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To #39
September 7, 2010 4:45 pm

The Rov you probably called was Rabbi osboda. the reason he called you back 24-36 hours later is because he is a part time Rov

Rabbi Braun will be a full time Rov because that’s the deal this time (Rabbi schwei had the same deal) according to the Psak so there is no need to worry

to #2
September 7, 2010 3:38 pm

from what you write I can see that you lack in reading and undersstanding of what you read, so before you write anything try to understand what is being said etc.
with regards to the Hashgocho, how can you conpare the OK with a community Hasgocho. so if you want to help don’t be cheap and pay up, thenn maybe you will be heard.

i agree
September 7, 2010 2:59 pm

180 is not allot to ask for
you can also give less but please give something

Rabbi Braun
September 7, 2010 2:30 pm

by the amt of answers you could see how much everyone cares we should all have a good year blessed with peace and contentment, Hashem should give us the ability and the will to work together for the bettermnet of the whole

To #4 & #32
September 7, 2010 1:04 pm

The Money is also going to Rabbi Schwei, and Rabbi Osdoba.

I Agree with #35 and #24 and #23
September 7, 2010 12:41 pm
Elki
September 7, 2010 12:40 pm

Sorry, I stick to my principle. No comment on the content, but an op-ed to which the writer won’t sign his or her name says nothing, A writer who’s sure of himself should be able to stand up to opposition, if it is elicited.
Kesivah v’Chasimah Tovah to all.

Every Elected Rav is Our EMPLOYEE and must follow the rules of his signed contract
September 7, 2010 12:38 pm

When a Rav is elected, he is not yet Rav. Rabbi Chanzin was elected and he was NEVER hired. Certainly Rabbi Braun has not yet been “hired” (he WILL be hired after Tishrey but not quite yet). When the Rav is hired, like any employee that’s when the deal starts working and that’s the date he starts getting paid for his work IF HE PUTS IN THE TIME (not if he quits like others have done) – or else he doesn’t deserve to get paid, AL PI HALACHA. A Rav is not G-d. A Rav is an employee of the… Read more »

Rabbi Heller
September 7, 2010 12:30 pm

Rabbi Heller was hired as Rav. At first he used 1/2 of his time in to Kollel which was OK because that was the original contract agreement when he was hired. When a Rav is hired it the exact same din in Choshen Mishpat like any other employee. The Halacha is that whatever DEAL you make up, the Rav M U S T keep, that part of the deal, hours or whatever conditions are written in a CONTRACT WHICH * B I N D S * the Rav to follow his part of the bargain or he may not take… Read more »

pay or not to pay
September 7, 2010 11:49 am

i dont know about you guys – but i am not paying a penny mas hakohol until 2 things happen. 1- i see changes happening in this community and 2- i bring in enough money to be able to support MY whole family including tuition food housing etc. ALL before i think about supporting HIS whole family. I feel this way simply because i have asked this bais din sha’alos a few times and the lack of privacy that was used to cal me back and answer my questions sometimes even 24-36 hrs later was unherd of. where was the… Read more »

Only those who elected him should pay?
September 7, 2010 10:53 am

if you do thiat, you are only causing the machlokes and arguments of him being neholden to one group longer.

Its time to get a life, set our differences aside, and work together for the betterment of our community and for our children.

its a New year, let it be a new begimnning!

To be or not to be
September 7, 2010 6:05 am

Now I’m really confused.
Is this new Rov beholden to anybody or not.

This op-ed is taking us for a ride. After reading it my head was spinning.

WITH ALL THE POLITICS ON THE SIDE.
September 7, 2010 2:00 am

I KNOW THIS ROV, GREAT PERSON. PEOPLE DON’T GET FOOLED, HE IS A FULL ON MESSIANIC!!
TRUST ME.

To 7 & 15
September 7, 2010 1:47 am

You seem to have no idea what a “rov” is. You want an accounting of his “hours”? You want to negotiate a contract with him, etc. If this is what is needed, then this person is not a rov for a community. It is undignified to be talking like that about a community rov. A real rov always gives more of himself than you can possibly imagine. This is not a “9 to 5” job. A rov is on call 24/7, he has the weight of the community on his shoulders. People call him at all hours of the day… Read more »

"Paid his Ticket"???
September 7, 2010 1:04 am

Don’t be silly.

