Sep 13, 2010
Kaporos Protest in Crown Heights

Protestors rallied against the Orthodox Jewish ritual of Kaporos on Kingston Avenue in Crown Heights on Sunday.

Protestors rallied against an Orthodox Jewish ritual in Brooklyn Sunday, that involves slaughtering chickens for Yom Kippur.

The custom, called kaporos, is a form of sacrifice performed before the Jewish Day of Atonement in which it is believed one's sins are symbolically transferred to the bird.

The Alliance to End Chickens as Kaporos is protesting the ritual, calling the treatment of the animals inhumane.

Some Orthodox Jews disagree with the protestors, and say that every effort is made to make sure the sacrifice does not hurt the chicken. They also claim the practice is a part of their religion and needs no explanation.



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1
Compassion to animals to be slaughtered in Jewish tradition...
is NOT the same as compassion to humans. The trade-off of sin for slaughter is being done in the most delicate modern way... so let this animal rights group stand up in every major supermarket chain in the United States and complain about MEAT slaughtering in general!!!
(9/13/2010 12:23:32 PM)
2
true agenda
Stop being naive. This has nothing to do with "animal suffering". The agenda of these so called animal right organizations is an attempt to prove that humans are no different that behemos and the try to do this by elevating and equating the animals to people.

These protesters should be at the restaurants where, according to my undertanding, scald the lobsters alive, r.l.
(9/13/2010 12:43:53 PM)
3
Shhhhh
No need to debate these people. Just do your Kaporas! A dog stops barking when it doesn't get a response. Let them move on to Ringling Bros.
(9/13/2010 1:28:23 PM)
4
This is an Anti-Jewish issue
Of course they are not protesting lobster (which is not kosher) torture or the inhumane slaughtering that goes on in non-kosher animal plants. Kaporos does not inflict pain on any animal unless one intentionally hurts the animal. In fact, we all know that the Torah clearly prohibits making an animal suffer. This is not an animal rights issue, it is an anti-Jewish issue. The same people who believe that they can discard their tenuous hold on common courtesy when they see a Jew on the street, are the ones who suddely decide that they love animals and that the Jews are out to torture them.
(9/13/2010 1:31:34 PM)
5
Oy Vey!!
Is this Mashiachs Tzeiten or what????/
(9/13/2010 1:40:07 PM)
6
Meir
BS:D
Where were their protests when the Jews were being slaughtered
(9/13/2010 1:58:58 PM)
7
lollll
They make me laugh so hard!!
(9/13/2010 2:48:53 PM)
8
shame
In Iceland and the Scandinavian countries were shechita has been outlawed, they seem to have no problem with hunting. I agree with #4 the the core of this is an anti-Jewish issue.
(9/13/2010 3:01:31 PM)
9
this is hilariously biased and ignorant
1st of they call it a sacrifice
2 they end off by saying "they say its part of their religeon and it needs no explaining"!
both false and flagrant
(9/13/2010 3:21:22 PM)
10
where are they in chinatown?
i havent seem them recently they are anti-jewish
as number 8 proposes
as well as they prey on young chassidic children instead of going with the NRA

yes this is a anti-semetic group
after all they went after rubashkin instead of trying to tackle sudan
a comprehensive strategy should be in place
DEFINITELY we should just be reacting we should have a policy and a face of our own instead of these hate-mongerers setting the policy
(9/13/2010 4:07:07 PM)
11
huh?
WHAT DON'T THESE IDIOTS UNDERSTAND??? how come they don't understand that when we do kaporos we do it WITHOUT ANY pain given to the chicken. and to that numbskull who says "in the prayerbook it says you can use money" THE REASON WHY we don't use money is because "in the prayerbook it ALSO says" that using chickens is the preferred way and the best way to do kaporos.
(9/13/2010 4:21:30 PM)
12
ATT number 11
... and what happens if they "prefer" to keep the animals equal... And whoops i forgot... That means that money is the best way?
May this "protest" (that i"yh will do nothing to this years kaporos) show Hashem what his chidren go thourgh to do his commands and we will have Moshiach now before Y"K and Kaporos!!
(9/13/2010 5:18:48 PM)
13
unfortunatly they have a point!
the fact is in past year i have seen mistreated chickens and many dead ones due to stavation.
is that the kapporo we are seeking?
tzar baalei chayim is not past of kaporos.

i have done kaporos with chickens all my life, but when i go i think of changing... and i may change this year...

shulchan aruch clearly says it can be done with money!
(9/13/2010 5:50:08 PM)
14
its not a choice
what I see many have missed here is that it's not really a choice between chicken or money. It's supposed to be chicken, but if you can't get a chicken then you give money in the equivalence of one meal, and the money should be given to a tzdakah that will buy the chicken, shecht it, and give it to the poor.

so either way the chicken gets it in the end.
(9/13/2010 6:17:20 PM)
15
Clean up our act
I think it's about time we clean up our act a little.

