunteers, and about 3 million paid workers to go around the USA, then the world, to stop all animal slaughter by purchasing the animals: steer, goats, sheep, all types of fowl, etc. The massive effort will be enlarged to cover all fish restaurants and retail stores requiring another 8 million workers. To sign up for this worthy endeavor, write to: Avoda Zarahville Post Office Box # 00000 (This effort is ‘zilch’) Enjoy! (By the way, check out and see if PETA employees wear leather shoes, belts, etc. Don’t worry ,if they do, they’ll… Read more »
PETA believes animals should have the same rights as humans. That is why they helped ruin Postville. Their warped thinking knows no bounds. They are not exclusively into vegetarianism (which can be noble) or preventing obvious animal cruelty (a mitzveh for goyin from the noahide law, as well as Yidden from the Torah) but they want much more far reaching changes. They will try to hurt people to save animals- by financial ruination, slander, and obvious lies and deception. It is true, when you treat animals like people, you will end up treating people like animals. That is PETA. Their… Read more »
He looks like a person who was executed in Israel for war crimes in the 1960’s.
Thats what bored ppl do with their lives…..
whats going to happen when we are going to have to shecht animals by the new bais hamikdosh are they going to try to take are animals then?
They should feed that man some chickens. Maybe it will put some meat on his bones.
The only reason they come to kapporos is because they are soinei isroel. They are trying to portray yiden as barbaric for shechting chickens when there are billions of chickens slaughtered in the general market under horrible conditions.
And of course lets not forget about the millions of humans that are being starved and killed in places like africa. They are just using yiden as a publicity stunt.
i saw this man, he didnt seem all there
Maybe they have many sins and think 1 chicken won’t do?
it weould be a real shame if hey happened to get a punctured tire (or tires) while there. those poor chickens would be in real pain in a hot truck, until they could get it repaired.
I don’t know who these people are but they are not formally affiliated with PETA. This was not an official PETA action. It is important to remember, however, that PETA did rescue chickens who were abandoned after kapporos two years ago and they were taken to a sanctuary. Two chickens were left abandoned in a cardboard box in front of Shea Hecht’s and one chicken was found in a transport crate in Williamsburg (she was left there like garbage all through Yom Kippur). This is all recorded on the PETA video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDVSwU1QObM
let’s see if they’ll save the chickens for that price
let’s see them put their money with their mouth is
they think that will make a dent in our use of chickens? As we run low on chickens we will just order more! and these fools are just wasting their money! And drive down Atlantic Ave. there are plenty of checkens to buy there.
I was doing Mivtza Shofar on the first day of Rosh Hashana and a older skinny man with a cap approached me and asked me ‘when is Kapparos?’ i answered that it was on the next Friday. He walked off and didn’t want to hear Shofar. That was the same guy that appears in the picture.
Nu, if they want to pay, why not? It makes money for the organization and it saves the burden of having to shecht the chickens… Ken yirbu!
Cant they sue them? They are not selling them, they are lettng people use them.
sickos!!!
totally stealing!!!
they only cost that much b/c they are kapparos- cant buy the chicken for that price!!!!
total idiots that MUST be stopped for once and for all!!!!!
they are all over ….they make no sense and are a big nuisance!!!
They should bring millions of chickens đŸ™‚
PLEASE SPEND YOUR TIME, ENERGY AND MONEY HELPING THE MILLIONS OF NEEDY, ABUSED AND NEGLECTED CHILDREN AND ADULTS- HUMAN BEINGS AROUND THE COUNTRY.