If anyone is willing to have the Mesiras nefesh to move permanently to another country with his entire family and has the mesiras nefesh to put up with the difficulty of being rav of CH, you think “the ticket” is the big deal?

Everything is Hendels Fault?

If it rains tomorrow it will be Hendels fault too?

Who do you think paid for Chaviv’s Ticket? Also Hendel?

valid points
September 7, 2010 12:43 am

the books definitely need to be opened as for a Rav having a part time job? Being A rav in General is a full time job & in this community even more so.It is known that Ra Dvorkin zatza”l started his day @ 5am! & ended late at night.Before asking everyone to pay Mas Hakahal there must be a public din V’cheshbon of the books as for a head of the Vaad Hakashrus why not appoint Chaviv & choose one or two Kolel Yungeleit train them in what they need to know & make sure that they are fully capable… Read more »

350 a year
September 6, 2010 11:53 pm

ppl who voted Rabbi Braun should pay 350 a year
the 894 families who voted Rabbi Bogomilsky and the 64 who voted Rabbi Chaviv, can wait to see if they agree with the Rabbi’s performance and then start supporting 180 until they adjust tax

A thank you message from the Board of Tzemach Tzedek to Rabbi Braun
September 6, 2010 11:47 pm

To the members of the Tzemach Tzedek Community Centre, and to the wider community From the Board of Tzemach Tzedek Community Centre As you have probably read or heard by now, Rabbi Braun was convincingly elected in the voting on Sunday (New York time) to fill the vacant position of the third Rov in the Beis Din of Crown Heights. We feel immensely honoured that our Rabbi Braun was the preferred choice of the people of Crown Heights. They have entrusted him with a big responsibility, and we are confident that he will work tirelessly to continue his shlichus for… Read more »

Wahoo
September 6, 2010 11:34 pm

an unbaised article!

Article Well Written
September 6, 2010 11:32 pm

worth reading too

Rabbi Rosenberg wants to be "Off The Hook"
September 6, 2010 11:07 pm

Rabbi Rosenberg seemed to be in a very huge rush to make a new Vaad Hakohol as quickly as possible and then rushed us Erev Rosh Hashonah to elect a new Rav. Why was he in a such a big rush? The answer is known because Rabbi Rosenberg wants this community (machlokes) headache off his shoulders and over with, to dump it back on our lap for our own vaad and our own 3 Rabbonim, to deal with, all our issues, so that Rosenberg is “Off The Hook”. Only problem is that it can’t work that way because the new… Read more »

MOVE FORWARD
September 6, 2010 11:06 pm

move forward and keep moving. tracht gut vet zein gut.
Achdus. Ahavas Yisrael.
uhhh, these are some words for thought. Hopefully we can implement them, incorporate them into our lives. What a diff. it would make

The fee
September 6, 2010 10:45 pm

I would gladly pay the fee is there was an open book policy, and there was an independent auditor over seeing the books of the va’ad.

Mass Hakohol
September 6, 2010 10:41 pm

The Vaad Hakohol stopped, even asking us, for Mas Hakohol. Because as soon as the Vaad has to ask each individual for money, then this causes each community member to want a finacial Din Vecheshbon and now they become accountable. This is why they stopped asking for money because they couldn’t be accountable without embarrassment. The Vaad figured it’s better not to have the money of Mas hakohol, rather than to have be forced to be accountable. I think Mass Hakohol is a great idea only because this will force the Vaad to answer hard questions, otherwise they don’t get… Read more »

To # 11
September 6, 2010 10:30 pm

The Psak of the Bes Din Zabla cleary mandates that the Rov have no other job and that he dedicates his all for the community, putting into question how Rabbi Bogomilsky’s candidacy was even approved in the first place

Shulchan Aruch doesn’t differentiate between the requirement to pat this tax if he is your candidate or not. If we’re not ready to follow Shulchan Aruch, then what do we need even one Rav for, or do we need someone to rubber stamp our evil actions and make them Kosher?