There's a truth to what they're saying.

A) there's no need for chickens to be thrown around, and mishandled

B) there's no reason why the dead chickens should be thrown all over the place, in garbage bags etc etc...

This is America here, things should be done normally.

To: 8, if that's true that is very telling.
(9/13/2010 6:26:52 PM)
16
Don't be so closed minded...
They do have a point, although there is no pain when one is swinging the chickens and when the chickens are getting shechted, but what about from the time when the chickens leave the farm and come to ch not once did i see the chickens being fed.... basically they are being starved!!! and the way ppl. throw the boxes of chickens around are a disgrace... even though they are going to be shechted 2 days later, they should be fed and treated properly, bec. otherwise that is tzar ba l'chayem!!!!
(9/13/2010 7:31:43 PM)
17
to number 16
i agree with u!! for the past few years I have been doing kaparos with money. I was shocked by the way I saw the chickens being thrown around , in some places kept overnight outside, and most importantly we must know if all this "chicken meat" is actually being fed to poor people - cause that is part of the kaparos idea - is it not?
tzedokah....giving the food to the poor....
in many places the chickens are just wasted....and so in my opinion does not fulfill the mitzvah of kaparos. I therefore do it with money that I can be assured goes towards feeding the poor. This is a Kaparos that causes true good.
(9/13/2010 8:55:52 PM)
18
Media mishandled?
There should have been someone there to counter the lies they were saying.

Like

"Hello, do you eat meat? Well, then all they are doing is slaughtering chickens for food, is that a problem? Oh, I see, they hold the chicken and move it around 3 times... Ah, so killing chickens for food is OK, but HOLDING them and moving them around in a circle 3 times, that is TORTURE?"

Everyone can see the straight line running from the Anti Rubashkin media pogrom to this.
(9/13/2010 9:46:05 PM)
19
karbonos??????
in the time of the bais hamikdosh we brought up karbonos to atone our sins same thing!!! maybe we should tell hashem no! who do you ppl think u are ?
(9/13/2010 10:26:10 PM)
20
to 16 and 17
you say " what about the time they leave the farm?"
where do you come from???? the chickens never lived on a farm they are born (hatched ) bred and slaughtered in a factory. at least least in these chickens cases they get to see the outdoors a little ( not to mention the hailigeh shchuneh)
if you think they get treated any better .... you are wrong
youtube some videos of chicken plants and you will see. we do these chickens a favor... they get to breath and be used as for a mitzvah
(9/13/2010 10:34:01 PM)
21
Excuse me.
The Rebbe did Kapporos on Chickens, not money. Publicly.
Keep the record straight. this has been the minhag for years,

If only they would care for humans; and; G-d, for that matter, as much as they "care" for animals.
(9/13/2010 10:41:09 PM)
22
A chicken lover
I saw the sign that says "chicks need their mothers".
But I'm gonna eat the chicken babies too.....
(9/14/2010 12:19:51 AM)
23
wow # 16 is on the ball
Could not of put it better myself. seriously #20 u got to learn the basics. 2 wrongs don't make a right - and for crying out loud - stop generalizing.
I dont care what goes on anywhere else - what i know, what we can change is what happens here. The chickens should not be starved.
And yes - we also care about people - and yes we do try to do what we can about that too.
(9/14/2010 8:57:20 AM)
24
You never see these people protesting the Muslims Eid Al Adha
The Muslims have a holy day called "Eid Al Adha" in which sheep, goats, cows, are shechted everywhere and the blood and intestines is poured all over the street. But you never see any of these PETA people out there protesting. They only go for the "soft" targets where they will get the attention they crave but not the risk of having their throats cut.
(9/14/2010 11:25:22 AM)
25
Correction
To #24 not shechted (in which the killing doesn't hurt the animal AT ALL) but murdered with a lot of pain included!!
(9/14/2010 12:53:02 PM)
26
!!!!!!!!!!
THATS MY HOUSE IN THE VIDEO!!!
(9/14/2010 6:03:15 PM)
27
Chickens? really?
Why do these protesters put so much time and effort into caring about chickens? its not like the world is running low on chickens..
for sure they should be treated with respect but when there are other things to be focusing your time on like...the starving human beings in this world and needy families, etc. why do people ignorantly look at chickens..?
(9/14/2010 7:02:07 PM)
28
funny
people are funny this day's
(9/14/2010 7:12:44 PM)
29
to # 23
i think u got to learn the basics.... chickens dont need to eat every 3 hours like humans they can go a few days with out food or water.... we dont keep them lying around for weeks starving while we do kaporas! when you go to kaporas you can bring a cracker and some water for you chick.... im sure it will appreciate their last supper.
and have you ever seen a chicken while its being used for kaporas?? is it screaming in pain? no!!!! it holding it by its wings was so excruciatingly painful as the lady in the video says... trust me the chick would fight back and not just sit there calmly as they do!
(9/14/2010 7:53:54 PM)
30
Chicken Rights!
How dare they plaster pictures of chickens across a board for all to see?! Isn't that an invasion of their privacy? And how they put words at the top, as if to speak for them! Chickens have a right to speak for themselves!