What about Maaser?!
September 6, 2010 10:23 pm

Halacha rules that Maaser (10% of what you make) is a must for every Jew no mater how much he makes.

I’m sure every one who is eligble to vote in Crown Heights is making more then 1800 a year, if not we forgive you for not giving Mas Hakohal.

In short, Mas Hakohal should be the first place your Masser goes to, then if their is more Maaser then $180 (Which I hope you have) you give the rest to were ever you want (as long as it is Tzdaka)

Mas
September 6, 2010 10:19 pm

Agree on the Mas Hakohol part of this article 100%. People, remember that our Rebbe paid Mas Hakohol.

Whether that will be enough of a salary for all three Rabbonim is another question, and is the responsibility of the Vaad members to handle, but we have to do our part.

The Concept of Maas Hakohol
September 6, 2010 10:17 pm

Responding to # 2 and others

The concept of Maas hakohol is from Shulcan Aruch and was iniited by the Rebbe when CH elected it first Bes Din some twenty years ago

As well, the VAAD stated yesterday that for those who can’t afford it, they will take $15 a month or even $5 or $10 and even offered to go lower for those who truly don’t have the money

mother in ch
September 6, 2010 10:03 pm

A Rov should have a part time job- as if!! A Rov has a 24/7 job. There is a reason that Rav Schwei and Rav Osdoba have their PERSONAL phone numbers listed. The hours in their office are not the only hours they are on duty. No one questions that a doctor should be paid- but a Rav they do. For a Rav there is no such thing as a vacation -period. People even stop them on the street! Yes- we do have problems- people are in the “have or have not” categories as stated. We do need to do… Read more »

to the writer
September 6, 2010 9:49 pm

for some reason i have a feeling if rabbi bagomilsky would of won the elections you would of not have written this oped and not because he has his own salary but for other reasons vd”l

To # 13
September 6, 2010 8:50 pm

I am not the writer of the Op-Ed but will attempt to answer some of your concerns anyway. You are mixing up 2 things which are not necessarily related. 1) There are issues which are strait forth Halacha as you refer to them as “Halachic Judgment”. Certainly such matters will be dealt with as need be on a daily basis with no delay, obviously. 2) Then there are other issues which every rav needs to deal with and that is issues of Machlokes in the community or even machlokes within the Badataz where his role is not to “render halachic… Read more »

Tax Yes!
September 6, 2010 8:40 pm

With representation however, and based on one’s family’s combined income certainly. Could someone give the mekoros for this what i am saying?

help me understand
September 6, 2010 8:38 pm

“If after one year you are unhappy, all you would have invested is $180.00.”

So let me get this. I pay the $180.00 on year number one, of course, providing my information: name, address, etc. Comes year two and I think I got jipped off and I decide not to pay. Whose to say that some people or “groups” won’t decide to publish a list of those that are refusing to pay their “dues” the next year? The only thing this author stated correctly is that “We can’t have our cake and eat it too”.

#7 is Right On!
September 6, 2010 8:30 pm

I think there is a feeling in the community that we are paying a salary and we are being “short changed” in the hours of work we are getting from the Rabbonim. I propose that the Ksav Rabbonus contract between the Rabbonim and the community should be renegotiated and should be 100% linked to the hours they put in in the office and not related to hours they spend at home or otherwise. If a rav says he deserves to get paid for more hours then he spend in the office, because he is also asked questions at home and… Read more »

Why be anonymous
September 6, 2010 8:28 pm

If you feel righteous about what you are saying, and don’t want to be just another commenter, why an anonymous op ed?

Dear Anonymous
September 6, 2010 8:25 pm

Some of your points are valid but most of what you write is total hogwash. Here’s one example of your hogwash “At the same time, he knows that if he pushes too far to appease whose were against him, that he will alienate his core support group and only increase the very machlokes he was elected to hopefully bring peace to. ” In other words, you are saying he is beholden to his core support group! The group he publicly denied knowing who they are. How dare you recommend that this so called peaceful Rabbi make consider the politics before… Read more »

To 4
September 6, 2010 8:20 pm

There is something that begs your comments explanation. You write “Let whomever voted for him pay his salary” is what we did in the past months all in vain? the idea of coming to an agreement that there will be elections is only a good and legitimate one if the results are the way that you wanted and voted?! I’m very sorry to say this to you but you make a mockery of yourself. If you don’t get what you wanted it wasn’t worth it!? Shows that you weren’t looking for right to begin with…. On the topic of maybe… Read more »

The Rov needs a part time job
September 6, 2010 8:14 pm

Who is going to pay the FULL TIME Rov’s salary? He has 11 children, right? He is suppose to be working full time for the Beis Din, right? He has to move and come here…I guess S.B. Drizin will lay out the money, but do you think that will go on forever? Oh try taxing the Jewish residents of CH see where you go with that. With all the division and strife I don’t see much fund raising opportunities here. Bogomilsky would not have these problems. Bottom line, a Rav in CH needs a part time job. Build up the… Read more »

To 2
September 6, 2010 8:04 pm

Already looking for problems, (who cares if his meshichist or not, his there just to help and not to make problems wuth yechi) Hope no more such comments.
But I also agree you have to know a bit more about the mmoney.

A normal Lubavitcher
September 6, 2010 8:00 pm

First thing as we aproach yom hadin we need to realize that waving flags will not bring mosIach.
First one need to act like a mentch, then like a fruma yid, then like a chasid only this will bring mosiach.
Once this is acomplished you can say yechi or whatever your maspia rov recomened

action speaks louder then wodrs
ksiva vachasima tov

mendel
September 6, 2010 7:59 pm

great idea but not everyone has 180.00 people are struggling. even those who are comfortable are busy supporting those who have nothing. For the rich 180.00 is pennies and should give more, I’m not in thier position and cant judge, but I think if 180 doesnt burn a hole in your pocket give that or more. YOU CAN NOT EXPECT EVERYONE TO GIVE

CHK
September 6, 2010 7:54 pm

The writer fails to address how much income does the CHK bring in. The CHK was established for the purpose of bringing in money to help pay the salary of the Badaz. What is “Taxation without representation”? It means that if each one of us has to shell out $180 we deserve to know exactly how the money has been spent until now. How Much Money did each Rov get until now? How much is each Rov’s salary? How many hours does each Rov work per day in the office to answer Shaalos to justify his weekly salary? How much… Read more »

The Real Joe
September 6, 2010 7:39 pm

are you expecting all of the Divorced/widowed women who don’t have a right to vote to also pay this tax are you expecting the 29 year old singles to pay are you expecting teachers and other’s in the community who haven’t been payed in months to pay this tax honestly this money long term is going to have to come from somewhere else maybe the first few years enough people will pay this tax but at a certain point the CHK will have to cough up the cash. also its sad that the pashkivillim from the elections is making the… Read more »

please let us know the buddget
September 6, 2010 7:33 pm

i believe that people would be more inclined to pay the money if they knew the beis dins budget including the ravs salary etc.
people dont want to pay double ex. two offices.

Green Tea
September 6, 2010 7:27 pm

Let whomever voted for him pay his salary.

In the whole world of Lubavitch, couldnt a single Neutral candidate be found?

amen!
September 6, 2010 7:22 pm

More than half of the community has voted in R’ Braun. May we greet Rosh Hashona with a unified Beis Din and unified community!

Huh?
September 6, 2010 7:12 pm

First of all: how do you know that RB has all of these thoughts? 2) What if no one pays the $180.00? Then we have no Beis Din? I say, let them work hard and make a financially strong hashgoch (such as OK) and we wouldn’t need to tax the community. If they can’t get a good name out in the world for hashgocho, how will they get a good name with us? 3) One of the things you said sounds fishy to me. “He must earn his wings before he rallies behind the people who support him”. Are you… Read more »

100% True
September 6, 2010 7:09 pm

We all have to be part of it, and hopefully there wont be anyone who thinks its not right.

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