Because after all, according to these people, the chickens are equal to humans.
(9/14/2010 9:33:17 PM)
31
to #18
1. they were against slaughtering in general - the question is why they couldn't find a better place to vent their frustrations.

2. If only there WEREN'T so many people out there trying to counter their lies and giving them their desperately needed attention, they would've been bored and left in 10 minutes.
(9/14/2010 10:54:12 PM)
32
they are rigth
its called tzar baley chayem
(9/15/2010 6:22:38 AM)
33
to 15
if not in garbage bags then in what fancy boxes and bags you sponsor it
(9/15/2010 9:49:35 AM)
34
????
WHERE WAS THIS ''COMPASSION'' IN THE HOLUCUST?!!!???!!
(9/15/2010 8:41:35 PM)
35
#34 vegetarians and the Holocaust
Hitler YM"S was a vegetarian
(9/15/2010 10:12:25 PM)
36
Pick Your Battles With a Little More Wisdom, Please!!!!
It is truly bizarre that people who obsessively ponder animal torture for years somehow equate the ethical handling of chickens with torture and aren't out and about every day outside restaurants and meat packing plants.
(9/16/2010 9:49:23 AM)
37
Jewish Activist
The animal feels so much pain and trauma. These birds are covered in lesions and sores. They are packed in tiny crates and denied food or water. They have their wings bound behind their backs. They cry out loudly in pain. If they don't feel pain then why are they screaming? I am Jewish, proud to be but I would never inflict harm on these innocent beings. This is an animal holocaust. Get over yourselves. Extend love and light to all beings. They suffer too. How can you be cruel when you don't have to? You cannot put your sin into an poor creature. Your sin is in your heart and you must atone for it by being kind and good not being wretched and hurting animals. Think logically about what you are doing. It makes you seem crazy to swing birds around your head and ritually sacrifice them.
(9/16/2010 12:23:59 PM)
38
#37, you make some good points
I stopped doing kaparos with chickens a few years back because I couldn't stand to see the chicken being tortured. Those of you who are defending the practice, you can try to put as pretty a face as you want on it but the fact is that it is tzaar baalei chaim and I have NEVER once seen a kaparos lot where chickens were not sickly looking, starving, or being tossed around like garbage, not hashem's creations. There have been many well respected Jewish sages (such as the Rambam) who were against doing kaparos with chickens. So many of these chickens do not even reach poor families because they are in such bad shape that they are not fit to be eaten. Open your eyes and think for yourself - do you think treating an animal so badly is a decent way to get rid of your aveiros? It's a much better idea to use money that will go to a tzedaka you KNOW is feeding poor families.
(9/16/2010 4:11:06 PM)
39
lol
and to all u ppl who think that i am going 2 spend half my day reading all your 7 page long comments... think again
(9/16/2010 10:37:55 PM)
40
I support PETA
Actually PETA do protest against all animal cruelty not only kapporos. I think people should be allowed to do kapporos if they want, but these protesters also have a point - animals shouldn't suffer.
(9/17/2010 12:59:27 AM)
41
Where do the chickens actually go after being shechted?
Do we know? Or are they just tossed away? Many people in the general population see the ritual and slaughter but they don't see someone in need get fed as a result of this ritual, so it may seem hollow, brutal and wasteful to them. And it would be if the meat just became garbage and didn't benefit anyone. How is the meat distributed after wards? This should be highlighted in the narrative of modern-day kaporos.
(9/17/2010 12:06:12 PM)
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